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Old 11-10-2012, 09:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I wanna tell the world that i'm giving up! (housebreaking)

I just don't know what to do anymore! This guy doesn't seem to get the message and it's driving me and my mom insane. He pees and poos all over the place at all times of the day and we are tired of picking up after him. He is going to be 6 months tomorrow and this is unacceptable. It's only a matter of time before he starts lifting his leg and things get even WORSE!!!

So as some of you may know I have deaf puppy, nevertheless he has been having free roam of the backyard and although I do work and don't see him every day, on my continuous days off when I am not outside with him I am watching over him through the windows, going outside every 5-15 minutes and taking him to the designated area and while he will do so sometimes with the "hurry up do your business command" (particularly when I had a 4 day weekend off this was going well) it seems that whenever I take my eyes off him (whether its at night or to go throw away something or w/e) he eliminates in those 15 SECONDS!!! on the balcony or wherever he is at and I can't really do anything anymore since I don't catch him. (although I have been getting frustrated enough and inch his face towards it and tell him NO!)

This has been going on since he was a puppy. Although there has been signs of progress at times, he usually ends up reverting back to his free will, whether its because my mom does not keep a constant eye on him or he is just about that life.

As a puppy when I would spray the training aid spray on the designated spot he would just start licking the spot!!(UGH!!!) and I would have to wait on him up to an hour at times for him to finally eliminate (on a leash or just blocking him in the area with my body) and I will praise him with a thumbs up/give him a treat when done correctly or allow him to go inside and lay on his inside bed futon with toys.

Now as some of you may remember me talking about his zoomies, this does not help the cause! He zoomies very often at all times of the day/night and sometimes in the middle of his zoomies he will just stop and eliminate so I don't even know what his hints are anymore. Sometimes he will begin sniffing the ground and I will take him and he will do it, other times he won't (sometimes he finds kibble on the ground so maybe hes just hungry?)

I feed him two times a day and he poos atleast 7 times a day and pees even more often (he drinks a lot of water) It's driving me crazy to the point that whenever I catch him in the middle of it I now use the strictest no! (getting in his face and shaking head/finger) and grab him by the collar and tie him up to a leash in the designated area and put him on time out for a few minutes. I feel like even he knows what hes doing wrong as whenever I catch him and start grabbing him he just starts jogging/kinda pulling me towards the leash area and stops next to the leash as if he knows whats next. This drives me even more mad because he knows the process. It's like in his mind he is thinking "if being tied up for a few minutes is the price I have to pay for eliminating everywhere I want, so be it!" When he is tied up he does not eliminate even when I give him the commands (always had a hard time with him going on the leash) he just stands there looking at me with a sad face and or sits down/tries to nap and when I go to untie him he starts licking my hand. After I untie him, sometimes I'll keep him confined in the area with my body and give him the command and he will do so, but most of the time he just sits there looking at me like he doesn't know what I expect from him. I know he can and does hold it in for long periods of time since he has been left tied up for longer than usual a few times and still didn't eliminate right after being being let loose.

It doesn't help that we rescued a 2 gear old german shepherd bitch a few weeks ago. We just had her neutered and although she is still familiarizing, she eliminates on or very close to the designated area(which we don't mind, cause atleast its close, unlike the balcony which is at the other side of the backyard!!) we don't even catch her in action or even had to train her, she just kinda does so on her own there upon her free will
(Why can't this guy follow?!). All of our other previous dogs have use that area as their elimination section as well and we did not have a hard time training them at all, they usually just did so on their own after a while. This guy on the other hand has been a total pain in the ass and the hardest dog i've ever had to potty train. At this point i'm so frustrated I don't even spend the usual amount of time to train him properly anymore cause I spend all my focusing on potty training. I'm afraid that he has either forgotten bang bang or just refuses to do it now that he is older.

Just Thursday he particularly angered me when he was on the balcony and I started instructing him to go to the designated area and as he started doing so, son of a gun just stopped in his tracks and started peeing in front of me. He even tried to resist me pulling him from his leash to the spot, that got me so heated!! To make things worse he has been barking at the german shepherd when we pet her, tries to be possessive of both dog houses that the german shepherd doesn't even bother trying to get in either of them now, starts eating at her food when he is out of his(since she often ignores her kibble for a while before she eats it) and has started humping the german shepherd (she is pretty quiet/reserved and either she enjoys it or just does not growl at him to get him off) he even ended up getting his privates suck on hers! grrr. I haven't seen him since Friday but I will be back with him later today and be with him until Sunday night. If anyone has any particular suggestions other than the usual schedule routine (not only will I have a hard time to get my mom to adhere to it, but this guy is very inconsistent himself. He naps at random times and eats more or less around the same time (morning and evening) but not exactly.

I am to the point I am ready to try the 7 day confinement method (the one where you have him crated for a whole week and only take him out to eat/eliminate) I do not want to resort to this, but If I have to in order to give mom and myself a break and get this guy to keep his end of the bargain, I will. We treat him like a king and for him to not be able to do atleast this bit is very discouraging.

Sorry for the long read but I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Frustration has gotten the best of me as of lately, especially when the thought of him squatting everywhere just crosses my mind. Any questions/suggestions/ideas/concerns welcomed. Thanks in advance.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I am kind of confused. Does he stay outside all of the time? Does he always go to the bathroom outside, just not in the designated areas?

You talk about how he has the zoomies too much. What activities do you do with him? Do you walk him or take him to obedience class? Does he get the zoomies by himself or just with you?

As for the amount of stools, what kind of food are you feeding him? That sounds like way too much to me.

Some other notes. Don't let him eat the girls food. Separate them during feeding time if you must. Please protect her from him trying to mate with her. I really don't think she allows it because she likes it. Sounds kinda miserable for her right now.
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Did you rule out any medical issues? Such as a bladder infection?

This sounds very frustrating and I feel for you.
One recommendation that I could make is really go over the top with your praise when he does go in the right spot. Have a game of tug or play with him so he really knows that whenever he does it in the right place it's very very rewarding. He could also be picking up on your frustration and feeling that it's not okay to go when you are around if you are getting angry with him.

I agree with looking into his food as well be because that's a lot of bathroom breaks.

Hope you find some other suggestions as well.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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My honest suggestion is to give your dog to a rescue that can properly care for his needs. Then perhaps he will end up in a home where he actually treated like a king, rather than left outside to his own devices and then punished for doing what dogs do.
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It sounds like he eliminates an unsettling amount of times per day. Has he been to the vet? What are you feeding him?

Arguably, he does not in fact know that "what he's doing is wrong". When a dog is punished like that (pushing his face near it and telling him no), that connects his elimination to your anger, and he would rather hide than do it in your view.

I would rule out a medical cause first, with what you're describing. At 6 months, my Elka wasn't fully housebroken, but that was my fault, not hers. And she has never to my knowledge pooped 7 times a day unless she was ill.

Also, if he's deaf, how are you telling him "no?"
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He is outside most of the time and has been sleeping in his dog house as the weather has been very seasonable. It has been starting to rain however, so I will be allowing him in the house more, I just want him to get used to doing in his designated area before he is given free full roam of the house. He does always eliminate outside, just everywhere so I did mess up by using the term "housebreaking." He gets zoomies all the time on his own and with excitement. He can just be walking around and zoom, he starts darting around the backyard at full speed, whenever someone he hasnt seen in a while greets him, coming back from walks, or when we are giving more attention to the shepherd, in the middle of training. He eats kirkland puppy chicken rice and vegetable kibble but I will be moving him to blue buffalo adult kibble pretty soon. I mix it up and give him servings of white rice and chicken with matchstick carrots every now and then and this either clogs him up for a while (does once or twice a day at most and really solid due to the carrots)

I take him on walks, play fetch, chase him around and play tag (i touch his tail as a you're it) and when the time is right I'll take him with me to the pet store for some new treats/chew toys. Lately the first and latter haven't been happening since I moved him to the other house since there are a lot of stray dogs looking for trouble and some pet stores aren't so pet friendly. I'll resume once I can get him to do his deed consistently in the right area

I do separate them with a gate when its feeding time but as I said, sometimes the german shepherd won't touch her food till later and someone ends up opening the gate and he'll start eating away later on when he gets hungry, but for the most part I am able to stop him. The vet said there was nothing unusual to report beside his deafness and head tilt, he was a very normal happy dog, but they've yet to see him in his natural habitat(home) zooming around everywhere and making funny barks at inanimate objects, lol. He really likes tug of war so I'll try that more often but I stopped because he had began to growl a little bit and I heard this was a sign of being possessive and not good at this young age.

and to the most "honest suggestion" hurr durr, i'm going to take him to nonexistent shelters in mexico where he'll be sure to join the club of the hundreds of thousands stray dogs roaming the streets starving themselves to death or be euthanized on the spot/after a week simply for his deaf disability. Try training a deaf dog first and then see me and maybe i'll take you up on that.
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I think you are not equipped to deal with a deaf dog...sorry for saying so.

Other than that if he's eliminating 7 times a day I think you are probably feeding him to much food. What and how much are you feeding him??

Does anyone know if there is a forum out there for deaf dogs where he can get some help?
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I tell him a gentle no by shaking my index finger, and the more severe NO! consists of me lifting him up slightly from his collar, getting in his face, cutting eye contact while shaking my head and finger mouthing NO!, as I learned from a few deaf dog sites/books. Good is a simple thumbs up, I give him an OK sign after I untie him to release him and let him know he is good to go and everything else is just my consistent made up hand signals for wait, watch me, down, go over there, etc.

I know its really not ok to be inching his face towards his waste but I only do it as a replacement for not catching him in action when he manages to eliminate in those 15 seconds im not watching him AND he does it on the balcony. It's really been used as a desperation method/last resort just trying anything until hopefully something works or makes him click. I heard from a family friend that is the method he used to get his dogs to know it wasnt ok to eliminate there, except he would rub their noses on the actual waste, dont think I could find it in myself to do that though. Keep the GOOD suggestions coming, I appreciate it. Thanks!
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I don't know if this is helpful or not (I haven't researched training a deaf dog thoroughly, only seen some ideas various places that I thought were nifty), but apparently there's a DeafDogs.org, which you may have already visited at length, and in their training section, there's a page on Crate Training and House Training. I wonder if his having free reign of the backyard is what reinforces in his head that eliminating just kind of wherever is all right?
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aack, i did NOT intend to hit the "thanks" button.

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I heard from a family friend that is the method he used to get his dogs to know it wasnt ok to eliminate there, except he would rub their noses on the actual waste
this is old school behavior training, and everything i've read says it does not work. why is your dog kept outside most of the time?
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You sound angry and frustrated, for sure, but I'm not sure if I'm really reading your posts correctly--if what I'm reading matches what you are saying, it does sound as if you and your dog are not the best match for each other.

Your problem is not that he is going to the bathroom in the house, but that he is not going in the "right" place out in your yard?

And he's going on your balcony?

I would just not not let him out on the balcony, at least for a month or two, and loosen up on my requirement that he go in a certain place in the yard, so long as he is actually going in the yard and not the house.



I also don't like the sound of it when you say he is mostly in the yard and that you don't even see him every day (because of work), and that when you are home you are watching him through the window.

Could you maybe give us a brief schedule of his day-to-day life so we could maybe pinpoint what piece of your dog's pottying/lifestyle routine is the problem?
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I can't help but to laugh at all the, excuse my rudeness "kiss-asses" thanking the ignorant suggestions. Sure I didn't think I was fit enough to raise a deaf dog either, do you think I purposely picked out the deaf one? Of course I didn't but rather than give up on him or have him euthanized as some of you cold hearted suckers would no doubt not even think twice of doing because he is not "standard to the holy doberman breed", I decided to give it a shot at raising him, and for the most part I think I'm doing all right. Sure I may not have the time to dedicate as much as I'd like, but I am only 19, a student, and a part time worker dealing with a dog with disabilities and an uncooperative mother who does not listen to what I tell her to do to make things easier for him. Putting that aside, there is a video I posted here of a quick training session I had with him using hand signals only (dohhh) at four months, it consisted of him sitting, waiting, making eye contact with him, going down, playing dead and waiting for an OK command to release him from this position. Not to take a shot at anyone but something I'm sure a lot of you couldn't get done by that age (4 months), without special training/help/obedience classes. I'm not even going to bother and take time to repost, if you're not as ignorant as you got me thinking, maybe you can find it on your own. So thats that. I understand this is a community and some of you have been here for a long time hence stick together like pack animals but there is no need to be so ignorant. Cause I can't potty train him to a designated spot by 6 months i'm unfit to own a deaf dog? OK good logic there chief, but anyways i'm done with that. Any future unhelpful "suggestions" will just be given the cold shoulder treatment from now on.

So enough of that, I feed him 1.5 cups of kibble two times a day, morning and evening and plus whatever treats he gets or adult kibble he manages to pick off the adult dogs meal when I'm not watching him(really isn't that much). Ginger, I have checked out those websites a while ago and they have been pretty helpful. I did use the crate training guide when he was smaller and I would take him out at night in that same designated spot since he was 8 weeks and thats particularly the time I was referring to when I had to wait up to an hour for him to potty on his leash in that area.

P.S: per your own request, if hjgrl's post gets 20 thank yous and he is still not potty trained accordingly in a months time, I will take him to a shelter here in Mexico where he will no doubt be euthanized shortly after they find out he is deaf or just left to roam the streets until someone either picks him up for being a doberman or he is starved to death. Is this what you wanted? Well you asked for it and I will comply.

As I said, helpful suggestions still welcome, anyone else piss off.
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Your info says you are in San Diego. I am sure there are some west coast rescues that you could contact. It's not an "either he stays with me living in the yard or death" situation. He's a puppy, he can probably easily find a more appropriate placement. No one was trying to insult you. This is a dog forum, hence we are interested in the dog's well being
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Please stop getting defensive and hurling insults at people whom you have asked for their help and opinions. You have taken on some huge responsibilities in your situation and a puppy of all things should really not be living or staying outside. Take a breath or 12 and re-evaluate your situation. Dogs are not disposable and yadda yadda yadda, but you also need to do what is best for you and the dog. An adult rescue Doberman probably would have been very ideal for your situation. I bought a Siberian husky puppy when I was 19 and out on my own for the first time. I raised that puppy in an apartment and had a job(luckily part time). That experience was HELL. I raised my second puppy(Doberman) when I was older, wiser, and had more experience and it was a much better experience. It was still a TON of work and my boyfriend at the time fought with me a lot over the Doberman and said I took better care of puppy than him and spend more time with him. The thing is I CHOSE to bring a WORKING breed puppy into my life and that meant no social life and constant socialization/play/training time to ensure my puppy had the best foundation and start in life and grew up the right way. I would never pitch a Doberman puppy outside and spend little time with it...those are the kinds of dogs that end up in rescue and become my and many other volunteer's problem.

I am no longer with that boyfriend by the way and I have a well behaved, stable, and obedient Doberman

Many of us have been there done that or have seen others go through the same situation you have and are sincerely trying to help you. You're getting defensive because it's probably not what you want to hear. We are here to educate and help for the welfare of the breed and their best interest, period. Responsible puppy owners rearrange their life schedule around their puppy's needs, not the other way around. So "enough" of your attitude.

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I'm confused - if he's always outside, is he just having accidents on the patio? I think it would be harder for him to learn how to be housetrained when he's rarely inside.... Not trying to push buttons, but truly think I missed something here.

I'm sure you've heard here that Dobermans are meant to be inside dogs with their owners. They're not very well suited for outdoor life and were bred to be personal protectors, not perimeter dogs. It's great how you've done some training with him, but he needs more than that. Does he get exercise outside of the yard on a daily basis?
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If I understand the situation correctly, and I may not, he is outside the bulk of the time, and you aren't with him? How is he supposed to "know" where you want him to go? Every time he potties and you aren't around to either correct or praise, he's just using the bathroom. He has no idea that's the right or wrong spot.

No one here can change that fact for you.
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Without more structure, this situation is not going to get better. If he knew what you wanted, he would do it. He's not deliberately trying to piss you off, he clearly doesn't understand. As his trainer, you need to take responsibility for his lack of understanding and consistently try something that you haven't tried yet.

Behaviorally, you need to treat him like the puppy he is and limit his opportunities to make mistakes. You need to physically confine him either with you on leash, or crated or in an exercise pen so that he does not have the opportunity to eliminate other than when you're directly there. Get him on a schedule that is consistent: first thing in the morning you _take him_ to the spot that you want him to eliminate in and you _stay with him_ there until he does. Reward and treat appropriately. If he does not eliminate in that time frame then he is back on leash with you or confined until you try again together in half an hour or so.

This will take time to fix. You're starting from less than scratch as you build up the desired behaviour that you want to have happen, as you've now allowed an undesirable (to you) habit of allowing him to eliminate freely to happen for his entire 6 months of life. I realize this wasn't your intention, but it is the reality of the situation.

Also, make sure you're cleaning the spots that he tends to use in the house with nature's miracle, or another enzyme cleaner which will eliminate the odor of pee and poop totally, so he's not attracted to those spots he's viewing as a toilet right now.

Medically, you need to get him fully vet checked to ensure he is healthy and there is no bladder or other issues interfering with his ability to eliminate appropriately.

It really doesn't sound like either of you are happy in the current situation. Unless you put a lot more effort into the training and structure of his life than you are right now things are only going to get worse as he his adolescence shortly. Dobermans are not an easy breed to own when they are healthy adults. You have a young, deaf puppy who has lived with minimal structure his entire life. My advice would be to find assistance in your area in the form of a trainer, or do as the previous posters suggested and look for ways to re home him with a rescue society which as you don't seem to understand, is different than the local pound or humane society. If you google Doberman Rescue, you should be able to find numerous societies that could possibly be of support to you.
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You sound angry and frustrated, for sure, but I'm not sure if I'm really reading your posts correctly--if what I'm reading matches what you are saying, it does sound as if you and your dog are not the best match for each other.

Your problem is not that he is going to the bathroom in the house, but that he is not going in the "right" place out in your yard?

And he's going on your balcony?

I would just not not let him out on the balcony, at least for a month or two, and loosen up on my requirement that he go in a certain place in the yard, so long as he is actually going in the yard and not the house.



I also don't like the sound of it when you say he is mostly in the yard and that you don't even see him every day (because of work), and that when you are home you are watching him through the window.

Could you maybe give us a brief schedule of his day-to-day life so we could maybe pinpoint what piece of your dog's pottying/lifestyle routine is the problem?
As I did state, I am frustrated at this point because I have been at it for a few months now and my mom is getting the short end of the stick as she has to pick up after him so many times a day everyday for these past few months and she isn't exactly young and tender as I am. More frustated I get because it seems like we're having progress (like the day I was with him together for 4 days) and hes doing it on command on the designated spot, but when I go inside or take my eyes off him for a few seconds he feels its OK to eliminate everywhere else.

It's not so much him eliminating everywhere that bothers me but on the balcony. I just realized I made it sound as I scold him heavily every time if its not on the "Designated spot" this isn't the case. The only time I really adhere to inching him towards it or pulling him by force to tie him up is when he does it on the balcony or very far away from the designated area. When he does it anywhere near the 60 yards of the rear part of the backyard I let him finish while doing the potty hand signal and let him walk away and clean it without a word. When he gets closer to the area I give him a thumbs up, sometimes light praise. When he goes in the designated area is when I give him treats, high praise, and allow him to spend a huge portion of his day inside. It is only when he eliminates really far away from the designated area/near the balcony area that I resort to telling him NO in mid potty and then give him a time out.

It is not really a balcony but just a little higher ground big space where you get up there by going up two steps and it is about a 30 yard area where you can stare off into the street and it is blocked off so they can't jump off. I am outside with him for quite some time and when im not outside and doing other stuff like washing dishes etc it is then when I make sure I can watch him through the window. When I go watch TV or play games/read whatever I allow him in to chill in his futon and play with his toys/iced water bottle wrapped in an old sock as someone here recommended. I'll take note of his day to day basis this weekend. What are you looking for in particular? How many zoomies he has a day/between what time he eliminated/was fed/ i play with him? Let me know. Thanks and I do care for this dog and he is a very good companion, almost a velcro dog but with a mind of his own. Have a "come if you want"(come here sign) command and "come right now" (wave arms in air and then open up as if to give a hug) commands for him.
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There is no need to be rude. I think the first step would be to take him to the vet. I have had a dog that kept eliminating and somehow couldn't grasp the basics of toilet training by 6 months and in the end it turned out that she had tumours and kidney failure. I had to make the difficult decision to put her down. Be sure that no health issues are causing this behaviour, otherwise training will more or less be futile.

Having lived in Mexico the last year and a half, and been involved in rescuing cats while I was there, I just want to add a few things... please understand that in Mexico:

- Most of the products you recommend are not available and cannot be imported (they will be confiscated by customs)
- There's no such thing as a Dobermann or any other kind of purebred rescue or society. In fact...
- There is no such thing as a rescue or 'shelter'. There are only rabies control centers where stray dogs are taken and euthanized within a week if they don't find a home. There are some people who "rescue" but many of them are hoarders and have no experience whatsoever with training dogs etc.
- It is hard to find a good vet, and if you yourself don't know which tests to ask for, they will most likely send you off with some random prescription in the hope that it works out in the end.

Good luck.

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I'm just going to ignore your last post about us all ganging up on you etc. And I still stand by what i said about you not being equipped to handle a deaf pup. Personally based on your situation in regards to you working, having very little support from your mother, that probably ANY dog would not have been ideal. But what is done, is done.

You only answered part of my question about the food, what are you feeding him?? Obviously either he is stealing more than you think from the other dogs or what you are feeding him he is not digesting well. Feeding the other dogs in their crates would stop your pup from stealing others food...pretty simple really.
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I am not insulting anyone or getting defensive if I do say myself. I am calling it how it is and I've seen it happen in many other threads. Some people are just really ignorant and don't bother to see both sides of the coin. Instead they just jump to the conclusion that the dog itself is being treated like ass and in their "right" minds their first and only suggestion to come out of their HIGHLY EDUCATED brains is "rehome him, give him away" and then comes everyone else to show their "Support" with meaningless "thank yous" instead of taking the time to explain their point of views or even reply adequately, they just hop on the bandwagon. Off the top of my head was this one topic where someone adopted a red bitch from a "doctor" and she was showing signs of aggression. Everyone suggested she was a lost cause and give her away to a shelter, to not even bother trying to see if she could correct the issue with some time. She opted to keep her and give it a chance which I praise, but instead of everyone giving her various suggestions to TRY before REHOMING, everyone opted to say rehome as the first choice, and that is my issue with many heads here. I am butting heads on purpose or anything, I just hope you all have the mental capability to know where I am coming from. If you do great, if you don't, go figure.

As teacherspet mentioned, try something new in hopes of it succeeding is what I came here for. Not just to hear the last resort "rehome him" so suddenly which some of you reply to every thread out of second nature. You know who you are, and in my mind you are no different than those individuals who think all pitbulls are attack dogs and fearsome creatures, disregarding their individual personalities and traits/characteristics. This is particularly why I was hesitant to post here in the first place, because I knew I would probably get half the members against me for stating my particular case. This is supposed to be friendly forum to help other members and provide meaningful help, but instead, whether you are realizing it or not, are steering many newcomers away with your knuckle headed thinking, if i do say myself. Am I wrong?

On to the main topic, I do clean his accidents on the balcony by scrubbing it with powder soap with a hard broom and then go over it with some mr.clean and a mob, is this not good enough? When he does in the designated area I tend to leave it there for quite some time so he knows that is the hotspot.

I mentioned in my introduction topic how I was thrust into this situation almost unwillingly. Our previous dog passed away and this guy came along, shall I have had a say in getting him, obviously I would have passed given my certain time constriction, but instead I decided to make the most out of nothing and took a semester off of school so I could spend more time with him in hopes of developing him into atleast a portion of the intelligent creature he can be. Obviously its still not enough time the amount i'm able to direct to him, but lets ignore all the good things and feats i've achieved so far given my certain circumstances and focus on how terrible of a trainer/person I am because I can't get him to eliminate in a specific area, right? Some of you need to acquire the ability to put yourself in other persons shoes, at least mentally, or even in their state of mind. I guarantee you you'll come out a better person in the end because of that. Keep it coming.
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Have you considered letting him live inside and crate training him?
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Let's see--what I'm interested in knowing about his schedule--

Very roughly, hour by hour--maybe do a particular day with a typical schedule so you are writing down what you are actually seeing happen instead of what you think you remember--record very very briefly, one or two words when you can.

When does he get fed; is his food always down or is he fed at certain times; when and where does he poop and pee and how often (fairly specific here--frustration can make for exaggeration )

When and for how long are you out there; what the dog does in terms of pottying when you are there; what you do to guide him (leash, push, encourage, don't notice--sorta like that); how he responds to your guidance

Oh--you may have said this but I can't remember--are his poops are solid and formed or are they sometimes soft or soupy? Do they have an extremely offensive odor (or do they just smell like poop) What color are they? How big are they (I have one dog who poops more often than the other, but each one is smaller--I think the daily amount is actually about the same) Some of those symptoms could lead you to think that the dog has a physical illness which might need a vet check, some might point toward needing a different food, some may be this dog's idiosyncrasies)


As far as pee goes--do you ever see him dribble as he's walking, without seeming to know that he is going; does he wake up wet; does he try to pee without producing anything--those could be signs of a bladder infection. Not as common with male dogs, and unlikely if you are also having trouble with pooping too, but you never know.



One problem I'm seeing is that when you're there, you enforce him going to a certain spot, but you can't enforce that when you're not there (which probably ends up being the majority of the time) Every time he goes in the wrong place, he is basically learning that it is OK to go there.

It does seem that if you can get the poops down to a smaller frequency, a lot of this bother would solve itself--if you only have to pick up one or two a day, it's not nearly as annoying. Do you have a pooper scooper (a flat shovel-like scoop on a long handle with another long handled piece to push poop onto scoop)? It makes picking up a lot easier and therefore less annoying.
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If you don't think you're being rude, insulting, or defensive then you are totally jaded, dude and you're playing the victim. I'd say your behavior is border-line dog house worthy.
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If he normally has the runs, then he probably can't control where he goes. If the rice that you give him helps, you may find that a different food would be a better choice. (What about pumpkin? That tends to add fibre & also helps solidify.)
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