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Old 10-10-2012, 06:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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6 month old is peeing everywhere... as in e-ver-y-where...

So... I've been having a (somewhat) minor problem with my puppy peeing in its sleep. You can read all about it here.

She is now almost 6 months old and last night she was laying on her blanket and I was thinking that it seemed like things were getting better. She hadn't had any major bed-wets in a while and she hadn't had an actual "accident" in the house in quite some time. Unfortunately, little did I know that she had just pee'd all over the house. And by "all over the house", I literally mean "all over the house". She had quietly snuck out of the room while I was watching TV and pee'd around the entire kitchen table, and then all the way from the dining room to the front door (through the whole living room). This is the first time anything even remotely like that has happened. Aside from her bed-wetting (while asleep), she has rarely had any accidents at all in the house... maybe a handful in the months that we've had her. And now, she just pee'd across half my house all at once.

So today I was on the net trying to figure out what's might have caused it, when my wife calls me and says that she pee'd again... and once again.... ALLLLL over the house. This time it was all the way up and down the hallway leading to the bedrooms and into two different bedrooms.

Two days in a row. Two MASSIVE accidents the size of a freaking oil spill. It took me almost an hour to clean each of them up.

After the events of her original bed-wetting problem (see thread link above), I took her to the vet to get her urine tested. They said she had a little bit of puss in her urine and so they put her on a week of antibiotics. That was a few weeks ago. Now, the only thing I can think to do is bring her back to see if maybe the antibiotics didn't work.

She's not exhibiting any other signs of a problem. No (visible) pain during urination, no attempts to urinate that don't produce anything, no unusual behavior before hand. She just up and pee's everywhere.

If anyone has any ideas at all what might be causing this, I'd love to hear them, because right now, I'm at the end of my rope with this dog.

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Old 10-10-2012, 06:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sometimes it take a few rounds of antibiotics to get rid of a UTI. I would take her to the vet again.
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Vet check again for UTI. She isn't spayed yet is she?
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Vet check again for UTI. She isn't spayed yet is she?
Forgot to mention... yes, she is already spayed. We spayed her pretty early.

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Perhaps spay incontinence. I don't have a female but many have success with Proin.
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That sounds more like a UTI than spay incontinence, but it is possible. It can take some pretty heavy duty antibiotics to get rid of a UTI. Also ask them to check out her vulva and see if it is inverted - that can cause issues also and is why I like a bitch to go through one heat before spaying. I'm no vet, but it truly sounds like a medical issue and not somethings she is doing deliberately - UTI's hurt!
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:00 PM   #7 (permalink)
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This issue is still happening and we're just about ready to get rid of this dog.

Almost like clockwork, once a week, she pees everywhere. The room(s) she pees in and the amount varies, but it's a regular occurrence. Today she did it again across the entire house. Everywhere except the bedrooms.

I've taken her to the vet more times than I can remember. Had several urine analyses done (they're coming back clean now). Gone through a few courses of anti-biotics. Had a bladder x-ray (turned up nothing). And did a two week course of Proin, and she pee'd all over while halfway through it.

It's to the point that I'm not even sure this is a medical issue and not just a behavioral issue.

My wife is pregnant and it literally hurts her to try to clean up this stuff, so when it happens while I'm at work, it's more than she can even handle.

If anyone has ANY ideas, I'm open to them. If I don't find a solution to this very soon, I'm going to have to give up on this animal.

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If I had a puppy like that, there would be little to NO unsupervised time for the puppy. That might mean puppy mighyt be tethered to me or spend a bit more time in a crate so I could do work on a computer, housework, etc. I would also set a timer and get hour more often even every 20-30 minutes if need be.
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:46 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I agree with the puppy probation regime. Because she's had some UTI problems, it may be that she has to "remember" house training again. She may associate peeing outside with pain or peeing in general with pain so she holds it until she can't any more. So puppy probation, timed outside visits, and no unsupervised time. Even if you are just going to the bathroom the pup then goes into a crate and peeing outside is a huge celebration, treats joy happiness etc! Which of course means she doesn't go outside without you or someone there to make sure she pees and gets rewarded. Normally puppy probation lasts around a month or longer so it's not a one week fix and it's a pain but it does help in my experience.
Sometimes they get excited and forget what outside is for too, my dog does that even now, she'll be excited about a critter or a smell and I will have to take her out a few minutes later because she was too distracted the first time around.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I gotta say, I don't really think this has anything to do with house-training. She isn't squatting when she pees inside.... she's just walking and peeing while she wanders around. And she goes pee outside ALL the time. I probably still take her out every hour or so even though she's 7-months, and she doesn't show the slightest bit of hesitation to pee (even multiple times in one trip outside).

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I know you said that she has tested clear for UTI but this really sounds like a UTI problem to me. Our girl had several UTI's and my first clue as to when it was coming on was peeing/squatting repeatedly outside. She also would have moments where she would be running around the house and peeing a river. She had no control while she was sick but after just a day or so on antibiotics would be much improved. Has your pup gotten better regarding this behavior while on antibiotics?
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Old 11-21-2012, 06:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Has your pup gotten better regarding this behavior while on antibiotics?
It's really hard to tell. The times we've had her on anti-biotics, she was fine, but then right when she came off them, she'd pee again. I couldn't tell if that was from her being off the anti-biotics or if that was just her usual "time table". She pees like this every week-ish, and that's how long the anti-biotics last. Even since we haven't had her on anti-biotics for a while (and while she was on the Proin), she still does it around once a week.

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Old 11-21-2012, 08:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I would go back to basics on house training. No unsupervised time, frequent potty breaks (every half hour when awake), go out after eating, napping, etc. After a UTI or multiple UTIs she may have forgotten, she is just a young one.

If you are ready to give up on her, might as well now so maybe the breeder will have a chance of placing her in a home while she is still a puppy. I can't imagine how hard it must be to have a Doberman puppy when pregnant, let alone when you will soon have a newborn on your hands.

Good luck, whatever you decide.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:05 PM   #14 (permalink)
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When the urine was checked for UTI was the specific gravity tested as well? It sounds like there may be some problems with the concentration which means huge volumes of urine occasionally. If she goes on a floor are you able to tell if it is concentrated(yellow vs clearer?). My Dutch Shepherd was like that as a young dog. It seemed to improve as she matured but it was a bit stressful when she was young. Just an idea.
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