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|View Poll Results: Tug-of-War: To win or not to win?|
|I make sure I win most (or all) of the time.||28||25.93%|
|I prefer to let the dog win most (or all) of the time.||80||74.07%|
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|12-01-2010, 04:47 PM||#26 (permalink)|
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|12-01-2010, 05:21 PM||#27 (permalink)|
It's not about winning. See, I think winning is a human concept with tug.
My dogs play with me and I swing them around etc and then they are rewarded for playing with me by getting to kill the tug toy for about 2 seconds before they run back saying "more Mummy, more!"
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|12-01-2010, 05:53 PM||#28 (permalink)|
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I answered "I win" since we always practice at least one "Give" command when playing tug and she has to relinquish the toy or play is over, but she also gets to prance away with the tug toy at times too. (And "prance" is DEFINITELY what she does, lol!)
ETA: Haven't done as much tug with Guinness as we've been playing "fetch" in our playtimes instead. (He still hasn't figured out to WATCH the stick in the air so he waits for it to hit and then searches for it. I've been using the same stick repeatedly and rubbing it between my hands before I throw, so I think he's using his nose to find it mostly. It's cute! )
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|12-06-2010, 12:38 PM||#29 (permalink)|
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Used to be I always win, now I don't care.
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|12-06-2010, 01:43 PM||#30 (permalink)|
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Sontera made some good points. Some dogs don't necessarily think they "won" if they got the tug from you, they're far more happy to keep tugging.
I think it's valid to say here that the idea to never let your dog win tug games or to not play them at all because that will create dominant and aggressive dogs is more along an old wives tale and is not very accurate.
In my world, the dog always "wins". He either gets the toy or I take it in which case it means something better is about to happen (even if there is some training in between).
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|12-06-2010, 03:03 PM||#31 (permalink)|
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Use a professional to help you teach this, for safety and accuracy--but be sure your dog has taking an object "on cue," and also dropping the object and/or placing it gently into your hand.
As others have said, "winning" the tug has absolutely nothing to do with whether the dog "knows who is in charge."
The dog knows "who is in charge" because every single resource the dog wants--including interaction with the tug, goes thru the gateway--which is you. That is the foundation of all training--a dog who looks to you for direction and resources.
I am a firm believer in freedom of speech and press, but I sort of wish we could hold a gigantic book burning and jump around the big ol' bonfire of all the old, inaccurate outdated stuff out there.
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|12-06-2010, 03:56 PM||#32 (permalink)|
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heehee, throw on the wood, and light my fire!!!!!!!!!!!
I am proudly one of them....................... "old, inaccurate outdated stuff out there."
but i am learning new things everyday.
win, lose, i am confuuuused!
don't get me wrong, i appreciate a well behaved dog. most of all i appreciate the dog for being a dog.
use what works for you and your dog to become a bonded team,both happy in your chosen field/s, agility, conformation, couch potatoe, etc.!!!
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|01-13-2012, 02:01 PM||#33 (permalink)|
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I usually let her win when I'm tired of playing.
Although she's happy no matter who is winning really and that's all that matters to me.
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|01-13-2012, 02:37 PM||#34 (permalink)|
Tyson loves to play Tug. However, there is a difference when I play tug with him and when my fiance plays tug. Since he is stronger than her, he wins all the time but gets bored rather quickly. When I play with him, he doesn't win everytime because he will lose his grip and hes not as strong as me but it doesn't matter to him. He is just excited to be playing regardless. I think its more important to set rules like other people have stated; that way he always knows who is in charge. He will get aggressive with the tug and growl while trying to get it out of my control but once I give the command of give, drop, etc. the game is over and he immediately relaxes.
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|01-19-2012, 12:02 PM||#35 (permalink)|
Since it's been a while, Dakota still loves to tug, it's one of her faves, and I still let her win, every time. I almost use it as a workout, I will hold my arm in certain positions that make it more difficult for me to hold on, and it works my arms quite a bit.
In terms of vocalizations and whatnot, it really doesn't bother me at all when we are playing rough. It doesn't carry over into other things, and we get pretty intense at times, so I think it would be weird for her not to vocalize.
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|01-20-2012, 08:28 AM||#36 (permalink)|
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Nexus loves to tug and she really wants that rope!! She will play tug with me, my husband, or Bella, or really anyone that will play with her. We let her "win" if she behaves, however, she has a habit of trying to assert her ownership of the rope by growling louder the harder you tug at it, if she reaches a certain point its game over. Then she pouts and throws the rope on your lap until you play with her again. With Bella she will keep inching up on the rope until she is right at her mouth, and give a huge growl and pull the rope away, thus winning it from her. Bella is such a laid back and more submissive pup that she most often lets Nexus take the rope.
Bella herself is not much of a tugger, she will sometimes bring the rope and give it to you but once you start tugging, she will pull back once or twice then let go and sit waiting for you to throw it. However, with Nexus, she will play tug all the time, maybe because she wants the toy, Im not sure.
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|01-21-2012, 10:09 AM||#37 (permalink)|
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|01-22-2012, 09:33 AM||#38 (permalink)|
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|11-28-2012, 08:14 AM||#39 (permalink)|
I usually let him win. When he gets too growly, I have him "give" the tug to me and the I give it back. He has always been gentle tugging with this method, but loves the game. He enjoys interacting with other dogs by playing tug.
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|11-28-2012, 11:18 AM||#40 (permalink)|
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I wasn't around when this thread was started, but I wanted to add that I think tug is a great way for kids to play. We use a long tug rope and the kids know to drop it if Roxy inches up too close to their hands.
What is funny is that when my four-year-old takes his turn, she will flop down and let him run around her, pulling as hard as he can while she noms on her end.
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|11-28-2012, 03:31 PM||#41 (permalink)|
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Jaina likes to turn her flirt pole into a game of tag. It's absolutely terrible for the pole, but I've found it to be a great opportunity for "drop it" and "give". So, I'd say that neither of us really win in the end - we just have fun
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|11-29-2012, 12:27 AM||#42 (permalink)|
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- my dobes get it daily, from day1 into senior years, because its engaging, fun & bond building
- 100% of the time the dog wins / and they know I choose to let it happen
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|02-21-2013, 10:50 PM||#43 (permalink)|
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Just because they make noise does not been they are doing anything but playing. My dog has never wanted to play tug until I starting to play with a rope without her. She wanted to join in on the fun. She does not play a lot but she does make a lot of noise when she does. She wins every time mainly b/c I am trying to make it something she enjoys. I do not see a problem with tug as long as it is under your terms when you play and not the dogs. You are still in control of when and how long.
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|02-21-2013, 11:25 PM||#44 (permalink)|
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I have the strength of a kitten. Yeah, Jasmine usually wins. Sometimes she lets me win though lol
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|02-22-2013, 09:24 AM||#45 (permalink)|
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I do about half and half. I usually end the game with puppy winning but during the game I make him release it several times...this does 2 things; Lets him know I am in control of this game & also lets him know just because he has to release the toy does not necessarily mean game over. We still have puppy teeth so I don't tug to hard ...that is why I started using the release command.
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|07-08-2013, 04:31 PM||#46 (permalink)|
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I let Vale wins all the time ... And he's and alpha dog. I even praised him for snatching the toy out of my hands.
BUT it's only with his toy ... With that being said if he grab my shoes I told him to leave it and he does!
Is that wrong?
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|07-09-2013, 12:11 AM||#47 (permalink)|
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I'd say I'm 50/50 with my dogs. Depends entirely on the current situation and the dog's mindset. As far as the teething thing, I worked on drive building when both my working dogs were teething (a dobe and a mal), and it actually made their drives skyrocket. I started when they were 7-8 weeks and by the time they started teething their drives were high enough that they worked through it and built a nice balanced defense drive. Also eased their transition onto harder sleeves and increased jaw pressure. Just my personal experiences- please don't try to do that if you don't know when you're using too much pressure or how to handle those drives.
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