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Old 11-10-2012, 08:52 PM   #51 (permalink)
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.....why is it you keep thinking people have said your dog should be euthanized? (I hit CTRL + F on that, and of the 9 instance of "euthanization" [soon to be 11 due to this post] your posts accounts for all but 3 of them. 2 of those are in posts that quote your posts).

Excuse my poor reading comprehension skills, as I immediately forgot the brand name and flavor of your dog's food (I'll search that as well in a moment), but did you say whether your dog had been vet checked with an eye towards urinary issues and digestive upset?

ETA: Ah yes, Kirkland. I think I've heard members recommending Kirkland as a decent food? And I feed Blue Buffalo currently. So I'd guess it isn't the food. I could be wrong, I am not a canine nutritionist.
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Since you are such a good trainer! Just teach him to read and put these signs up where you don't want him to go.. Problem solved!!!



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Once again, back on topic. I realize I am to blame for not dedicating as much time as I'd like, hence why I came on here to ask for valid suggestions/training methods as to how to deal with this issue given my certain circumstances. Surely there has to be something that works out there for me and my canine companion -- or wait, whats that? The only viable option is to rehome him? Alright then, I guess problems can't be solved in many ways after all.
People are helping you/giving you options other then re-homing. You are just chosing not to bother with them. You just want to be on your high horse and be defensive and remain ignorant.

Gingerlock - told you to get a vet check, suggested that you don't be angry at him when you find it, that he may be picking up on that emotion. They offered you deaf training websites for help

Boomerjunier - told you also to get a vet check, look into food and again don't show angry emotion he may pick up on

Melbrod - told you to schedule more time with him

Zeldarules - also told you to get more time with him

Monicael - told you to work on more training

Teacherspet - told you to work on more traing, to clean the area more where you want him to go and to have him checked by a vet.

Jayda + Bronson - told you that they use the same method as you and how it's worked for them (and yes people, including me don't like this method and are allowed to say so) this fits into the "angry" emotions that other users are trying to steer you away from. But they still offered you advise.

The people on here are not ganging up. They are giving you all sound solid advice that you can't bother to see or because it's not exactly what you want to hear you chalk it up to only seeing "re-homing" as the only thing valid in their posts. Countless users have suggested that re-homing sounds like the best choice because you apparently don't have the time or temperment to "deal" with this deaf dog anymore. because that's how YOU are presenting yourself.
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I think you are not equipped to deal with a deaf dog...sorry for saying so.

Other than that if he's eliminating 7 times a day I think you are probably feeding him to much food. What and how much are you feeding him??

Does anyone know if there is a forum out there for deaf dogs where he can get some help?
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Uh so all the poop into face smearing aside (which is absolutely 100% unacceptable) back to the orginal topic at hand.

I can't and don't speak for any of the previous posters but what I understand from what I've read is that they are trying to get across to you is consitancy is key with any training (potty, obedience, anything). And due to your lifestyle/living arraignment you don't seem equipped to deal with these "issues" your puppy is having. So re-homing seems like the healthier and happier option for both you and the puppy.

Going days without seeing/being with/training with your puppy is not treating him like a king. <------- this appears to be the problem with most of the posters suggestion that you give him up. And they are right. You are not doing a service to this dog. Deaf or otherwise.

I work a fulltime job, a part time job, and have 4 dogs. They are all top priority in life. My husband, heaven love him "deals" with the dogs when I'm at work (much like your mother) does not make them behave the way that I do. But because of MY time and training they are well behaved dogs, although will take advantage of their father.

So my "thanks" go to the posters who have suggested you get the dog to the vet to see if it's a medical issue. Also to those who suggest you either start putting your puppy 1st in your life, or at least closer to the top and if not re-home him, so he can be with an owner who can give him the time he needs.

I'm not really interested in your excuses, because that's what they are. Your puppy sounds housebroken, if he's not having accidents in your house (but since he doesn't sound like he even lives in your house...), and the occassional accident on your balcony doesn't sound like the end of the world . It sounds like you don't want to pick up his "sh*t" because he doesn't go where you want him to.

No I've never had a deaf dog. But my current puppy, who is also 6 months old is also hand signal trained. Big whoop

Plain and simple this is NOT THE DOGS FAULT. It's yours. You don't want to hear it. If you don't have the time to properly "train" a dog, deaf or not, place it where it can get the love and attention it needs.
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Thank you. The fact that you understand part of the situation I am stuck in is rather comforting. It's a beautiful thing when someone uses a big portion of their brain to analyze the situation as a whole rather than letting their emotions get the best out of them and snap at the opposing poster for not raising their doberman in a manger like Christ.

You all have me laughing and thanks for proving my point about teaming up, you know who you are. Jayden+Bronson came here merely to express her thoughts/results on her particular training method and here is the lot of you arguing like a toddler about who is more ignorant. ZeldaRules you said what you had to say so you can ditch this thread now. I had respect for you prior to this but after picking on another users "ignorance" for her particular way of typing as she pleases in otherwise meaningless forum post, you can rest assured its all gone. My particular suggestion is that you consider retiring from your occupation as a full time "dobemom" and look for job in the English department somewhere. You'd be doing many of us a favor and be contributing much more to this world than you are now. Just my two cents, I'm still entitled to an opinion here right?! Or is it invalid because I'm not a full time "dobedad" who works from home and spends all day with my velcro dog beside me at all times?

Once again, back on topic. I realize I am to blame for not dedicating as much time as I'd like, hence why I came on here to ask for valid suggestions/training methods as to how to deal with this issue given my certain circumstances. Surely there has to be something that works out there for me and my canine companion -- or wait, whats that? The only viable option is to rehome him? Alright then, I guess problems can't be solved in many ways after all.

To the person who asked what I feed him, I clearly stated it what brand and flavor I feed him. Look for it. I'm not going to repeat myself because you didn't take the time to read or hold your hand through the CTRL + F method.

AlyssaN, I clearly made the wrong decision by not euthanizing him when I found out he was deaf right? Oh woe is me, curse me now and in the afterlife. Once again, thank you for your interest in this thread. Please come again when you try training a deaf dog. Anyone can give their dogs verbal command and follow through with that with a hand signal. I mean ANYONE. Teaching a certain behavior from scratch for EVERY action with certain SPECIFIC hand signals for each is harder than you can imagine, darling. Not just for a 19 year old. Case closed, suitcase filled with clothes.

I have mentioned that my mom is not fully supportive of a big breed dog as the dobe being a full time indoor dog, but I'm sure I can change her mind If I get him to get used to eliminating in a specific area when he is outside before moving him into the house and having him alert when he needs to go outside would really simplify things. Baby steps, I believe is what you call such process?

It is important for him to not eliminate in the balcony for everyone has clear sight of this area and would not look rather unpleasant to every guest. Not to mention it is close to where his dog house is and it yards away from the nearest wash station, which just so happens to be in the rear end of the backyard by the designated area. Would simplify the pick up process by a huge margin. Once again, appreciate the positive responses. Please continue my enlightening of the various existing potty training methods. No one has elaborated on crate training at this stage, hell, he rarely fits in it. Think its time for a new one, but at the same time he doesn't get transported from point A to B as he did when he was younger.

SpaceCowboy is not yet giving up on him, simple figurative language.

P.S: Wah wah is all my mind translates most of these rehome him posts. If you care about him so much come rescue him yourself. I can't help but chuckle at how you ignore that he is in Mexico and flame me for not being able to take care of a deaf dog as if you could do any better, or even a shelter. I DOUBT deaf dobermans are common and find it hard to believe he would receive first class care in a shelter. I could be wrong, but as I said, so are a majority of you as you'd discard him on the spot upon birth/after finding out he is deaf and could give a rats nest about him a creature being euthanized. I'm not one to wish bad things upon people, but somehow I hope you find yourself in the situation I find myself in, dealing with any deaf creature. Only then, and maybe only then you'll understand. As I mentioned before, thank that others persons post and if he can't be trained in a specific amount of time I will discard all my current progress and find a place to take him in. Once again, let me make this clear as some of you don't seem to understand. I dont rub his nose on the actual feces. I just INCH him towards it. Big difference, I like to think. I have mentioned that I have no other problem with him other than him eliminating whenever and wherever at all times. I don't mind its 7 times a day, I mind that I have to pick up 5 out of 7 in the balcony and 1 is somewhere else, and the other close to the designated spot. None in the actual designated spot. He doesn't bite, he doesn't talk back, he doesn't chase every other living creature and he doesn't jump up at people. Something that could not be said about some of your particular dobermans. Puppy, Senior, Blind or deaf.
1. Hubris. Look it up. Ya gots it, in spades.

2. Irony. Look it up. It's here in your posts, in spades.

You're handling this pup in a very sub-par manner, with clearly limited (at best) understanding of proper husbandry and of animal behavior, yet you're attempting to insult a group of great dog sports people, trainers, vets, ACTUAL rescuers (as opposed to your lone-wolf-in-a-noble-cause-against-the-world delusion), educated and ethical breeders, and pet owners who stand head-and-shoulders above 90% of the average pet people in NA.

And, Stop It.

Stop with the "oh, you horrible people would euthanize this pup."

That's melodramatic bullsh!t.

There are people on here who have taken care of FAR worse special needs animals than a simple case of deafness. Pffft. Piece of cake, compared to a whole lot of what we've dealt with. And yes, btw, I have cared for and trained a deaf dog, and several blind ones. Just FYI. Again, not that big a deal.

Another thing, it's great you've made attempts to train your pup, but when you start espousing he's loads and loads more advanced in his training than the poor Dobermans belonging to community members here...well, hon, it just makes you look ridiculous.

I had a red male who had all his necessary medical service dog tasks, plus more, plus all his basic obedience and some fun tricks, to verbal, to hand signals, and to flash cards, by the time he was four months old.

And there are people here who've done far more with their dogs, so before you get your tighty whities in any more of a wad, you might want to sit back and think about why you are the one here asking questions.

There are a ton of numbnuts dog forums out there who will stroke your ego and assure you that your misguided behavior is A-Okay--in fact you will find memberships who are even far less savvy than you, and it will be the misguided leading the misinformed.

But, heck, you will get ego strokes, and feel all superior and stuff, so...maybe that is a priority to you, rather than the well-being and best interests of your puppy.

Lastly, if you would be willing to surrender this puppy to a reputable Doberman rescue organization, just say the word, and folks here will get busy making it happen, including folks volunteering their own time and gas money for transport.

You have a good evening now, you hear?
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First, I never suggested a shelter. He would almost certainly rot away or be euthanized in that environment. I suggested contacting a breed-specific Doberman Rescue group just across the US border. Seriously, they're like 20 minutes from the border. And this is what they do! They will place him in an appropriate home equipped to take on a special needs dog.

And so you know, I'm not suggesting this because I'm jumping on any so-called bandwagon. I HAVE raised and trained a deaf puppy. INDOORS. IN a crate while I worked a full-time job and came home everyday on my lunch break to take him out, exercise, do his business, eat, and settle back into the crate before returning to work. It was hard as hell, and a real challenge. I don't recommend it for any inexperienced dog owner.

But you know what? I had him potty trained within two weeks so that would've been by the time he was 12 weeks old (I brought him home at 10 w/o). And when he was out of his crate for playtime, I had him trained to go to the door when he needed to go outside. Not only that, but he learned several hand commands by the time he was four months old. And he was a Dalmation (commonly deaf due to inbreeding) who wasn't nearly as intelligent as a Doberman.

So if he could do it, your puppy certainly can. It's not the puppy. What you're doing simply isn't working! And since you've expressed anger, frustration and disappointment in your training experiences thus far, why continue pursuing a goal you don't seem to be able to obtain, AND risk damaging the puppy with incorrect, outdated, ill-advised training methods?! You're getting sound advice here, but you're focusing on how to best argue every point you don't agree with. If you don't like the advice you're getting here, at least contact the rescue group I suggested and ask them for some advice. I think you'll find they'll tell you the same thing. If you still choose to go against what you've been advised, then I think it's safe to say you're going to be in for a troublesome future with a growing, maturing, deaf, male Doberman.

Best of luck to him.

[quote/]P.S: Wah wah is all my mind translates most of these rehome him posts. If you care about him so much come rescue him yourself. I can't help but chuckle at how you ignore that he is in Mexico and flame me for not being able to take care of a deaf dog as if you could do any better, or even a shelter. I DOUBT deaf dobermans are common and find it hard to believe he would receive first class care in a shelter. I could be wrong, but as I said, so are a majority of you as you'd discard him on the spot upon birth/after finding out he is deaf and could give a rats nest about him a creature being euthanized. I'm not one to wish bad things upon people, but somehow I hope you find yourself in the situation I find myself in, dealing with any deaf creature. Only then, and maybe only then you'll understand. As I mentioned before, thank that others persons post and if he can't be trained in a specific amount of time I will discard all my current progress and find a place to take him in. Once again, let me make this clear as some of you don't seem to understand. I dont rub his nose on the actual feces. I just INCH him towards it. Big difference, I like to think. I have mentioned that I have no other problem with him other than him eliminating whenever and wherever at all times. I don't mind its 7 times a day, I mind that I have to pick up 5 out of 7 in the balcony and 1 is somewhere else, and the other close to the designated spot. None in the actual designated spot. He doesn't bite, he doesn't talk back, he doesn't chase every other living creature and he doesn't jump up at people. Something that could not be said about some of your particular dobermans. Puppy, Senior, Blind or deaf.[/quote]

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There is a reason why I "ignored" them and why I continue to get so "defensive" don't you get it? I've read many deaf dog websites, joined various groups, you really think I haven't? Where else do you think I got many of the ideas for hand signals/training methods for him to have learned what he knows now? He has already been checked by a vet, I give him as much time as I can possibly give him when I'm home, how can I work on more training when they dont throw in decent suggestions? I don't get angry that I have to pick it up, I know its part of the process. I only get angry when I catch him in the act or when I inch him towards it (which has been done less than 5 times). I'm not hearing what I want to hear because I've already heard and tried it or its not an option under my circumstances. Is this that hard for you to understand? I like how you ignore the fact that I've thanked people for their input though, how typical. I think its you not reading what you wanna read. Just my opinion. I came here to hear of all these wonderful rituals/old school methods that are surely out there and have worked for other people or themselves, but instead all I'm getting is attacked and repeated the same things time after time (euthanize him). If im so ignorant as you think then why are you still here if I can ask? I think its just a matter of not having anything better to do or important things to say. If I was with my dog right now, rest assured I'd be with him right now. Taking him to his spot, playing with him, trining him, but I am not. I am here attempting to get valuable information that I can incorporate when I do meet up with him, and I'm not receiving that. Lets talk ignorance with someone whose username is 4BadDogs, the irony. OK I went too far on that one, apologies. Hopefully there will be more meaningful input here in the morning. Night

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Crate train the dog and take him out to potty OR stop demanding he defecate in a certain spot in the yard that he is left in alone all day.

Those are your choices. Whatever magic pill you are waiting for hasn't been developed yet.

His deafness has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS BOWELS. It's completely irrelevant to this issue

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YES! A MILLION TIMES YES!!!

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There is a reason why I "ignored" them and why I continue to get so "defensive" don't you get it? I've read many deaf dog websites, joined various groups, you really think I haven't? Where else do you think I got many of the ideas for hand signals/training methods for him to have learned what he knows now? He has already been checked by a vet, I give him as much time as I can possibly give him when I'm home, how can I work on more training when they dont throw in decent suggestions? I don't get angry that I have to pick it up, I know its part of the process. I only get angry when I catch him in the act or when I inch him towards it (which has been done less than 5 times). I'm not hearing what I want to hear because I've already heard and tried it or its not an option under my circumstances. Is this that hard for you to understand? I like how you ignore the fact that I've thanked people for their input though, how typical. I think its you not reading what you wanna read. Just my opinion. I came here to hear of all these wonderful rituals/old school methods that are surely out there and have worked for other people or themselves, but instead all I'm getting is attacked and repeated the same things time after time (euthanize him). If im so ignorant as you think then why are you still here if I can ask? I think its just a matter of not having anything better to do or important things to say. If I was with my dog right now, rest assured I'd be with him right now. Taking him to his spot, playing with him, trining him, but I am not. I am here attempting to get valuable information that I can incorporate when I do meet up with him, and I'm not receiving that. Lets talk ignorance with someone whose username is 4BadDogs, the irony. OK I went too far on that one, apologies. Hopefully there will be more meaningful input here in the morning. Night
My user name is because my dogs are BAD ASS dogs. But it's inappropriate to have such a kick ass name as 4badassdogs, so i shortened it. MY 6 MONTH doberman is potty trained / house broken.... yours isn't. Here's the long and short of it. I TRAINED WITH HER EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME SHE WENT OUT. I didn't leave her out for hours at a time without my supervisor while i "walked away from the window". In fact I spent an hour working/training with her this morning on just normal obedience training. Just so her and I could spend time together. She knows her basic obedience but it's good to be proactive and spend time with her. She lives in the house with me. She is crate trained. as are my other 3. One of them is a retired police K-9, and 2 of them are rescues, so if you need me to continue to validate my user name to you I'd be happy to.
No one is telling you to put the dog down. They are telling you to spend more time and energy on the dog and if you can't then give it to someone who can. I'm on this forum because I'm currently away from my dogs and can't spend right now with them. Or else I wouldn't be here arguing with someone about a poor dog who just needs someones time and attention.
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YES! A MILLION TIMES YES!!!

And yet another reason why RFR is my favorite DT member.

Whoa, careful there. Accusations about "kiss asses" are already flying rampant on this thread

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There is a reason why I "ignored" them and why I continue to get so "defensive" don't you get it? I've read many deaf dog websites, joined various groups, you really think I haven't? Where else do you think I got many of the ideas for hand signals/training methods for him to have learned what he knows now? He has already been checked by a vet, I give him as much time as I can possibly give him when I'm home, how can I work on more training when they dont throw in decent suggestions? I don't get angry that I have to pick it up, I know its part of the process. I only get angry when I catch him in the act or when I inch him towards it (which has been done less than 5 times). I'm not hearing what I want to hear because I've already heard and tried it or its not an option under my circumstances. Is this that hard for you to understand? I like how you ignore the fact that I've thanked people for their input though, how typical. I think its you not reading what you wanna read. Just my opinion. I came here to hear of all these wonderful rituals/old school methods that are surely out there and have worked for other people or themselves, but instead all I'm getting is attacked and repeated the same things time after time (euthanize him). If im so ignorant as you think then why are you still here if I can ask? I think its just a matter of not having anything better to do or important things to say. If I was with my dog right now, rest assured I'd be with him right now. Taking him to his spot, playing with him, trining him, but I am not. I am here attempting to get valuable information that I can incorporate when I do meet up with him, and I'm not receiving that. Lets talk ignorance with someone whose username is 4BadDogs, the irony. OK I went too far on that one, apologies. Hopefully there will be more meaningful input here in the morning. Night
Bold emphasis is mine.

Um, please quote just one post on this thread where a forum member says you should euthanize this pup. Just one.

Because I'm really not finding it.

Maybe there is a secret decoder ring and you can only read hidden invisible secret agent posts if you have that ring?

Dammit. I want my ring.
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Just one thing, spacecowboy--there is no way on the net that we here in this forum would have ANY idea as to whether you have read a lot of books about deaf dogs, or have joined various groupsm etc., unless you tell us. If you tell us in a nice way, like "so-and-so says to do such-and-such in a given circumstance; what do you think?" we are much more likely to respond back with helpful opinions (of course, we still may not agree ) But to throw that kind of things in peoples face in the middle of an "I know things better than you"--negatives will happen.
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How to House Break a puppy /dog of any age since yours is deaf you can praise by petting it.
If you take them out on about a 6 ft leash it helps keep them focused tell them go potty ,hurry up or what ever words you want to use just use the same words each time. Stand in one spot let them go all around you till they find the spot then Praise like it is the greatest thing you ever saw. If they do not go in about 20 minutes go back in and crate them or tie them to you them go back out in about 30 minutes.pups need to go out after naps,playing, eating & drinking 1st thing in the morning last thing at night depending on the age of the pup you may need to take them out at night too. Always use a pet urine enzyme to clean up all traces of urine or feces you can use a black light to find all traces. It takes about 3-6 months of contestant training to house break a pup the more accidents they have the longer it takes. Hang a bell on the door you go out you ring it until the pup gets the idea how to ring it yes sometimes they ring it to go look at a squirrel but its a phase they go though you just have to go though it with them. Do not forget to praise each time they go to reinforce the potty training. If you are consistent you will also have a pup/dog that will go potty on command comes in handy when it rains,snow, is icy, on a trip at night . People will think you are a amazing trainer too. Good Luck
You have to teach them what you want them to do they are not born knowing since your dog is deaf you cannot tell them what you want them to do I would still take them out on a leash go to one area.Keep going to the same area the dog should be able to smell where they went before when they do go praise by petting or act animated happy so the dog knows it did what you wanted it to do. If you were to google deaf dogs they may have sign language for you to learn to teach your dog.In Obedience when you train for a CDX,UD I believe you use hand signals just a matter of teaching them to yourself & the dog takes more time and patience. Good luck

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I read your other threads on your pup....did you ever end up getting him BAER tested? In your original thread, it seems as though I'm reading the speculation was only that his right ear was affected.

I mean, I do agree that the pooping thing doesn't have to do with his deafness. I do still think that's an awful lot of poop o.o
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Go back and re-read what is being suggested to you. Why is it impossible for you to crate or confine the dog inside while you're not there to supervise? Why is it not possible to have your mom let him out on a schedule so the training you're doing can be reinforced when you're not there? You can hire someone to do this as well if your mom is not equipped or interested to do so. Many pet sitters are hired for just this job by busy people like you who work and can't get home during the day for a short bathroom break and playtime with your pet.

Whether you wanted it or not, you're now in the boat of owning a young, untrained, under stimulated, special needs working dog. You're both in for a lot more frustration if you don't start making some changes now. Stop making excuses: there _are_ things you can change now. If re-homing him is something you refuse to do, then start looking at ways to confine him while you implement the necessary changes to provide him with structure and a clear leader. Dobes thrive under these conditions and you'll both be much happier.

ETA--I would be cleaning those places he messed in with a specific enzyme cleaner as I previously mentioned. Anything else covers the smell to us but is still an easy thing for your dog to scent. You want to remove the scent of "bathroom" in places you don't want him going. You may also have to prevent him from having physical access to these places for a while as well if it has become an ingrained habit to defecate there.

The fact that he goes when you're not looking tells me that you've taught him you don't like poop, so he's trying to do it out of your eye sight. You want to teach him that it's a GOOD thing that he poops, and when and where he can be rewarded for it. To do this, you need to be there every time to prevent the behaviour you don't want, and reward what you do.
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It's pretty common around here, too. That doesn't mean that it is proper sentence structure, though.
oh, i fully agree. i figured i'd point out that it's extremely common to see this in print 'round here.
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wow...I just read through all of this. I am new to the doberman scene but I can say that housetraining is a pain in the butt at times but it's not rocket science.

So, you want the puppy to potty in a certian area in the yard? But he is allowed full reign of the yard? He is outside most of the time with minimal to no supervision? (you said sometimes you look through the windows) Yet, you want him to only go in a certian "area"

I don't see why going to the bathroom outside anywhere in the yard is an issue. If you take the time once or twice a day to pick up after your dog it will take you no more than 2-5 minutes. You said your mom was too frail to be picking up dog waste in the yard? Then GET OFF YOUR LAZY BUTT AND PICK IT UP YOURSELF! Your mother isn't the one who agreed to take care of this puppy, YOU brought it home and said you would train/take care of it (which INCLUDES picking up poo) Expecially if you are trying to "sell" your mom on keeping him like you said, shouldn't you be trying to show her your responsability by cleaning up after your puppy?

I'm almost certian the dog does not understand what you want him to do or where you want him to do it. Try placing baby gates up so he cannot access the patio of you are worried about him soiling that area.

You said you were thrusted into the situation "unwillingly"...what exactly does that mean? (excuse me if I missed this part of the conversation) But, you don't HAVE to take a puppy. did someone come to you and say if you don't take this puppy I will shoot you? If not, I don't understand exactly WHY you just HAD to have this puppy.
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When you say checked by a vet do you mean just a simple check up? If that's the case, Mexican vets are useless. They will look at your dog and just give you the A-OK. Go back and get:

- full blood panel
- fecal test
- giardia test (collect poop from 3 days for this one, because it can be hard to catch).
- ultrasound

Once those ALL come back clear, then you can think of writing off medical causes.
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You still haven't said whether your pup has solid or runny poo. Or if you did I missed it in all the blah..blah...blah.

I think this is important to the situation. If he's got diarrhea, he's going to go wherever he happens to be when it hits.

Whether the food is good or not isn't the same as whether it suits your dog. If you can slow down the frequency, you can schedule walks or visits to your toilet area into your day. I'd seriously look into something (like rice or pumpkin) to help him firm up.

I walk my dog about an hour after I feed her. She poops. We do this twice a day. If I'm working outside & she's outside with me, there is no extra pooping. She's on a schedule that I can cope with because it's only twice a day.

By the way, I like the 'block off the patio' concept. If the dog is using it as a toilet area, what about giving it a really good scrub down & blocking it off for now so that he can't get or stay in this habit?

My geography sucks - but I thought that San Diego was in the US. Are you in San Diego as your profile says (it's to the left of your posts & people do look at that info), or are you in Mexico?
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If I screamed at you and scared you every time you drank a glass of water, and I dragged you by your neck and showed you the faucet, what do you think would happen? You'd probably be scared to drink water in front of me after a few times. So what would you do? You have to drink, right? So, you would wait until you think I'm not looking, and go get some water. Think about it.
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WOW is all I can say after reading this. So many have given you such great advice and all you do is attack and get angry. I can only imagine how the pup is being scolded.

You clearly don't or won't spend the required time that this breed needs. Today it's poop, tomorrow it will be something else because the pup isn't receiving the proper attention. First and foremost that dog belongs in the home. They ARE NOT outdoor dogs.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:32 AM   #72 (permalink)
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If I screamed at you and scared you every time you drank a glass of water, and I dragged you by your neck and showed you the faucet, what do you think would happen? You'd probably be scared to drink water in front of me after a few times. So what would you do? You have to drink, right? So, you would wait until you think I'm not looking, and go get some water. Think about it.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:43 AM   #73 (permalink)
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What Kevin K said. Your dog seems to have learned that he gets into trouble when he eliminates. That's why he does it in the "15 seconds" that you aren't watching him. Unless you are cleaning your outdoor area very thoroughly every time he goes where he shouldn't, then the whole area will smell like a toilet to him and he will keep doing it, especially if he is unmonitored most of the day so he can go when and where he wants, but when you arrive he gets shouted at for doing it.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:51 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Ok I've reread your first post. You catch the dog in the middle of it, shout at him and then put him in a "time out" in the "designated area". So straight away this designated area has become an unpleasant area that he is taken too after he is shouted at or punished. So he learns when he poos he gets tied up. So now when he poos he pulls you towards the tie up spot because he has got into that routine and he thinks that is what happens. He thinks "Oh no, I did it infront of him, now he's mad and I have to go to my time out."

So now when you keep giving him the command to go, which is obviously not a command he knows properly yet, he associates that even more with you being cross, and him being tied up. So now your dog knows you are cross, and you caught him pooing soooo..... now he's tied up and you are barking this command at him that you sometimes say when he poos, but when he does that he gets in trouble, soo...... he's not gonna do anything. And when you untie him, he shows you a submissive behaviour by trying to lick you, which is trying to calm and pacify you because he knows you are angry.

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It's driving me crazy to the point that whenever I catch him in the middle of it I now use the strictest no! (getting in his face and shaking head/finger) and grab him by the collar and tie him up to a leash in the designated area and put him on time out for a few minutes. I feel like even he knows what hes doing wrong as whenever I catch him and start grabbing him he just starts jogging/kinda pulling me towards the leash area and stops next to the leash as if he knows whats next. This drives me even more mad because he knows the process. It's like in his mind he is thinking "if being tied up for a few minutes is the price I have to pay for eliminating everywhere I want, so be it!" When he is tied up he does not eliminate even when I give him the commands (always had a hard time with him going on the leash) he just stands there looking at me with a sad face and or sits down/tries to nap and when I go to untie him he starts licking my hand. After I untie him, sometimes I'll keep him confined in the area with my body and give him the command and he will do so, but most of the time he just sits there looking at me like he doesn't know what I expect from him. I know he can and does hold it in for long periods of time since he has been left tied up for longer than usual a few times and still didn't eliminate right after being being let loose.

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ZeldaRules you said what you had to say so you can ditch this thread now.

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I had respect for you prior to this but after picking on another users "ignorance" for her particular way of typing as she pleases in otherwise meaningless forum post, you can rest assured its all gone.

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My particular suggestion is that you consider retiring from your occupation as a full time "dobemom" and look for job in the English department somewhere. You'd be doing many of us a favor and be contributing much more to this world than you are now. Just my two cents, I'm still entitled to an opinion here right?! Or is it invalid because I'm not a full time "dobedad" who works from home and spends all day with my velcro dog beside me at all times?
Full time dobemom? I would be so lucky!

I go to school full-time for an accelerated program.
I have 2 working breeds and 1 herding breed to make time for, as well as a bully mutt foster.
I do agility.
I do pet therapy.
I have a boyfriend to make time for.
I have family to make time for.
I have friends to make time for.
I have a pet photography business that requires me to travel all across town, photograph a lot of rescue dogs and events for free, and shoot magazine covers.


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Once again, back on topic. I realize I am to blame for not dedicating as much time as I'd like
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