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Old 02-19-2012, 05:41 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I can feel your pain. I prefer my dogs to be crate trained and Kyrah, my dobe kicked my butt at it! I seriously think she is claustrophobic. Not just b/c of the crate there are many other things she does. We still work on crate training and she is 2 1/2yrs old. For now she is fine if she is in it and I am home but I dont leave the house with her in it. She stresses out very badly with heavy panting and drooling. She has never been bad in the house so it has never been a problem. I use a baby gate for separating my dogs when I leave and some other things at times. It is quite cute how they wont jump it when I know that they could clear it.
It's so frustrating. How did you get through the puppy stages with her? Diesel doesn't drool but it definitely stress him out and if he is claustrophobic then I'm going to feel bad if I'm ruining him but I honestly am lost now. I'm not sure what to do.
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There's really no pausing at this stage, he has to sleep for awhile in it and then woken up and YOU control the exit not when they wakeup. The only time, I instantly let him out, is when he sleeps all night and immediately taken outside. I had difficulty with my first dobe, as my ex couldn't handle the whining. My buddy told me yo get a grip on it, cuz its better to have a whining pup , then you crying bcuz they harmed their self because they weren't crate trained.
I completely agree. Ill admit I felt horrible when he first started crying when we first got him but I knew if I let him out it would be a major setback little did I know he would continue that regardless. How long do you think is the longest I should let him cry I'm his crate? I felt bad when I left him there for an hour but if it's not hurting him then I'll keep going.
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We never crated Elka.

When we first brought her home, we put her in the downstairs bathroom (being sure to turn off the water valve for the toilet!) She had a bed in there (that she pulled into the shower) and I'd leave her with a peanut buttery Kong goodie bone. As she got bigger and had fewer accidents, we put a baby gate in the kitchen doorway and let her have that much space. Then, we started letting her own, for short periods of time, and now longer.

Did she cry in the bathroom? For a little while, sometimes. Others she didn't. It was never for hours. She never really cried once we reached the kitchen point. My dog is not everybody's dog, and if we added a second dog, I think that one would be crated. But we didn't do it with Elka.
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Nubis'sDad, I'm shipping all the crying puppies your way please send them back when crate trained

We have the big vari kennel with a blanket.. no dice here. Maybe Axel and Callie can trade crates? haha
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We never crated Elka.

When we first brought her home, we put her in the downstairs bathroom (being sure to turn off the water valve for the toilet!) She had a bed in there (that she pulled into the shower) and I'd leave her with a peanut buttery Kong goodie bone. As she got bigger and had fewer accidents, we put a baby gate in the kitchen doorway and let her have that much space. Then, we started letting her own, for short periods of time, and now longer.

Did she cry in the bathroom? For a little while, sometimes. Others she didn't. It was never for hours. She never really cried once we reached the kitchen point. My dog is not everybody's dog, and if we added a second dog, I think that one would be crated. But we didn't do it with Elka.
Was there a reason you never crated? That's cute that she took the bed in the shower haha how old was she when you got her?
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Nubis'sDad, I'm shipping all the crying puppies your way please send them back when crate trained

We have the big vari kennel with a blanket.. no dice here. Maybe Axel and Callie can trade crates? haha
I wouldn't mind sending Diesel to Nubis's dad for some training. Straighten him out haha I don't think Nubis would enjoy a bunch of puppies bothering his dad though haha
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Was there a reason you never crated? That's cute that she took the bed in the shower haha how old was she when you got her?
We got her at 8 weeks.

Admittedly, we didn't know much about it, and my fiance (who still doesn't know much about it, I daresay) is somewhat against it. Not in a "cruelty" kind of way, I don't think, but kind of in a "doesn't see the point" kind of way. There's very little time in a day in which somebody isn't home and awake. And, actually, once we could trust her inside, she slept with us in bed. So, I'm sleeping for my day job? She comes to bed with me. He's sleeping for his night job? She goes to bed with him when I leave for work (post walk and other morning activities).

The shower bed thing was very cute! I wish I'd taken pictures of it. Especially since she eventually started tearing the beds apart instead
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We got her at 8 weeks.

Admittedly, we didn't know much about it, and my fiance (who still doesn't know much about it, I daresay) is somewhat against it. Not in a "cruelty" kind of way, I don't think, but kind of in a "doesn't see the point" kind of way. There's very little time in a day in which somebody isn't home and awake. And, actually, once we could trust her inside, she slept with us in bed. So, I'm sleeping for my day job? She comes to bed with me. He's sleeping for his night job? She goes to bed with him when I leave for work (post walk and other morning activities).

The shower bed thing was very cute! I wish I'd taken pictures of it. Especially since she eventually started tearing the beds apart instead
Yea I can understand people being against it but it gives me peace of mind knowing he's safe that's my only thing. I never used it for potty training but were going to try the kitchen at least for when we need to do stuff around the house.

Diesel comes to bed with it too. I love having a dog to cuddle with no matter how big they get
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Yea I can understand people being against it but it gives me peace of mind knowing he's safe that's my only thing. I never used it for potty training but were going to try the kitchen at least for when we need to do stuff around the house.

Diesel comes to bed with it too. I love having a dog to cuddle with no matter how big they get
Admittedly, there are times it would be nice we could just send Miss Stompy Bed Hog downstairs to sleep, which crating would allow for. But for the most part, it's nice having her!
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Admittedly, there are times it would be nice we could just send Miss Stompy Bed Hog downstairs to sleep, which crating would allow for. But for the most part, it's nice having her!
love it haha
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2 dogs and neither one could be crate trained, by me.
But if a dog is given a couch to sleep on, and the masters bed at night / some dogs can reason what they like and what they don't like maybe.
Granted, crate training was not something I enjoyed doing or tried to really make work.
- even my son could cry in his crib (if put in early) like he was going to pop an artery or vein in his neck...after 10 minutes, we gave up

Our dogs where never crated when someone was home...only supervised.
My 1977 dobe could turn on the "drive you nuts cry" for 4 hours straight, when I went to work, if crated.
Something had to change:
So I got a 15 ft. chain and secured it to the closed bathroom door handle and closed all the nearby bedroom doors too.
Chained her in the apartment hallway, she had a comfy blanket, food/water and toys.
The crying finally stopped.
- at 12 months old, she was trusted alone in the home / with 1 previously damaged love seat and coffee table corned chewed..O'h-O'h

My 2000 puppy was also only crated when I went to work...Amy was a big crate cryer.
Once she must of tried pawing the door open for hours straight, and did manage to get one of two locks off...she had nice toys in there, she didn't care.
- at 4.5 months old, she was trusted alone in the home...with full access and was good
At 9 years old, she went through a life threating surgury, on IV at the vets in recovery, she cried for several hours...heard throughout the office...they let her go home early...lol.
At 10 y/o, a tooth was extracted, I had her recovery set up on the Vets office floor and I sat with her for hours until I could bring her home early.
She could never be left in a kennel and never would be.
If we have to go somewhere and can't take her (and be gone for several hours)...my neighbor has our house key and lets Amy out.
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Me too I love having her with me! Well.. except for the ridiculous 'chasing rabbits' puppy dream- into my back
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2 dogs and neither one could be crate trained by me...but if a dog is given a couch to sleep on, and the masters bed at night / some dogs can reason what they like and what they don't like maybe.
Granted, crate training was not something I enjoyed doing or tried to really make work.
- even my son could cry in his crib (if put in early) like he was going to pop an artery or vein in his neck...after 10 minutes, we gave up

Our dogs where never crated when someone was home...only supervised.
My 1977 dobe could turn on the "drive you nuts cry" for 4 hours straight, when I went to work, if crated.
Something had to change:
So I got a 15 ft. chain and secured it to the closed bathroom door handle and closed all the nearby bedroom doors too.
Chained her in the apartment hallway, she had a comfy blanket, food/water and toys.
The crying finally stopped.
- at 12 months old, she was trusted alone in the home / with 1 previously damaged love seat and coffee table corned chewed..O'h-O'h

My 2000 puppy was also only crated when I went to work...Amy was a big crate cryer.
Once she must of tried pawing the door open for hours straight, and did manage to get one of two locks off...she had nice toys in there, she didn't care.
- at 4.5 months old, she was trusted alone in the home...with full access and was good
At 9 years old, she went through a life threating surgury, on IV at the vets in recovery, she cried for several hours...heard throughout the office...they let her go home early.
At 10 a tooth was extracted, I had her recovery set up on the Vets office floor and I sat with her for hours until I could bring her home early.
She could never be left in a kennel and never would be.
If we have to go somewhere and can't take her (and be gone for several hours)...my neighbor has our house key and lets Amy out.
I've noticed that a lot of people aren't crate training. I just don't trust him enough for that. He is only in there when we leave the rest of the time he is with us. We haven't been able to go anywhere because of his crying which is why I'm desperate now.
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Thanks Beaumont and Gingergunlock.. I don't feel like a negligent pet owner for not crate training now Your stories are so helpful! I think we'll keep using it for when we absolutely have to leave her alone to run an errand or something, and thats it.
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Oh yes I get those too and the need to sleep on my head at all times haha I got a doberpaw to the face this morning saying "hey mom wake up!"
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I completely agree. Ill admit I felt horrible when he first started crying when we first got him but I knew if I let him out it would be a major setback little did I know he would continue that regardless. How long do you think is the longest I should let him cry I'm his crate? I felt bad when I left him there for an hour but if it's not hurting him then I'll keep going.
You have to establish a starting point. Ie: first start with sleeping throughout the night. Then work from there. Trust me, if you tire the pup out physically, they will cry/bark them self to sleep but the key here is , getting the pup up in the morning before they get up, so you are the first they see, not a lonely crate. Good boy, lets go pee. What I learned from my errors on my first dobe, made crate training my next female easier. Nubis was a breeze, cuz the first night he slept in a big cat crate.than a week later he graduated to a sectioned off jumbo then a few weeks later, he got the whole crate. First night, he slept with the towel he was wrapped in leaving the breeder, and Nubis'sMom sweater. He still loves that sweater.
Also think about this, I can goto Nubis, goto bed I'll grab a bisquit, he heads to the crate without a peep. Sometimes He will whine briefly, goto sleep, another whine , sleep...nothing else.no more talking,
But all of these things were based on a set sleeping schedule, so he eventually learned by pattern.
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You have to establish a starting point. Ie: first start with sleeping throughout the night. Then work from there. Trust me, if you tire the pup out physically, they will cry/bark them self to sleep but the key here is , getting the pup up in the morning before they get up, so you are the first they see, not a lonely crate. Good boy, lets go pee. What I learned from my errors on my first dobe, made crate training my next female easier. Nubis was a breeze, cuz the first night he slept in a big cat crate.than a week later he graduated to a sectioned off jumbo then a few weeks later, he got the whole crate. First night, he slept with the towel he was wrapped in leaving the breeder, and Nubis'sMom sweater. He still loves that sweater.
Also think about this, I can goto Nubis, goto bed I'll grab a bisquit, he heads to the crate without a peep. Sometimes He will whine briefly, goto sleep, another whine , sleep...nothing else.no more talking,
But all of these things were based on a set sleeping schedule, so he eventually learned by pattern.
We've picked up our walking distance which helps a lot with the schedule and knowing when he's going to nap so maybe next time I'll put him in there when we get back and see how that goes. I've always just put him after he's already asleep. I'll put a shirt in there too and his blanket.
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Not only did I sell Amy's crate, a few years ago, her $150 LL.Bean dog bed sits in the trunk of my Jeep now.
Her expensive dog bed was used for 1 week and rejected by her at 9 weeks old.
After our baby was picked up to be held while sitting on the leather couch, every night.
I tried putting prized toys on her bed, but when she walked over, she would grab the toy and head straight for one of her human caregivers.
The little girl (aka bum) enjoyed sleeping on someone...and my wife use to even carry her in her arms (in the home) until she got to heavy.
- her head nuzzled on my wifes heart beat
Her dog bed was gathering dust on the corner of the living room...until it was packed away.
I should of known better and saved our money, because it didn't take our pup long to have us trained, on her needs & wants...lol.
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Not only did I sell Amy's crate, a few years ago, her $150 LL.Bean dog bed sits in the trunk of my Jeep now.
Her expensive dog bed was used for 1 week and rejected by her at 9 weeks old.
After our baby was picked up to be held while sitting on the leather couch.
I tried putting prized toys on her bed, but when she walked over to the dog bed, she would grab the toy and head straight for one of her human caregivers.
The little girl (aka bum) enjoyed sleeping on someone...and my wife use to carry her in her arms (in the home) until she got to heavy...her head nuzzled on my wifes heart beat.
Her dog bed was gathering dust on the corner of the living room...until it was packed away.
I should of known better and saved our money, because it didn't take our pup long to have us trained, on her needs & wants...lol.
- but we did get a character, that we helped create
He doesn't care for his dog bed either haha I didn't get him a nice one for that reason cause I wasn't sure. Diesel definitely has to have a part of him on you while he's sleeping. He loves to sleep with us and be all curled up next to us. Hes slept on me plenty times like an actual baby would. Amy sounds like such a great dog. I love hearing about all your adventures with her.
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I've was a miserable failure at crate training my two dobe boys. We ended up gating them in the kitchen. I only work part time, and have a lot of children, so my boys were rarely alone for too many hours each day. Neither boy ended up destroying anything and both had no separation anxiety issues, so it worked out for us. Monty was out of the kitchen by a year old with free roam of the house, and he has been an angel for the last year. He is super laid back and mellow, other wise he would still be gated. I'm fostering a girl who is crate trained, what a complete pleasure. You tell her...go to your crate, and she does! I think it's a great idea to have them crate trained, you never know when they will need to stay in a small cage at the vets and not freak out the entire time.
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We've picked up our walking distance which helps a lot with the schedule and knowing when he's going to nap so maybe next time I'll put him in there when we get back and see how that goes. I've always just put him after he's already asleep. I'll put a shirt in there too and his blanket.
Double the walk, so he is tired and has less fighting power.
I'm not a crate fiend, I actually hate it, but until my guy can be fully trusted and has no anxiety, being alone for periods, then he can be left out. When I got my female, at about a year I thought she was trusted but came home to the garbage pulled out of a closed cabinet. Close enuf call, so I had to wait another 6 months.
I might have been able to do it sooner, but I would rather be safe than sorry.
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I've was a miserable failure at crate training my two dobe boys. We ended up gating them in the kitchen. I only work part time, and have a lot of children, so my boys were rarely alone for too many hours each day. Neither boy ended up destroying anything and both had no separation anxiety issues, so it worked out for us. Monty was out of the kitchen by a year old with free roam of the house, and he has been an angel for the last year. He is super laid back and mellow, other wise he would still be gated. I'm fostering a girl who is crate trained, what a complete pleasure. You tell her...go to your crate, and she does! I think it's a great idea to have them crate trained, you never know when they will need to stay in a small cage at the vets and not freak out the entire time.
That's how I feel like Diesel is going to be which stinks. He will never be alone for very long but he just refuses . How long did you try to crate train?
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Double the walk, so he is tired and has less fighting power.
I'm not a crate fiend, I actually hate it, but until my guy can be fully trusted and has no anxiety, being alone for periods, then he can be left out. When I got my female, at about a year I thought she was trusted but came home to the garbage pulled out of a closed cabinet. Close enuf call, so I had to wait another 6 months.
I might have been able to do it sooner, but I would rather be safe than sorry.
Exactly. I don't trust him even close to let him have free roam. That's the only reason I use a crate. Nothing else but to keep him safe so it's frustrating when his safe place isn't working.
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I know it's not practical but I would suspect if you got in the crate with her, her tune might change. I really believe dogs love the easy life, so if I were a dog and had a choice between a bed or crate, guess where I would be sleeping.
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It's so frustrating. How did you get through the puppy stages with her? Diesel doesn't drool but it definitely stress him out and if he is claustrophobic then I'm going to feel bad if I'm ruining him but I honestly am lost now. I'm not sure what to do.
I did try to kennel her when we were home and it was a nightmare. She would get to the back of the kennel and slam her head into the gate. She did do fine sleeping in there the first two nights when she came home but then my youngest daughter said "oh, let her sleep with me" on her 3rd night home. That may have been a bad choice I made. I left her home twice when I went to work and my older daughter would get up and let her out to sleep with her. So I started taking her to work with me which she did until she was alittle over a yr I think. Someone was pretty much always with her until she was 6 months old...me, hubby, or one of the two daughters. I have always and still do exercise the dogs if I know I have to leave them. First try at leaving her alone I left her blocked in the dining room with the terriers for a short period. Nothing happened. Then I tried the living room. Nothing happened. Then they had the whole house except the bedrooms. Nothing happened. I think the terriers have helped with this training process. They lay down and go to sleep to which I think Kyrah followed their lead.

I personally dont see a problem with using the kitchen as a bigger kennel area. Put his kennel in there in case he want to use it. Make sure you puppy proof it extremely well. If you live in an apt you will also have to worry about if he barks and whines really loud for extended periods.

What I did when Kyrah was much older was to clicker train her to like her kennel a bit more. I clicked at first for looking at her kennel, then touching, then walking in and out and at last for walking in and laying down. She is more comfortable in it if I am home. Also if I take her somewhere like agility trials or things our club put on.

ETA: Forgot to say we still work on crate training at home. I try to put her in for atleast 30 minutes a couple times a week while I am home.

Good Luck and hope you can figure something out that wont stress him out to badly.
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