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Old 11-10-2012, 04:24 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I can't help but to laugh at all the, excuse my rudeness "kiss-asses" thanking the ignorant suggestions.
Erm --- right... You're most likely upset because you wanted validation that what you were doing/going to do was the right thing, when it isn't. Sticking his nose in it? He's a puppy! He has no idea what that means! If someone came up to you, grabbed your head and stuck it up to the toilet do you know what they'd be saying?

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Sure I didn't think I was fit enough to raise a deaf dog either, do you think I purposely picked out the deaf one?
No, I think you made a poor decision. I think that when you realized it, you still didn't do anything about it.

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Of course I didn't but rather than give up on him or have him euthanized as some of you cold hearted suckers would no doubt not even think twice of doing because he is not "standard to the holy doberman breed", I decided to give it a shot at raising him, and for the most part I think I'm doing all right.
Uhmmm, you said you were giving up in the topic title...are you doing alright, or are you giving up?

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Putting that aside, there is a video I posted here of a quick training session I had with him using hand signals only (dohhh) at four months, it consisted of him sitting, waiting, making eye contact with him, going down, playing dead and waiting for an OK command to release him from this position. Not to take a shot at anyone but something I'm sure a lot of you couldn't get done by that age (4 months), without special training/help/obedience classes.
Actually, all that and more...And yes, my dog can probably do 95% of what I have taught him with hand signals. It really isn't that difficult.

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P.S: per your own request, if hjgrl's post gets 20 thank yous and he is still not potty trained accordingly in a months time, I will take him to a shelter here in Mexico where he will no doubt be euthanized shortly after they find out he is deaf or just left to roam the streets until someone either picks him up for being a doberman or he is starved to death. Is this what you wanted? Well you asked for it and I will comply.
Ahh, the mentality of a nineteen-year-old. Sooo glad you were given the opportunity to take on this challenge and make a difference in the dog's life and not someone else.

Honestly, I read a lot of your stuff and thought "troll troll troll", but now I'm thinking that you're actually serious and that's extremely upsetting. You're poor poor dog...
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This is gonna get alot of people upset....

I, my mom and my sister have always used the same method to house train our dogs. All of our dogs were basically house trained by six months and we used the stick -his - nose- near-it method, follwed by yelling at them as we put them in the cage. After i pick it up or clean it, i go up to the cage and show it again. Whenever they, or he would wine, i would say " NO, im still mad at you!". When i let them out the kennel, instead of going directly out side, i love on them, always. In hopes that if they remembered i was mad and screaming at them earlier, and now Im not, I feel they soon see the pattern, and what makes me yell at them. Thats why I still go outside with him and whenever he release or tinkle I get all excited saying good boy and even start running around with him. Bronson is almost 4 months and hasnt had an accident for four days ( fingers-crossing.) However, the very few time he did, it mostly was my fault and therefore wouldnt yell, but simply put him in his cage. Jayda is house trained of course and went through the same routine. I do not see a problem with that method. Do you not ever yell at your kids every once in a while? Please no bashing, just stating my opinion. Moreso because im new on here too and WOW! There are some complete hypocrites in here! I cant believe you guys are attacking her like that, what wrong with ya'll? Over-reacting, being dramatic? Thats what some of ya'll are being, not her, thats rude. Its just like everything else in this world, there's always someone at something that thinks that everything make sense their way and everything else is considered ignorant. Do you know how many dogs I had to save from people who preach the same nonsense some have spoken on here)? Prime example, my old boss. Who told me I was "stupid for watching a presa canero for a friend going away to college, there stupid and vicious and your not smart to have one". I quit there 3 months later. About 2 months after that, mind you she had 9 dogs: german shephard, golden retriever, standard poodle, chi-chi, pom, pit( ya see!), french bulldog, shih tzu, a goldendoodle and 4 cats, she came to my job at the vet, on a day i wasnt working and surrendered over the golden, chi-chi,pom, and GS. How dare she try constantly to make me feel bad about my decision, when she doesnt have her stuff together. Point is, pay it no mind, they just glad they have a reason to think their proving a point.
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Are you really advocating the "rub nose in poop" training? Yes, people are going to think your training methods are outdated (at best)

Seriously, though... People still do that? Do you clean your dog afterwards, or just live with **** nose in the house? How is this even a viable option?

HOW HARD IS IT TO PUT PUPPY ON A SCHEDULE AND CRATE TRAIN?


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This is gonna get alot of people upset....

I, my mom and my sister have always used the same method to house train our dogs. All of our dogs were basically house trained by six months and we used the stick -his - nose- near-it method, follwed by yelling at them as we put them in the cage. After i pick it up or clean it, i go up to the cage and show it again. Whenever they, or he would wine, i would say " NO, im still mad at you!". When i let them out the kennel, instead of going directly out side, i love on them, always. In hopes that if they remembered i was mad and screaming at them earlier, and now Im not, I feel they soon see the pattern, and what makes me yell at them. Thats why I still go outside with him and whenever he release or tinkle I get all excited saying good boy and even start running around with him. Bronson is almost 4 months and hasnt had an accident for four days ( fingers-crossing.) However, the very few time he did, it mostly was my fault and therefore wouldnt yell, but simply put him in his cage. Jayda is house trained of course and went through the same routine. I do not see a problem with that method. Do you not ever yell at your kids every once in a while? Please no bashing, just stating my opinion. Moreso because im new on here too and WOW! There are some complete hypocrites in here! I cant believe you guys are attacking her like that, what wrong with ya'll? Over-reacting, being dramatic? Thats what some of ya'll are being, not her, thats rude. Its just like everything else in this world, there's always someone at something that thinks that everything make sense their way and everything else is considered ignorant. Do you know how many dogs I had to save from people who preach the same nonsense some have spoken on here)? Prime example, my old boss. Who told me I was "stupid for watching a presa canero for a friend going away to college, there stupid and vicious and your not smart to have one". I quit there 3 months later. About 2 months after that, mind you she had 9 dogs: german shephard, golden retriever, standard poodle, chi-chi, pom, pit( ya see!), french bulldog, shih tzu, a goldendoodle and 4 cats, she came to my job at the vet, on a day i wasnt working and surrendered over the golden, chi-chi,pom, and GS. How dare she try constantly to make me feel bad about my decision, when she doesnt have her stuff together. Point is, pay it no mind, they just glad they have a reason to think their proving a point.
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IM not advocating it, Im saying I use it
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And i dont rub his nose in it. Stop putting words in my text.
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IM not advocating it, Im saying I use it
Talk about hypocrisy...

Does your breeder know that you're doing that to your puppies? WOW.


Btw, it's German Shepherd.

Please, educate yourself on proper housetraining methods:

http://www.humanesociety.org/animals...g_puppies.html


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Expect your puppy to have a few accidents in the house—it's a normal part of housetraining. Here's what to do when that happens:

Interrupt your puppy when you catch him in the act of eliminating in the house.
Make a startling noise (be careful not to scare him) or say "OUTSIDE!" Immediately take him to his bathroom spot, praise him, and give him a treat if he finishes eliminating there.
Don't punish your puppy for eliminating in the house. If you find a soiled area, it's too late to administer a correction. Just clean it up. Rubbing your puppy's nose in it, taking him to the spot and scolding him, or any other punishment will only make him afraid of you or afraid to eliminate in your presence. In fact, punishment will often do more harm than good.
Clean the soiled area thoroughly. Puppies are highly motivated to continue soiling in areas that smell like urine or feces. Check with your veterinarian or pet store for products designed specifically to clean areas soiled by pets."

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Good on ya, I guess?

Yes, rubbing a puppy's face in **** is a better way to house train than a simple schedule and crate train. More fun for everyone involved, too. Does he struggle to get away from the feces, or willingly get his face smooshed in them?

Jeesus... I've used outdated training methods in the past that I'm not proud of, but this particular one is just SO stupid.

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Aw... now yall are doing it to me... again. Ya'll know me... Let me introduce myself
1: He is on a schedule. I am a groomer, and work 30hrs a week. 3-4 days they come to work with me and recieve about 5 walks a day. Not just from me from my other co worker, and boss. I feed him 3 times a day Blue, Jayda Nutro. I walk him twice in the morning, twice before bed, and I take them to take park at least once a week.

2. Ive only had to do it 5 times compared to the 15 times he done took a crap in my house! Like I said, most of the time it was my fault. If I just walked him, and he starts whinnning for no reason 20 minutes later and I brush it off and then I walk into my room and see a pile, No thats not his fault. In that case I just say his name and get mad at myself, put him in the cage, clean up the mess, take him out side.

3. An example is: 2 weeks ago, which is the last one I can remember, he did number 1 and 2 on my bed when i went to use to bathroom. Another was when he I just took him for a walk, as soon as i come in i release his leash, grab the bag of laundry go straight to the laundry room, put clothes in, come back out and see the presents he left.

Im not a hypocrite. Im saying stop judging people. You assume if some says one thing it means another.

I asked advice on getting Bronson's ear clipped and most of all i recieved was question this question that? Why this, why that? I didnt you this why didnt you that? If you was responcible or did your research you'd know... And Im like O.K... I did. I did, been did. I mean it gets rediculous. Stop acting like saints and stop assuming and saying the worse.

Poor poor dog? My mom gave away my dog when i was 12 because he kept peeing in the house, even though he was a great dog. So... Instead of ridiculing her, how about you just get to the point and say " well get rid of it" Dont try to sound educated about the subject, we all know how hard it is to turn away a puppy once we become attached. Its also an emotional topic... ya'll just seem to forget that sometimes..
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Please stop giving training advice. This is not request from "Y'all" (I assume meaning DT in general) it's a request from ME.
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2. Ive only had to do it 5 times compared to the 15 times he done took a crap in my house!


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Couldn't help myself.
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Interrupt your puppy when you catch him in the act of eliminating in the house.
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Don't punish your puppy for eliminating in the house. If you find a soiled area, it's too late to administer a correction. Just clean it up. Rubbing your puppy's nose in it, taking him to the spot and scolding him, or any other punishment will only make him afraid of you or afraid to eliminate in your presence. In fact, punishment will often do more harm than good.
Clean the soiled area thoroughly. Puppies are highly motivated to continue soiling in areas that smell like urine or feces. Check with your veterinarian or pet store for products designed specifically to clean areas soiled by pets."
^^ This!

Rubbing your dogs nose in feces is not only extremely disgusting, but also a form of abuse!!

Your dog will think that by rubbing his nose in it, you do not like poop, not that you do not like him pooping in the house. He will then, out of courtesy for you, hide where he poops so you won't see it and put his FACE in his own excrement!! Sorry, but I cannot stress how much this repulses me!! Do you know where dogs put their noses? He could have easily wiped poop all over your house...

The PROPER and actually EFFECTIVE way to teach a dog to do anything, is to show him what he is doing wrong, and RIGHT AFTER, show him how to do it RIGHT!!

ZeldaRules already stated the proper method, so I won't repeat it..

Lastly, a little story..

I knew a woman that kept telling us to use this method on Brandy because it "really worked".. What she didn't know was that her dogs left little presents around the house in spots that she couldn't see easily, as they were terrified of her giving them a poop facial. Her house was nasty...
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Couldn't help myself.
he/she is from Maryland. it's pretty common around here.
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Monicaei CAN read, and ALSO enjoys referring to herself in the third person (wait, is an Internet pseudonym actually FOURTH person?) Look, we have something in common

Monicaei likes to believe that Monicaei is not ignorant, but Monicaei could be wrong.
Considering that all ignorant means is lacking information, if you are indeed ignorant about another user, it's not really your fault. It'd actually be kind of creepy if you knew information about people here that they haven't shared lol.


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he/she is from Maryland. it's pretty common around here.
It's pretty common around here, too. That doesn't mean that it is proper sentence structure, though.
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Excellent point, all I know about that user is the "rub nose in poop" issue.

Monicaei IS ignorant regarding the J+B training plan. Monicaei is happy about that

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Uh so all the poop into face smearing aside (which is absolutely 100% unacceptable) back to the orginal topic at hand.

I can't and don't speak for any of the previous posters but what I understand from what I've read is that they are trying to get across to you is consitancy is key with any training (potty, obedience, anything). And due to your lifestyle/living arraignment you don't seem equipped to deal with these "issues" your puppy is having. So re-homing seems like the healthier and happier option for both you and the puppy.

Going days without seeing/being with/training with your puppy is not treating him like a king. <------- this appears to be the problem with most of the posters suggestion that you give him up. And they are right. You are not doing a service to this dog. Deaf or otherwise.

I work a fulltime job, a part time job, and have 4 dogs. They are all top priority in life. My husband, heaven love him "deals" with the dogs when I'm at work (much like your mother) does not make them behave the way that I do. But because of MY time and training they are well behaved dogs, although will take advantage of their father.

So my "thanks" go to the posters who have suggested you get the dog to the vet to see if it's a medical issue. Also to those who suggest you either start putting your puppy 1st in your life, or at least closer to the top and if not re-home him, so he can be with an owner who can give him the time he needs.

I'm not really interested in your excuses, because that's what they are. Your puppy sounds housebroken, if he's not having accidents in your house (but since he doesn't sound like he even lives in your house...), and the occassional accident on your balcony doesn't sound like the end of the world . It sounds like you don't want to pick up his "sh*t" because he doesn't go where you want him to.

No I've never had a deaf dog. But my current puppy, who is also 6 months old is also hand signal trained. Big whoop

Plain and simple this is NOT THE DOGS FAULT. It's yours. You don't want to hear it. If you don't have the time to properly "train" a dog, deaf or not, place it where it can get the love and attention it needs.
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I wasn't going to add to this..Yet as you can see I couldn't help myself. I have been on this forum a number of years and I will say your post(s) I found upsetting. So here I go.....From what I have read and if correctly spacecowboy, you have stated your "PUPPY" doesn't poop in the house. Yet he poops in the yard but not the same place you want him to..... then you said it is alot of work for your "MUM" to pick up the poop all over as there are times you are not there....
Well my thoughts are why is it so important to you to request this of your puppy? Let it go!!! As they say pick your battles and ask yourself is this really the one.... Is he friendly, does he have good nerves, is he good with kids, does he not bite, those are ones I would more be concerned with and work on if it was a no to any of those.
Why don't you look at all the other good qualities he has and does. As for zoomies as you mentioned in your other posts they go hand in hand with a dober till the end, like bread and butter, that seemed to be an issue as well.
You mention the amount of feces that should be looked into...regardless of in the same spot or not the same amount needs to be picked up. Pick it up part of being a deligent dog owner.
I really don't see a problem with different areas of pooping in the yard. If you took a pole of a thousand dogs of all breeds I am sure majority of owners would say they poop wherever in the backyard and are quite happy it isn't in the house.
My one point that I would like to make is that he is still a baby, and please type in on the internet reasons one shouldn't tie there puppy/dog/doberman in the back yard ever and leave them outside for long periods of time...especially pups (babies)
That is my helpful input I think.
Also why did you bring another dog into the mix at the point when you were training a pup. Just to point out you and your mum are now picking up two dogs output. If you were concerned about the work and amount why get another.....just wondering. (fair question I think) I hope it wasn't for hoping that it would train the pup as that is your job. Kinda like when a couple are having marriage problems and they think another child will help bring them back together "not"

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Do your deaf puppy a favor and contact Aztec Doberman Rescue in San Diego.

Here's the link:

Aztec Doberman Rescue Main page

I'm from SD. I know this rescue group. They're good people. They can give him the attention and training he needs and the love and free-from-abuse life he deserves.

Please. I implore you. Do the right thing. You said you were thrust into this situation anyway and that you wouldn't have chosen this for yourself. So, instead of continuing to live a frustrated, angry existence when you're around this puppy (which he can totally sense, by the way), take a deep breath, think about how the next 8-12 years might go if you're already running into such angering issues with him now that you can't seem to overcome, and call someone who can do right by him.

Please.

If you know ANYTHING about this breed, then you should know:
- Dobermans should NEVER be left outside alone, or even with another dog. They NEED human companionship in order to live a fulfilling life.
- Dobermans need a job. If he's getting the zoomies so much, he's not stimulated enough. He requires more attention and stimuli, and I'm guessing, socialization.
- All of these things listed above are amplified when you're dealing with a deaf puppy. He needs a different owner, a different life, and obviously, different training in order to become the WORKING dog he's intended to be.

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I'll state one more time, NOT ONE TIME HAS HIS OR ANY DOG IVE EVER OWN NOSE HAS TOUCHED FECES!" . I only stated that I did the same thing the OP did.
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There is no need to be rude. I think the first step would be to take him to the vet. I have had a dog that kept eliminating and somehow couldn't grasp the basics of toilet training by 6 months and in the end it turned out that she had tumours and kidney failure. I had to make the difficult decision to put her down. Be sure that no health issues are causing this behaviour, otherwise training will more or less be futile.

Having lived in Mexico the last year and a half, and been involved in rescuing cats while I was there, I just want to add a few things... please understand that in Mexico:

- Most of the products you recommend are not available and cannot be imported (they will be confiscated by customs)
- There's no such thing as a Dobermann or any other kind of purebred rescue or society. In fact...
- There is no such thing as a rescue or 'shelter'. There are only rabies control centers where stray dogs are taken and euthanized within a week if they don't find a home. There are some people who "rescue" but many of them are hoarders and have no experience whatsoever with training dogs etc.
- It is hard to find a good vet, and if you yourself don't know which tests to ask for, they will most likely send you off with some random prescription in the hope that it works out in the end.

Good luck.
Thank you. The fact that you understand part of the situation I am stuck in is rather comforting. It's a beautiful thing when someone uses a big portion of their brain to analyze the situation as a whole rather than letting their emotions get the best out of them and snap at the opposing poster for not raising their doberman in a manger like Christ.

You all have me laughing and thanks for proving my point about teaming up, you know who you are. Jayden+Bronson came here merely to express her thoughts/results on her particular training method and here is the lot of you arguing like a toddler about who is more ignorant. ZeldaRules you said what you had to say so you can ditch this thread now. I had respect for you prior to this but after picking on another users "ignorance" for her particular way of typing as she pleases in otherwise meaningless forum post, you can rest assured its all gone. My particular suggestion is that you consider retiring from your occupation as a full time "dobemom" and look for job in the English department somewhere. You'd be doing many of us a favor and be contributing much more to this world than you are now. Just my two cents, I'm still entitled to an opinion here right?! Or is it invalid because I'm not a full time "dobedad" who works from home and spends all day with my velcro dog beside me at all times?

Once again, back on topic. I realize I am to blame for not dedicating as much time as I'd like, hence why I came on here to ask for valid suggestions/training methods as to how to deal with this issue given my certain circumstances. Surely there has to be something that works out there for me and my canine companion -- or wait, whats that? The only viable option is to rehome him? Alright then, I guess problems can't be solved in many ways after all.

To the person who asked what I feed him, I clearly stated it what brand and flavor I feed him. Look for it. I'm not going to repeat myself because you didn't take the time to read or hold your hand through the CTRL + F method.

AlyssaN, I clearly made the wrong decision by not euthanizing him when I found out he was deaf right? Oh woe is me, curse me now and in the afterlife. Once again, thank you for your interest in this thread. Please come again when you try training a deaf dog. Anyone can give their dogs verbal command and follow through with that with a hand signal. I mean ANYONE. Teaching a certain behavior from scratch for EVERY action with certain SPECIFIC hand signals for each is harder than you can imagine, darling. Not just for a 19 year old. Case closed, suitcase filled with clothes.

I have mentioned that my mom is not fully supportive of a big breed dog as the dobe being a full time indoor dog, but I'm sure I can change her mind If I get him to get used to eliminating in a specific area when he is outside before moving him into the house and having him alert when he needs to go outside would really simplify things. Baby steps, I believe is what you call such process?

It is important for him to not eliminate in the balcony for everyone has clear sight of this area and would not look rather unpleasant to every guest. Not to mention it is close to where his dog house is and it yards away from the nearest wash station, which just so happens to be in the rear end of the backyard by the designated area. Would simplify the pick up process by a huge margin. Once again, appreciate the positive responses. Please continue my enlightening of the various existing potty training methods. No one has elaborated on crate training at this stage, hell, he rarely fits in it. Think its time for a new one, but at the same time he doesn't get transported from point A to B as he did when he was younger.

SpaceCowboy is not yet giving up on him, simple figurative language.

P.S: Wah wah is all my mind translates most of these rehome him posts. If you care about him so much come rescue him yourself. I can't help but chuckle at how you ignore that he is in Mexico and flame me for not being able to take care of a deaf dog as if you could do any better, or even a shelter. I DOUBT deaf dobermans are common and find it hard to believe he would receive first class care in a shelter. I could be wrong, but as I said, so are a majority of you as you'd discard him on the spot upon birth/after finding out he is deaf and could give a rats nest about him a creature being euthanized. I'm not one to wish bad things upon people, but somehow I hope you find yourself in the situation I find myself in, dealing with any deaf creature. Only then, and maybe only then you'll understand. As I mentioned before, thank that others persons post and if he can't be trained in a specific amount of time I will discard all my current progress and find a place to take him in. Once again, let me make this clear as some of you don't seem to understand. I dont rub his nose on the actual feces. I just INCH him towards it. Big difference, I like to think. I have mentioned that I have no other problem with him other than him eliminating whenever and wherever at all times. I don't mind its 7 times a day, I mind that I have to pick up 5 out of 7 in the balcony and 1 is somewhere else, and the other close to the designated spot. None in the actual designated spot. He doesn't bite, he doesn't talk back, he doesn't chase every other living creature and he doesn't jump up at people. Something that could not be said about some of your particular dobermans. Puppy, Senior, Blind or deaf.

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Dude, if the dog lives outside and you aren't around... WTH do you want? Magic? Appropriate potty training is WORK. He's not pooping in the house. He doesn't even live in the house. I don't think we can send him an email with a diagram of your yard and his dog house with a big red X that marks the spot
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