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Old 07-10-2012, 11:06 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I think the OP needs to consider that a 5-6 month old doberman is a LOT more energetic, a LOT faster and a LOT more likely to get really "creative" about being naughty. They've just seen the tip of the iceberg in terms of how difficult it is to raise a doberman puppy. If they're overwhelmed now, it's only going to get MUCH worse.
Yeah, you can pretty well give up on chasing after a 5-6 month dobie pup, hahaha.
OP, aside from early puphood, you still have dober teens to contend with and a toddler crawling around on the floor, and a uncoordinated 50lbs of dober joy. I cant really comment on child raising as we have no kids, but I do know, I wouldnt have a dober pup and baby at the same time. my nerves would be frazzled. Unfortunately the dog always looses in these situations because I am sure the moment, your pup growls or gives lip smack towards your baby, you will be giving her , her walking papers.
I am only stressing the hard facts because, you are having difficulty with such minor puppy stuff.
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:02 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I guess its time to add my comments here. We also have a puppy..she is 12 weeks old and was born and raised here in our house/yard. It is possible to successfully raise pups with other dogs and or babies in the household, with some rules and a lot of attention. One of our rules is that the pup never goes outside without a drag line or harness and leash and a human close by, and the other dogs are very rarely allowed in the yard at the same time, and only for brief moments. In the house, Goldie is separated from the other dogs and from most of the house by combinations of cloth and wire xpens or closed doors with human companion. She is allowed in one room with humans and other dogs..but the other dogs are restricted to lying on the sofa. After many years with dobes, one very strict rule we have is to never chase the dog...lure and run away or distract is the only option. But, in addition, we are completely fenced, have dog runs, and live far from vehicular traffic. Whether or not you can successfully raise your dobe pup and a human baby totally depends on how you set up your time and space. If you find that you are getting irritable and depressed, it should give you a powerful message. Even with our arrangements, I need a time out for myself, and I still find myself irritable and annoyed when Goldie starts chewing on my shoelaces. She has tons of great toys...but a little hot sauce works great on the laces. We make every effort to distract rather than to correct. Look for something that your pup really loves as a treat...there must be something she can't resist...chicken breast or the Round Barn type salami style dog food found at feed stores, or ?. You are probably right about lack of early socialization, so that will require even more work to overcome, but if this is something really important to you, it can be done and there are people here who have lots of experience that will be willing to help. Raising a pup to be a good citizen is a huge task, even without a new baby....I'm certain that is the major concern of the folks on the forum.
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Just one thing that hadn't been mentioned (I too vote rescue, but that's a personal choice and you have received plenty of advice)... You said in the training sessions you have tried, shes not particually responsive to treats. Some dogs aren't terribly food driven. Our puppy wasnt. But her red squeaky ball. Man, she's do a backflip if that was the reward. Find a reward she will work for if what you are using hasn't been working.
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I should have added that although our puppies were socialized to the Max, they still loved the outside...and the more outside possible..when in the run they wanted in the in yard Xpen, and when in there they wanted out in the big yard, and then they went directly to the fence line...Its a very interesting world "out there" and although our pups were raised in the bedroom and the kitchen and massaged and cuddled all day long, they still loved outside and all the tastes and smells and sounds of nature....so it seems normal to me that your pup prefers to be outside...
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I already have baby gates. I want to try to work on these small issues i have for just a bit before tossing in the towel. I know some of you dont think thats the responsible thing to do but most people throw away there dogs at first sight of problems and im just not one of those people. I will admit if i cant handle it then yes best thing is to place her elsewhere. I just need to lock my other dog up or send her to my fathers house for a couple hours each day and get some good 1 on 1 with her without my other dog.
But see, you are talking to people who don't toss their dog by the wayside when things get tough. Some of the people who gave you advice have or have had reactive dogs or dogs with major issues. They are the ones who know just how much work a dobe can be when "normal", much less one with improper socialization or other issues.

I completely understand not wanting to give up a puppy that you love. But once the baby comes you now have to be able to control a rambunctious puppy AND train the puppy AND exercise the puppy AND take care of a baby that can't do anything for itself AND possibly have to take care of the two separately if you cannot trust your puppy is trained enough to be gentle around the baby (and you certainly can never leave the two in a room together unsupervised even for a second). All of this in addition to your other dog, and keeping the puppy seperated from that dog as well. That's a lot of "and"s.

That sounds overwhelming to me, and I don't have a puppy or a baby currently. I can't imagine actually doing it! Sometimes the right answer is the hard answer. I wish you the best of luck as you make your decision.
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I would have to echo some of the other comments, this is a dog from poor breeding, that you're having a hard time with now. As your dog gets older, he will be significantly harder to work with, especially with a newborn on the way. It will simply not be possible to spend the amount of time needed with your pup, with a newborn. Won't happen. I would consider rehoming while he is still young and easy to place, by contacting a local rescue. This is not failing, it's doing the responsible thing, and keeping your pups best interests in mind.
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I agree with what everyone else has said. If you're feeling overwhelmed now, it's not going to get any easier for quite a while - and I'm not even factoring in you having a new baby too.

This puppy, all on her own, is not going to get easier for a while. So, imagine your frustration now...plus the adjustments and stress of being a new parent. Makes me cringe to imagine, quite honestly. I would contact a rescue for help finding her a new home.

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I would have to echo some of the other comments, this is a dog from poor breeding, that you're having a hard time with now. As your dog gets older, he will be significantly harder to work with, especially with a newborn on the way. It will simply not be possible to spend the amount of time needed with your pup, with a newborn. Won't happen. I would consider rehoming while he is still young and easy to place, by contacting a local rescue. This is not failing, it's doing the responsible thing, and keeping your pups best interests in mind.
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I am going to echo what everyone else said. I would say its possible to do both but only if you already had a child and had an idea of what to already expect. You say this is your first child? On top of that adding a poorly bred high energy Doberman? That is under socialized. A pup that needs more work than a dobe pup that is from great breeding and socialized.

Rehome her, wait a few months, spend time with your child and get Used to having a baby around and once you get the hang of that find a rescue dobe older in age that does great with children. I think first time dobe owners do well with owning an adult first so that when they get a puppy later they have an idea how to raise them.

If she isn't socialize with humans in general I can't imagine what she might be like with a new born. She is still adjusting to her new home on top of the added emotions of a baby on the way and the emotions when they baby arrives. Wow, as a puppy that is from not so great breeding I can't imagine how that's going to feel.
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I just want to add that the longer you wait, the harer it may be to find a home and the more bad habits she's going to develop. I believe it is in her best interst to rehome her now vs later.
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Well thanks for the advice. She isnt a terrorist puppy and i actually left to do shopping today and came home and she wasnt barking at all. She isnt chewing on things. She knows the word No. She is doing terrific at potty training since she is getting used to going out at the same time as my other pooch. She isnt mouthing anymore. I guess with pregnancy the little things were getting to me. Which is understandable and i know everyone thinks its the best idea to rehome her but your figuring on me ALONE taking care of her and raising her. When i have a boyfriend who works with her and can tend to taking her out in the yard a couple times a day and draining her energy while i take care of the newborn and visa versa and spending time with training. I know a newborn is going to take up 90% of my time the first few months and this is where im glad to have a good boyfriend who loves animals that can take up my slack when im worn out. Its not impossible to raise her right just bit a little more difficult is all. If in 2 weeks i dont feel i can handle the situation or things get worse instead of better with working with her then i will consider the options of rehoming or rescue. I sat down last night with her and finally got her interested in the treats and she learned to sit within a matter of minutes. So it isnt like she isnt smart i think its more so she had to many distractions.
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1. STOP chasing her.
2. Enroll in obedience ASAP
3. Make everything happy and positive (including the crate)
4. SEPARATE her from other dog. Spend time with her and only her
5. Give her LOTS of controlled exercise (ie walking on leash twice a day, playing fetch, hide and seek,etc -all ALONE, no other dogs)
6. Purchasing a book or two on how to raise a puppy would not be a bad idea either

Good luck & if you do decide to rehome, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE find a reputable doberman rescue (before its too late). If problems are arising and not being fixed right away, she will only get worse and the harder it will be on her later.
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I personally wouldn't look at it as failure to rehome this pup, but rather, doing what's in the best interests of the puppy. You will be overwhelmed when the baby comes. It will be easy for a rescue to rehome her now, and the challenges of dealing with a puppy with her issues (stemming from poor breeding) with the high stress life of a new baby in the house are probably insurmountable. You'd be giving her the best possible chance to have a great life if you rehomed her now.
I agree completely. Doing what is best for the puppy is more important than keeping her so you don't "feel like a failure". Acting responsibly is not failing.
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I know a newborn is going to take up 90% of my time the first few months and this is where im glad to have a good boyfriend who loves animals that can take up my slack when im worn out.
The problem with this thought is that when you're worn out, he will be taking up the slack with your BABY, not to mention helping you with all of the other tasks you're probably going to be do tired to do like the dishes, the laundry, the cleaning, the cooking, the groceries, etc.
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The breeder of this dog should be PTS. Sorry. Just had to say it. It's unexcusable to place a high-drive, poorly bred, unsocialized pup in this situation. I do realize that you want to work with this dog, but please realize that this situation will likely get worse before it gets better.

I hate to be a debby downer, and I want to be supportive, but I say rehome while the dog is young and has a chance. If you wait until the dober-teens, or the terrible twos to decide that you can't work with this dog, then the dog is SOL.
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:00 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I agree with everyone who said this was a BAD idea, and i wouldn't attempt it for a million dollars, we've all made mistakes and as long as you're trying to make it work I hope the advice I can offer is of some help to you.

With the recall and bonding issue. I think you need to take more control of puppys world. Work on training with simple commands. Once your pup has a simple grasp on a couple commands, you can start making it work for things. run through commands before puppy gets anything good. feed by hand, hold onto her favorite toys and give them only after shes "earned" them, when you take her outside keep her on a long leash but only let out the leash once she has run through her commands. keeping her on the leash will give her no other choice than coming when called. Always smother with treats and praise when she gets to you. never scold a dog for coming to you, even if she didn't listen and you had to rein her in by her leash.

For the constant barking, you have to ignore it. Giving her what she wants when shes barking will be a very bad idea. dobes are smart and learn things quickly so if you give into her even a couple times, you're gonna have a heck of a time breaking the habit. Use her kennel and chews and kongs to quiet her down. kennel can NOT be used as punishment, but if you through a yummy treat in there and close the door, she will WANT to get in there with it. having a dobe puppy ok with spending time by itsself is gonna be extremely important for a breed that bonds so closely with their humans and is so sensitive it can make them more susceptable to separation anxiety, so using the crate in a positive way to your advantage is in your best interest.
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Well after everything ive read here and as much as i think i could handle her i did decide to rehome her. Fate kinda tossed that at me. I was on my facebook and someone on my facebook a doberman owner was looking for a puppy. They lost there dobie at age 15 and she said it had been long enough they could open there hearts and home to another doberman. So she went home with her last night.

She has a Yorkie and a another dobie as a brother and sister. She fell instantly in love with lexy. So i guess it was meant to be. I was like what would be the odds of logging on my facebook to find that and she only lived 30 miles from me. So she is with someone who has alot of time and dobie experiance that can properly handle her.

Maybe in a couple years ill try again when things calm down and not so hecktic.
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I agree with all above posters in regards to the puppy (for advice) Have you taken a hard look at your up coming future? No one has really said anything about becoming a new mom. Your life is going to change drastically (yes it will return to normal in time) there is no sleep, your body needs to heal, the baby might be colicy, if you are going to breastfeed that starts off for an hour almost on the hour 2 in between if your lucky (you and baby will have to learn how to do this). there is lots more fun stuff but lets say its a life changer that takes time to get used to. adding a puppy who also takes work to end up with a good behaved dog is not easy. you will be tired and not have a lot of time for anything else never mind the dog. it is doable, i got a puppy when my 2nd child was only 3 months old...... but then I knew what is was doing with a baby the 2nd time around. we are lucky we ended up with ''laid'' back puppy and with the help of my husband i was able to make the time for training. Good luck in your decision
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Good stuff , I am sure you made the right decision and you will have dober paws in your family when it is more appropriate for everyone involved.
You made a brave decision and I am sure you will be rewarded.
Enjoy your new baby.
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Well after everything ive read here and as much as i think i could handle her i did decide to rehome her. Fate kinda tossed that at me. I was on my facebook and someone on my facebook a doberman owner was looking for a puppy. They lost there dobie at age 15 and she said it had been long enough they could open there hearts and home to another doberman. So she went home with her last night.

She has a Yorkie and a another dobie as a brother and sister. She fell instantly in love with lexy. So i guess it was meant to be. I was like what would be the odds of logging on my facebook to find that and she only lived 30 miles from me. So she is with someone who has alot of time and dobie experiance that can properly handle her.

Maybe in a couple years ill try again when things calm down and not so hecktic.
well at least you can see her on fb...
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Thank you for considering the needs of this puppy first, I'm sure she will be very happy in her new home and you will have time to concentrate on being a great first time mom.
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Candytzu, thank you for making what I believe to be the best choice for you and for the pup. I don't think that you're a failure and you shouldn't feel like you are - rehoming the dog was in the best interest of everyone involved. Hopefully once your baby is old enough you can start an adventure with a new dobe :]
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When I got my first dobie pup she was only six week old. At 9 weeks old I had her in a "Beginning Puppy" training class. Next came "Advanced Puppy," "Puppy Agility," "Adult Obedience" and "Beginning Agility" then another obedience class. Each class was 8 weeks long. She went to training classes once a week nearly the entire first year of her life.

Your puppy needs to learn to sit and stay. Then you can teach her to come. Get a long lead, 26', and have her sit and stay. (You may need your husband's help to keep her in place). Get out the length of the lead from her, then call her. Always use the same command, be consistent. When she runs to you, reward her hugely. Never punish a dog you have called to come to you or call them and then do something they don't like, such as clilpping toenails, always make coming to you a very pleasant thing. This is the most important command you can teach your dog, it can save her life.

You have to know HOW to train a dog before you can train a dog. Do you know how? Do you have the time or interest to learn how?

I'm sorry, but this is frustrating to me. People expect a puppy to be perfect, yet most people are so far from perfect it isn't even funny.

This is a puppy. She's like a little kid. And she's going to be tricky to manage for a couple of years, probably.
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Oh, I posted the above comment before I realized you'd given her away. Sounds like you found her a good home where she'll be happy. My main concern is always for the dog, because they're helpless and at our mercy. I'm not sure a dobie puppy is such a good idea for you. Not for a few years, anyway.
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Good for you! I bet it was hard, but I think you made a good decision.
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Well the good thing is. She is going to send me pictures and updates and we are now friended on fb and shes with someone who has owned dobermans all her life. It turns out her dobie that passed away at 15 was a fawn dobie as well and she couldnt have been more excited. We talked for over a hour about the pup and her and her other dogs and she has no kids and alot of time and knows they can be destructive. I guess her past dobie when he was a pup ate her couch lol. So she is well aware of the puppy habits lol. Yeah so in a few years when everything is settled down maybe ill try again. I just feel i let myself down and the puppy because i got her i knew i was in for a challenge and i was up for it. I just never got a dog and had to find them a new home. Working with rescues along time ago i seen it all to people get dogs and get rid of them due to there lifestyle and it was sad so i feel like one of those terrible dog owners. So i guess that was the hardest thing about letting her go. Atleast she was young and will adapt fast.
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