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Old 11-11-2012, 12:58 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Just suck it the fudge up and pick up this poop.... in the mean time look for a reputable rescue and I will DRIVE TO MEXICO AND PICK THE DOG UP TO TRANSPORT IT.
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I wish you would have done some reading about the breed before you got your puppy. These dogs NEED to live inside! Even in San Diego. They need to feel they are part of a family unit....not a "yard dog." I think you should either find a trainer or a behaviorist that has experience with deaf dogs or give him to a rescue. Sorry but you are being unfair to him....he deserves a better life than what he has now!

And please do not take any training advice from Jayda+Bronson....what she is doing in unacceptable!
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So as some of you may know I have deaf puppy, nevertheless he has been having free roam of the backyard and although I do work and don't see him every day, on my continuous days off when I am not outside with him I am watching over him through the windows, going outside every 5-15 minutes and taking him to the designated area and while he will do so sometimes with the "hurry up do your business command" (particularly when I had a 4 day weekend off this was going well) it seems that whenever I take my eyes off him (whether its at night or to go throw away something or w/e) he eliminates in those 15 SECONDS!!! on the balcony or wherever he is at and I can't really do anything anymore since I don't catch him. (although I have been getting frustrated enough and inch his face towards it and tell him NO!)
Based on your very first post, the issue is that you don't have enough time to spend with him. Think about it, he did particularly well when you had a 4 day weekend, why is that? Perhaps you had time to monitor him, work with him, etc and in turn he started to catch on.

Training takes time, commitment, and patience. Think about how YOU feel when you're learning something brand new, would you like someone yelling at you, sticking your nose close to poo, or whatever other crazy trick your trainer comes up with. People that do these types of things are very poor trainers, they do these things because they can't figure out a better way to 'teach' what is wanted, so very sad for the dog. I've trained a lot of dogs, and housetraining is one of the easiest things to train IF the human does their part; no need to put their noses any where close to poo. Dobermans aren't out to make a human's life miserable, they're just trying to figure out the rules for living with their human. Give them guidance, patience, and consistency, and they will give their life for you.

It's probably best that you find a rescue that will take him, it seems that the timing is wrong for having him (the timing is really wrong to have any dog, why do people want a dog that they seldom spend time with, I just don't get that). I hope you'll do the right thing and locate a rescue in San Diego to find him an appropriate home.

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wow...I just read through all of this. I am new to the doberman scene but I can say that housetraining is a pain in the butt at times but it's not rocket science.

So, you want the puppy to potty in a certian area in the yard? But he is allowed full reign of the yard? He is outside most of the time with minimal to no supervision? (you said sometimes you look through the windows) Yet, you want him to only go in a certian "area"

I don't see why going to the bathroom outside anywhere in the yard is an issue. If you take the time once or twice a day to pick up after your dog it will take you no more than 2-5 minutes. You said your mom was too frail to be picking up dog waste in the yard? Then GET OFF YOUR LAZY BUTT AND PICK IT UP YOURSELF! Your mother isn't the one who agreed to take care of this puppy, YOU brought it home and said you would train/take care of it (which INCLUDES picking up poo) Expecially if you are trying to "sell" your mom on keeping him like you said, shouldn't you be trying to show her your responsability by cleaning up after your puppy?

I'm almost certian the dog does not understand what you want him to do or where you want him to do it. Try placing baby gates up so he cannot access the patio of you are worried about him soiling that area.

You said you were thrusted into the situation "unwillingly"...what exactly does that mean? (excuse me if I missed this part of the conversation) But, you don't HAVE to take a puppy. did someone come to you and say if you don't take this puppy I will shoot you? If not, I don't understand exactly WHY you just HAD to have this puppy.
holy **** the ignorance just continues!!! I really can't believe it. I couldn't help but to smile after reading an unused method by PatchesMom that I will give a try, but seems like the rest of you just wanna continue on your high horse and not get off the tip. I keep hearing what I never said and it used against me. I am sorry but this is clearly ignorance at its best. People like this dude just ain't reading or listening to me. I clearly said I spend a huge amount of time when I am there outside with him and on the rare times I am not I make sure I can keep an eye on him from the window and all of a sudden this gets translated into me giving him MINIMAL time and ONCE EVERY BLUE MOON looking out the window? Mannnnn I am amazed, I really thought about the shelter idea but now its clear to me that some of you just dont read/understand the big picture, you all just hop onto the shelter bandwagon. Which makes me realize its not in your best interest to please me by providing useful suggestions. I though there was no other method other then crating and all of a sudden PatchesMom comes in with a different method, hahahha pathetic. Also I love how i'm also not educated enough to own a doberman or know nothing of the breed, when I clearly stated how I've read through various breed specific and deaf dog sites and books including every little section about the breed on this site before I even got him and even flipping through threads in this rather peculiar forum.

If he was scared to eliminate in front of me he wouldn't do so at all when I take him to the designated spot. So that is not it. Stop it. I also clearly stated I only stop him in mid potty and tell him a firm NO when it is done on the balcony. I didn't say my mother was frail, thanks for jumping to that conclusion, also hold on, let me pick up his waste for her cause its my responsibility while I am 30 miles away, oh almost done, let me just stretch out my super flexible hand. Ahh, there it is. nice and clean. I didnt bring him home, I only assumed the role as the primary taker as no one else would have as the decision to take him in was already made (once again not by me) and he would be in much worse/untrained condition if I hadn't, once again thanks for ignoring that insignificant bit. If I didn't know any better I would just conclude that some people have some sort of illness enabling them to only read what they wanna read and interpret it however they feel like and make me come out the horrible culprit that I clearly am for posting here asking for suggestions on how to go about educating him appropriately given my certain case. As I mentioned before, some of you just really need to find something better to do, like walk around your neighborhood and roam the city in search of abused dogs, rather than focusing all your hate an energy on an individual who is trying his best to deal with a deaf dog.

There is a gate separating the balcony area from the rear area which I use to separate them during feeding time and near his potty time, but It can't be kept closed at all times because as I also clearly mentioned, the german shepherd bitch needs to go to the rear end of the backyard and eliminate by the designated spot ON HER OWN. Once again thank you for taking the time to not not read carefully and understand where I am coming from. Other training methods available as that suggested by PatchesMom are still welcomed and will be commented on, unlike the rest of some of these "illiterate"(that may not be the word im looking for, but its got me thinking.) users. He has the runs every now and then, they are not consistent, however. I will still post a general outline of his schedule when it is finished. Thanks

P.S: One important bit, I stated that when I am not looking at him for 15 seconds he eliminates. This is not a matter of him not watching me look at him and choosing to eliminate. It is just random timing. When I can see him through the window, he can't see me most of the time. It is just his timing happens to be flawless? When I was washing the dishes watching him in the balcony, he was just sitting, I decide to walk to the trash can 10 seconds away and throw something away and I go back and look through the window and there is feces there. Once again, he did not know I was looking at him. Just his personal choice, also; why did everyone no one address how I mentioned that he just stopped and started peeing in front of me when I was walking him to the designated area. Once again my fault like everything else, surely?

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Old 11-11-2012, 04:30 PM   #80 (permalink)
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If you have read on this breed you would have learned that these dogs belong in the home so that they can bond with their family. If you are unable to do this then the pup needs to be re homed so that he isn't destined to be a backyard dog. Not a great life for a Doberman. Watching from the inside well that means nothing.

If your dog has the runs, whether its every now and then or often, he needs to be see by a vet to ensure there are no medical issues. A pup shouldn't be eliminating as much as you have stated.

All I can pray is that you get off your high horse and do what's best for this pup.
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can i ask a very, VERY simple question without you spewing vitriol all over the place?

does this dog get any indoor time, or is he simply an outdoor dog? i may have missed it in all the nastiness. i really am curious about it.

if he is simply an outdoor dog...why isn't he allowed indoors? if he is allowed indoors, please excuse me, as i am just trying to understand. you're being incredibly defensive, and it's really preventing us from seeing EXACTLY what your situation is.

i'd also like to suggest stepping away from the computer for 24 hours, not thinking about this thread, and doing something else entirely. your anger is compounding itself and you're lashing out - while your frustration is understandable, and people *can* come off a bit strong, the insults you're throwing are not helping the situation at all.
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Clearly...you just don't need to own any dog, let alone a doberman. I read everything you said and understood it correctly. and...by he way..."this dude" is a girl, thank you.

If you don't have the time, the dog doesn't even live with you, you need to find something better for him. clearly, if you live 30 miles away while you are visiting "your" dog, you should clean up the poop.

What makes you think he would be in a worse situation if you didnt "take" him? do you think you're the only one capable of owning and successfully training a deaf puppy? (which CLEARLY you are NOT capable of) Get off YOUR high horse and sit back and THINK!

I truely feel bad for this puppy. let him go to a rescue where they will have time to train and love him. because you abviously do not.

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Old 11-11-2012, 04:42 PM   #83 (permalink)
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can i ask a very, VERY simple question without you spewing vitriol all over the place?

does this dog get any indoor time, or is he simply an outdoor dog? i may have missed it in all the nastiness. i really am curious about it.

if he is simply an outdoor dog...why isn't he allowed indoors? if he is allowed indoors, please excuse me, as i am just trying to understand. you're being incredibly defensive, and it's really preventing us from seeing EXACTLY what your situation is.

i'd also like to suggest stepping away from the computer for 24 hours, not thinking about this thread, and doing something else entirely. your anger is compounding itself and you're lashing out - while your frustration is understandable, and people *can* come off a bit strong, the insults you're throwing are not helping the situation at all.
He is allowed indoor time every now and then, particularly when I am watching TV/reading, I do plan on making him indoors more frequently but as I did state, I want to make sure he has the part of going in the designated area down while he is outside, then I will move him inside and have him alert me when he needs to go outside AND does in the designated area.

Rallypup, you're a lost cause. I pick up after him when I am there. Something you clearly didn't read, AGAIN. You have now proved to me you don't like/want to read what is being said. Thanks for your interested in this thread, bye.
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What is keeping you from contacting the Doberman Rescue I suggested?

Please do the best thing for him. He needs to live with someone who has the experience, time and patience to work with special needs dogs.

Here is the link. Again.

Aztec Doberman Rescue Main page
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You are doing this backwards. Bring him inside to live with his family and teach him that "outside" is where he potties. Then focus on the preferred area.

Why is this so important, this one area? Pooper scoop when you get home. I scoop poop daily, sometimes I even miss a day. Its OUTSIDE. It's hardly the end of the world if there is a land mine in the yard for 24 hours.


Not that I actually believe this dog ever was gonna live inside. I mean he has his own house, right? And occasionally gets tied up.
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Do you understand the dog should not be living outside? He is not an "outside" dog! If you can't accommodate his basic needs then.....please place him with a rescue!
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P.S: One important bit, I stated that when I am not looking at him for 15 seconds he eliminates. This is not a matter of him not watching me look at him and choosing to eliminate. It is just random timing. When I can see him through the window, he can't see me most of the time. It is just his timing happens to be flawless? When I was washing the dishes watching him in the balcony, he was just sitting, I decide to walk to the trash can 10 seconds away and throw something away and I go back and look through the window and there is feces there. Once again, he did not know I was looking at him. Just his personal choice, also; why did everyone no one address how I mentioned that he just stopped and started peeing in front of me when I was walking him to the designated area. Once again my fault like everything else, surely?
If he didn't know you were looking at him, then he wouldn't be waiting for you to 'look away' to eliminate. Do you ever 'see' him go on the balcony?

If you want to train him to go in a specific area, then YOU must take him to the appropriate area EVERY time he goes out, and wait with him until he goes potty. PRAISE, PRAISE, PRAISE. Again, it's all about consistency and patience and it's really not difficult to do as long as you can commit the time. And now that you didn't commit the time initially, it will take much longer as he's learned to use the patio sometimes.

He stopped and started peeing for 1 of 3 reasons: (1) he has a medical issue, (2) you waited too long to take him to the potty area, or (3) he hasn't yet learned that you want him to go in a specific area of the yard.

You say all of your other dogs just 'knew' where to go; although I find that surprising, if it's true, then perhaps he would do better in a different home. A home that's a better fit for him. It seems that you're extremely frustrated by his inability to train himself to go where you want him to; and the thought of you using the '7 day confinement method' to train him is incredibly sad. You want to lock up an active intelligent Doberman puppy because you can't take the time to truly train him, and he can't just train himself. Disappointing

JMHO: It's a sad life for a puppy being stuck in a backyard, how will they learn anything of value out in a backyard??? Do you think he'll suddenly become perfect when he gets older? Why isn't he spending all of his time in the house, with you, when you're home? Where are the other dogs? Do you take him to training classes? Do you play with him? Or is the little time you're home spent mostly watching him from a window?

You might find that you're both happier if he finds a new home that's a better fit for him.

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Two things, dude.

1. A Doberman specific rescue is NOT "the shelter." These rescued/surrendered animals come into the rescue's system and stay with approved foster homes. There is no physical building--it is just the homes of a network of volunteers who help the rescue. These volunteers are screened, and if approved, receive support/communication and monitoring from the rescue's board and director, may receive some help with vet bills and food, or it may come out of their own pocket, depends on the rescue, and they let the dog live in their home and treat the dog like one of their own, until an appropriate adopter is found for that dog. Just FYI, since you seem to think folks here are suggesting some horrible fate for your puppy.

2. Serious question: Do you even like this dog?

I mean it, I'm not talking about being fond of the dog or becoming attached to him. I'm talking about--do you enjoy his company? Do you enjoy being his owner? Or is it a frustrating chore?

If it's a frustrating chore...well, how would you feel if you had to live under someone's authority, someone who did not like you, often got angry and frustrated with you for reasons you do not understand, and that you feel hopeless to figure out and change. How would that feel?

On the other hand, heck, why hang onto a dog you aren't clicking with, or enjoying?

Finding a new home thru a reputable, trustworthy rescue group--seems like win-win, for both two-legged and four-legged.
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I am calling it...

I vote TROLL for the following reasons (please feel free to add on to this preliminary list)

1. "rub nose in poop"
2. Lives outside and I don't see him everyday
3. Dog house and occasionially tied up
4. Super spectacular hissy fit about training superiority
5. All of this with a special needs dog

Good, but not great, trolling. 4 pages is pretty good. Not a record by any means, but still pretty good.
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You are so stuck , the advice you are getting is quality. These posters are really the top when it comes to caring for their pets and the issues that come in so many different ways. I hope you can make a good plan from the the advice that has been given and find the TIME and patience to work it. Its only about what is good for the doberman!
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He is allowed indoor time every now and then, particularly when I am watching TV/reading, I do plan on making him indoors more frequently but as I did state, I want to make sure he has the part of going in the designated area down while he is outside, then I will move him inside and have him alert me when he needs to go outside AND does in the designated area.
okay, i'm going to have to agree with those who are telling you dobermans are indoor dogs. leaving him outside...it's just not fair to him, and a LOT more stressful for you. did i miss where you might have attempted crate training?
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I really don't think you understand why other members are suggesting you consider rescue...its not because you can't get this dog to go potty in the "designated" spot in the yard.

It's because:

1. you keep him outside.
2. you don't give enough time to properly raise a doberman (notice I didn't say "dog").
3. you don't even live with the dog.
4. not only is this a doberman -- which is a very difficult breed to raise -- this is a special needs doberman...don't you think that putting this guy in a home familiar with the breed that is ready to properly raise and train a special needs dobe would be a better scenario here? I sure do.


If comparing your situation to him being put in a shelter and subsequently euthanized or a stray on the streets makes you feel like your doing a great thing for him, thats great for you...but this is about the dog, not you...and honestly he deserves a better life.

You can call everyone else ignorant and rant and rave about what we don't know...but first, look in the mirror, hun. The one thing every member here has in common is knowing dobermans...trust me, none of the members would be advocating rescue if we even felt there was a slight chance this could turn out well for your guy. You should know quite a few members are actually involved in rescue so telling someone to surrender their dog is only putting more work on themselves, but they do it in the best interest of the dog.
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I am calling it...

I vote TROLL for the following reasons (please feel free to add on to this preliminary list)

1. "rub nose in poop"
2. Lives outside and I don't see him everyday
3. Dog house and occasionially tied up
4. Super spectacular hissy fit about training superiority
5. All of this with a special needs dog

Good, but not great, trolling. 4 pages is pretty good. Not a record by any means, but still pretty good.
In addition to repeated veterinary questions that don't get answered.

I'm done.
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Place this poor puppy in a rescue where he can be taken care of and trained properly!
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I couldn't agree more with monicaei.
I look after children with more manners.. I think it's an endless thread. You try to help, she disagrees with every good advice. I feel sorry for this dog.
If this is how she reacts to some advice god knows what that poor pup has to deal with.
This dog should go to someone who will love him, have time for him and that CAN deal with his deafness.

That's if this story is even true as said before has a lot of red flags.. Like its looking for a reaction.
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And please do not take any training advice from Jayda+Bronson....what she is doing in unacceptable!


Uhhh, didnt think Jayda+ Bronson was giving advice. WHats with all the attitude, and smart comments. The sarcasm in here is so deep and somewhat on the borderlines of bullying.... I was stating that I use the same method that spacecowboy said that YOU GUYS WERE THRASHING HIM FOR! And i dont like when people pick on someone, espically when that person is asking for help.

If i ask you, "who's a good ear cropper in NOrthern Virginia, Bronson 12 weeks next week?" And all i get is

Oh a responsible owner would've asked the breeder
Oh a retutable breeder would've given you that answer
Why didnt you use the one your breeder recommended


AND im like I did all that, just answer the damn question, I didnt ask for your opionion. Because then it turned topics. NOw we are arguing over WHY am I even GETTING HIS EARS CrOPPED.

I know they say that ONLINE your a winner, and real life your a LOSER. Ya like the fact you can say all of these things and never have to worry about CONFRONTATION. I wish someone would tell me im unfit to have my dogs ( that knew me) in my face. Any mean comment you throw will effect me none because i know who I am and that Im not a bad person or stupid for training them how I did.

Still Bronson's has no accident. Still goes to his leash when he needs to go or stands by back door. I dont even have to put him in his cage anymore

This way has become so accustom to me and works for me that I use it and barely have to.

I dont understand how people can be so rude and mean on here and dont forget, some smartassess on here, and i cant simply state that i have yelled at bronson before and had him inches away from his stool while training him and now he's house trained?

I think you guys are mad at the fact that i had success with that method therefore I WILL be someone that whenever someone ask what method I use, ILL be sure to tell them..

Oh, thats often, I work with dogs! Im a groomer and people ask me for advice and gives me many thanks. None of them every try to make me feel bad from giving advice. If they dont agree they dont agree, but leave it at that.
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I am calling it...

I vote TROLL for the following reasons (please feel free to add on to this preliminary list)

1. "rub nose in poop"
2. Lives outside and I don't see him everyday
3. Dog house and occasionially tied up
4. Super spectacular hissy fit about training superiority
5. All of this with a special needs dog

Good, but not great, trolling. 4 pages is pretty good. Not a record by any means, but still pretty good.

wheww glad im not on that list.
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Any mean comment you throw will effect me none because i know who I am and that Im not a bad person or stupid for training them how I did.

Still Bronson's has no accident. Still goes to his leash when he needs to go or stands by back door. I dont even have to put him in his cage anymore

This way has become so accustom to me and works for me that I use it and barely have to.

I dont understand how people can be so rude and mean on here and dont forget, some smartassess on here, and i cant simply state that i have yelled at bronson before and had him inches away from his stool while training him and now he's house trained?

I think you guys are mad at the fact that i had success with that method therefore I WILL be someone that whenever someone ask what method I use, ILL be sure to tell them..
I don't recall reading anyone writing that you were stupid; however, other 'newbies' read these posts, and if others don't post their opinions, those newbies might think sticking a dog's nose by his poo and yelling at him is the way to go.

Remember, just because something's always been done does NOT mean we should continue to do it.

Jewels came home at 10 weeks of age, I have NEVER put her nose any where near poo nor have I ever, not even once, yelled at her for eliminating in the wrong location. She's had two accidents in the house that I can recall (she's 18 months old), and guess whose stupid fault those were, MINE!

So, sure you can post the method you use, but who are you to say the rest of us can't post alternate methods? A TON of very experienced folks have posted that they've housebroken their dogs without all the drama of yelling and sticking the dog's nose 'close' to poo. I hope the newbies that visit this post will opt for the more respectful approach to housebreaking, and invest the appropriate amount of time to 'train' their puppy.
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I am calling it...

I vote TROLL for the following reasons (please feel free to add on to this preliminary list)

1. "rub nose in poop"
2. Lives outside and I don't see him everyday
3. Dog house and occasionially tied up
4. Super spectacular hissy fit about training superiority
5. All of this with a special needs dog
6. The rediculous support of Jayda+Bronson

Good, but not great, trolling. 4 pages is pretty good. Not a record by any means, but still pretty good.
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Well thats good for you and Jewels. It doesnt have to be continued but who are you to tell people they shouldnt use that way. WHat are the disadvantages of it? Well, it sounded like I was suppose to be stupid according to what people say and think about me on here. And... I think and accept the fact that... people will never change THEIR ways. And if something works with you why change it? Because others tell them to? Yea, it may be better this way, but this way works best for me, this way is the way I know. I understand you think i am trying to recruit people to use to this method, I am not. However, if someone states that they do ( like SPACECOWBOYS) use that method, i think its of no concern to anyone else's opionion, if i simply state that I do as well.
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