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Old 11-10-2012, 03:30 PM   #26 (permalink)
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My newest Dobie is now 8 months old. We did not crop or tape his ears. He is not a show dog, he is our dog and I love him the way he is. I laugh when he runs to me with both ears flopped back, looks like is he is keeping them back with barrettes. This the natural state of the dog and he is beautiful.
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I get so tired of hearing "It's hopeless beyond 12 weeks."

The vets around here won't crop UNTIL the dog is 12 weeks old, and one waits until 14 weeks. They have an excellent success rate.

There seems to be an attitude on this board that everyone knows better than the vet because "vets don't learn this in vet school, so the breeders know more about it". My vet has been doing this for 30 years. He knows more about the dog's anatomy, blood flow, etc....he knows more about the health of a doberman than a group of breed enthusiasts on a web board. And yes, he does know more about cropping, too. MUCH MORE. Sorry, but that needed to be said.

If you are worried about whether or not you can crop your dobie at 12, 13, 14 weeks, and you feel you MUST look it up on the internet, Google "Successful cropping 12 weeks", or "why vet says it's better to wait until 12 weeks to crop", etc. You'll get a slew of results saying why it's ok.

But better yet: ASK YOUR VET. Step away from the computer and ask a real life veterinarian who crops about cropping. He/she will know more about it than anyone here, I promise.

By the way, my dog was cropped at 11 weeks and not posted until 12 weeks, after the stitches were removed. After 3 days her ears were almost standing completely on their own. They are doing fantastic.



At ease with your ill-informed tangent. Your vet must be good in bed, I can't think of any other logical reason as to why you are adamantly defending a professional that thinks all ears are created equal.
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I get so tired of hearing "It's hopeless beyond 12 weeks."

The vets around here won't crop UNTIL the dog is 12 weeks old, and one waits until 14 weeks. They have an excellent success rate.

There seems to be an attitude on this board that everyone knows better than the vet because "vets don't learn this in vet school, so the breeders know more about it". My vet has been doing this for 30 years. He knows more about the dog's anatomy, blood flow, etc....he knows more about the health of a doberman than a group of breed enthusiasts on a web board. And yes, he does know more about cropping, too. MUCH MORE. Sorry, but that needed to be said.

If you are worried about whether or not you can crop your dobie at 12, 13, 14 weeks, and you feel you MUST look it up on the internet, Google "Successful cropping 12 weeks", or "why vet says it's better to wait until 12 weeks to crop", etc. You'll get a slew of results saying why it's ok.

But better yet: ASK YOUR VET. Step away from the computer and ask a real life veterinarian who crops about cropping. He/she will know more about it than anyone here, I promise.

By the way, my dog was cropped at 11 weeks and not posted until 12 weeks, after the stitches were removed. After 3 days her ears were almost standing completely on their own. They are doing fantastic.
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Burns, I'm in vet tech school and one of my teachers said that the best time to crop is between 16-23 weeks. She also said its so painful and traumatic for puppies to go through and it's just horrible. This same teacher also talked about how cool warlock dobermans are.

This is the terrible information they are teaching us in vet tech school. Luckily I know better, but the general population of the student body...just, wow...
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My pup was cropped at 7 weeks. The cutoff is 12 weeks. If they won't crop until after, they probably won't do a good crop job anyways.
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Burns, I'm in vet tech school and one of my teachers said that the best time to crop is between 16-23 weeks. She also said its so painful and traumatic for puppies to go through and it's just horrible. This same teacher also talked about how cool warlock dobermans are.

This is the terrible information they are teaching us in vet tech school. Luckily I know better, but the general population of the student body...just, wow...
I hear ya. I'm a licensed tech and they never taught us anything in school about cropping. What's even scarier is when people are taught the completely wrong thing. It's no wonder the public is so misinformed
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I've noticed the icon that says REP, but have no idea what it did. How does it work?

Ooh, I just now noticed that when you scroll over the little green lights under your information, it mentions stuff like "has a reputation beyond repute" or " has much to be proud of", and stuff like that.
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I've only ever tried to give negative rep once or twice over the years, but it always smacks my fingers and tells me I'm too thanks-happy and am not allowed to give out any more reputation for 24 hours.

By then, my "thanks" addiction has always won, and I've forgotten about it anyway, so it's never happened, and likely never will

On the vet tech thing--some of the worst pet owners I've ever known were techs. For that matter, I've known some pretty awful pet owners who were vets. We've even seen some craptastic breeders come on this forum, who were vets, and trying to use that to excuse their BYB practices.

Just goes to show--someone's role, profession, or position of authority does not always equal good judgement and good character.
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Is "thanks" the same as positive rep?
To this software, apparently.

I just tried to experimentally click and give you positive rep and the message that comes up is "You have given too much reputation in the past 24 hours, please try again later," or something very similar. (End of the day, short term memory is fried.)

That would be the finger smacking I recall from the other couple times I've ever tried to give either positive or negative.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:59 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Darn. I gotta like you dog folks less.

How long do I have to go with no "thanks" to give negative rep, and how explicit can I be with the reasons.????

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Old 11-10-2012, 11:08 PM   #45 (permalink)
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On the vet tech thing--some of the worst pet owners I've ever known were techs. For that matter, I've known some pretty awful pet owners who were vets. We've even seen some craptastic breeders come on this forum, who were vets, and trying to use that to excuse their BYB practices.

Just goes to show--someone's role, profession, or position of authority does not always equal good judgement and good character.
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Ooooh, potential fun!

Who gets to read the reason given?
Yeah, I tried that too and it told me I had given out too much reputation - wait for 24 hrs.

Well that's just plain stupid.
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Ooooh, potential fun!

Who gets to read the reason given?
If you get negative rep from someone, the reason is listed in your user CP along with any recent thanks. Ask me how I know I don't even remember the reasons these posters gave for negarepping me.
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If you get negative rep from someone, the reason is listed in your user CP along with any recent thanks. Ask me how I know I don't even remember the reasons these posters gave for negarepping me.
Aw, I'm kinda jealous. All I've ever gotten is nastygram PMs and wildly inappropriate visitor messages
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Wow, I've never gotten neg rep - you must have been BAD RottenVonSpotten!
I can never give neg rep either, I am too thanks happy!
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