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Old 12-28-2009, 01:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question knuckling over??

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I have an 11 week old(tomorrow) female puppy who is "knuckling" over in her front feet pretty bad.She has been on adult food since we have had her-so wondering what I can or should be doing to correct this? She was doing it a "tad" bit when we got her at 8 weeks old but it has slowly gotten worse..Her legs are also like "bowed" out? i guess that is the word for it(around the ankle area)..My vet has suggested giving her Vit C 500mg a day and see if that helps,which we just started just a day ago..

When she first came here she was on TOTW salmon i believe(it was like 25% protein)-I had BAD luck with that(found plastic pieces and a metal piece in the food),so decided to not take any chances.Then she was put on Diamond naturals chicken/rice adult(what my boxers have been on for years)-And she just wasn't happy with it,She didn't want to eat it..SO, A Vet friend of mine suggested ProPlan Adult chicken/rice ALS food,She has only been on that since last Wednesday.She also said it looks to be nutrition but can't seem to figure out why when being fed an adult food..She suggested if things don't change in a max of 2 weeks then switch her to large breed adult..Would that be good? I don't see much of a difference in protein/fat ect between the 2..Does ANYONE have any suggestions?? Will she grow out of this? Will it get worse? She is a show prospect puppy and I would be crushed if we can't get it fixed..ANY suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated! Thank you
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She should out grow it. Usually just a stage they go thru.
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She should out grow it. Usually just a stage they go thru.
Dont panic it happens to quite a few dogs. The first time I saw one of our dobers legs bow I was at the vet in like 2.5 seconds flat. Pro Plan works awsome for doberman, I would switch her to Pro Plan Perfomance it has 28 % protien the highest you will be able to find in a lot of foods. Stick with one food for a some time as doberman I have found can sometimes adjust slowly. Also I would add Dr. Kruggers vit. to her food if you can afford it. Kettle Cove dobes swear by it and so do I now... Like they said though its usually just a stage
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Thanks! So, Keeping her on the adult food should be OKAY then? I know alot of people don't agree with Proplan but have seen alot of people have good results with it..I have tried several higher end foods(both grain and grain-free),and my male just doesn't do well on any of them.So far so good with this.

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Dont panic it happens to quite a few dogs. The first time I saw one of our dobers legs bow I was at the vet in like 2.5 seconds flat. Pro Plan works awsome for doberman, I would switch her to Pro Plan Perfomance it has 28 % protien the highest you will be able to find in a lot of foods. Stick with one food for a some time as doberman I have found can sometimes adjust slowly. Also I would add Dr. Kruggers vit. to her food if you can afford it. Kettle Cove dobes swear by it and so do I now... Like they said though its usually just a stage

I believe the proplan performance is 30% protein and 20% fat,I personally feel that is to high for a growing doberman puppy?

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Dont panic it happens to quite a few dogs. The first time I saw one of our dobers legs bow I was at the vet in like 2.5 seconds flat. Pro Plan works awsome for doberman, I would switch her to Pro Plan Perfomance it has 28 % protien the highest you will be able to find in a lot of foods. Stick with one food for a some time as doberman I have found can sometimes adjust slowly. Also I would add Dr. Kruggers vit. to her food if you can afford it. Kettle Cove dobes swear by it and so do I now... Like they said though its usually just a stage
Uhm, form what I have been told - high protein isn't good for young puppies. Please research your food.
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Definately would not feed a puppy Performance. Adult is good.
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I've never heard of this term, knuckling over. does anyone have pics to share?

don't want to disrupt the thread but would like to learn about this.

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Look at his front legs, this isn't nearly as bad as some I've seen. He is on Pro Plan adult (lamb and rice). Give it time, it'll get better!
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Uhm, form what I have been told - high protein isn't good for young puppies. Please research your food.
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I have done plenty of research... Im sharing what I know to have worked, Ive tried, raw diets, grain free dog foods, solid gold, to canidea and everything inbetween. Chicken soup for the puppy lovers sould was great until a recent formula change that was not giving my pups the weight they need. I have VERY active dogs that are worked more than an average pet so keeping up with there needs has been a true battle for us.
Ive had dogs die from cancer and rescues with GI issues so to say I havent dont my homework would be a lie. It seems thats all I do.
I would of never though to try an adult food until my breeder recomended it Pro Plan performance it has 28% protien, I know I look at it every time I buy food to make sure the formula has not changed.
Just sharing what worked for us finally...
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Definately would not feed a puppy Performance. Adult is good.
why it worked for our dogs per our breeders recomendation?
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I believe the proplan performance is 30% protein and 20% fat,I personally feel that is to high for a growing doberman puppy?

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NOPE 28% Just checked the bag agian
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Everybody thinks something different. I just wouldn't use straight Performance for puppies. Maybe mixed with something.
I like a lower protein and fat for puppies.
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I agree with jdd, I considered Pro Plan large breed puppy, but the protein was higher than the adult. I've had several people recommend Pro Pl. Adult and have switched all the dogs to it. I've noticed a huge difference in coats, weight, and even poops look better. Pro Plan adult is working for us and its what I would recommend.

ETA: We are free feeding right now, Sookie and Truman can eat all they want (both are still pups). My min pin loves this food! Way too much! He has put on a lot of weight and is currently "locked" out of the kitchen (via baby gate). If I could convince "fatty" to actually do some exercise, we wouldn't be having this problem now!
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Mindi, you might want to re-think free feeding too. Since you are planning to show your boy, it really helps to have them eat a meal when you feed it to them, not when they feel like it. One of my clients free feeds and when he is away from home, it is very difficult to handle.
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If adult seems to be working for you than stick with it, if not try something new. To each his or her own
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As long as your puppy does fine, doesn't get Pano, then no reason to change.
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I've never seen this before. What causes this? growing too fast?

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I would put the pup on "sure grow" It has helped me in the past, I too only feed adult food.
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Here is a good site to learn about it...Knuckling Over and HOD - Developmental Orthopedic Disease | GREATDANELADY.COM
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NOPE 28% Just checked the bag agian

not trying to argue, But if you go to Proplan.com it clearly states it is 30% protein. But I will stick with what I am on now. Thanks
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:10 PM   #23 (permalink)
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LOL I didn't feel like arguing either. But Performance is 30% protein 20% fat and Puppy is 28% protein and 18% fat
You are very right workingdawgs. Either one is too much for a puppy in my humble opinion.

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LOL I didn't feel like arguing either. But Performance is 30% protein 20% fat and Puppy is 28% protein and 18% fat
You are very right workingdawgs. Either one is too much for a puppy in my humble opinion.

Yep that is correct.
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Yes go this website Bowed Legs, Knuckling Over in Puppies - Puppy Feed Program | GREATDANELADY.COM as listed above and follow the directions, feeding program and supplements to correct the problem. Stop jumping around foods now, it won't help anything. You need a low protein food with large breed growing puppies
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