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Old 11-04-2009, 12:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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He takes a few steps then sits

To start with Jameson is 5 1/2 months old, and right over 50 lbs, so pretty much normal. I always come home from work at lunch, take him out for a 30 min walk and to go to the bathroom, and eat. Today we went out for the walk and about halfway through he wanted to start sitting down. Then take a few more steps and sit down again, he did this all the way back home until he was inside. I fed him and he was standing and he started lifting one leg up while he was eating. Then once he finished eating, he started sitting down again, but i guess he seemed to lean back more toward his tail than normal. Then he did the whole sitting down every few steps. He is eating fine, breathing fine, and I have checked over him and felt his legs and whole body, nothing seems abnormal and he didn't whimper or anything. He layed down to sleep before I left him to come back to work, but any weirdness tonight he is going to the vet. I have saw a couple posts about pano, but just wondering since he might be a little young still. Any ideas or advice?

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To start with Jameson is 5 1/2 months old, and right over 50 lbs, so pretty much normal. I always come home from work at lunch, take him out for a 30 min walk and to go to the bathroom, and eat. Today we went out for the walk and about halfway through he wanted to start sitting down. Then take a few more steps and sit down again, he did this all the way back home until he was inside. I fed him and he was standing and he started lifting one leg up while he was eating. Then once he finished eating, he started sitting down again, but i guess he seemed to lean back more toward his tail than normal. Then he did the whole sitting down every few steps. He is eating fine, breathing fine, and I have checked over him and felt his legs and whole body, nothing seems abnormal and he didn't whimper or anything. He layed down to sleep before I left him to come back to work, but any weirdness tonight he is going to the vet. I have saw a couple posts about pano, but just wondering since he might be a little young still. Any ideas or advice?

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Sounds like his in uncomfortable with his feet/legs, if he as doing a leg left while he was eating, I would check for thorns or something of that nature in his pads.
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My puppy had growing pains about 2 months ago and she would limp and cry. It only lasted a couple days. If it continues or gets worse, I would definately call the vet though.
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Dobes are stoic and won't wimper when you check them over. You have to have very sensitive fingers to detect that slight flinch that tells you they are suffering pain.

I would have thought if it was foot that you would see some limping - but with no limping, I suspect you are looking at either abdominal muscles (IS) or lower back. Try walking and look to see if there is any limping. Front leg limping often simply shows up as head-bobbing when they walk - literally, the head bobs on the step of the painful limb.

Has he been doing anything strenuous over last weekend or had any accidents like falling off the bed or down some stairs or rough-housing with another dog?

Vet call IMO.
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He wasn't necesarily limping, but seemed to have more of a swagger today, I guess sort of not as graceful as normal. We have been playing ball and fetch everyday, normally for 15-30 min a day, but that has been for the past couple months, including last night. He has been rough housing normally a couple days a week with another dog around the same age, but haven't played with him for a few days either. Just weird how he didn't start doing it until halfway through our walk.
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Maybe he has an itchy butt, thunder sometimes will drag his but on the floor when it itched or something. Or maybe he needs to go number 2 and can let it out. A few times thunder has been walking with me and all of a sudden started to try and go #2. It looked similar to what your saying.
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I'd take him to the vet just in case. Most likely they will give you some anti-inflammatory drugs to give him and tell you to keep him quiet and see if it will heal on it's own. It would still be good to let them check him over and make sure everything is where it should be. Sometimes you can get luxating patellas and that sort of thing, and you wouldn't notice. I'd also have them check his feet just in case he has something in his paw that could be bothering him. Good luck and let us know how things go!
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sounds like Pano

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To start with Jameson is 5 1/2 months old, and right over 50 lbs, so pretty much normal. I always come home from work at lunch, take him out for a 30 min walk and to go to the bathroom, and eat. Today we went out for the walk and about halfway through he wanted to start sitting down. Then take a few more steps and sit down again, he did this all the way back home until he was inside. I fed him and he was standing and he started lifting one leg up while he was eating. Then once he finished eating, he started sitting down again, but i guess he seemed to lean back more toward his tail than normal. Then he did the whole sitting down every few steps. He is eating fine, breathing fine, and I have checked over him and felt his legs and whole body, nothing seems abnormal and he didn't whimper or anything. He layed down to sleep before I left him to come back to work, but any weirdness tonight he is going to the vet. I have saw a couple posts about pano, but just wondering since he might be a little young still. Any ideas or advice?

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It does sound like Pano, mine reacted the same way. She kept sitting or laying down. When she sat it was almost like she was sitting on her spine, she had both back feet in front of her and slightly elevated. It was in her back left leg. Vet gave her med's and she was fine for a while, then it moved to her left front. A couple of days rest and med's she seems ok again. She was under 5 months of age. It can be painful but they don't complain and they say they will out grow it.
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I'd have the vet check him too.
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go to the vet.

sounds like it COULD be neurological to me... but only because thats what I know, so don't freak out.
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Dobes are stoic and won't wimper when you check them over. You have to have very sensitive fingers to detect that slight flinch that tells you they are suffering pain.

I would have thought if it was foot that you would see some limping - but with no limping, I suspect you are looking at either abdominal muscles (IS) or lower back. Try walking and look to see if there is any limping. Front leg limping often simply shows up as head-bobbing when they walk - literally, the head bobs on the step of the painful limb.

Has he been doing anything strenuous over last weekend or had any accidents like falling off the bed or down some stairs or rough-housing with another dog?

Vet call IMO.
I abbreviated the iliopsoas to IS because that's how it is pronounced, but is it ore correct to use "IP"? I am not sure people would understand and maybe no-one abbreviates - I live in a world of TLA's so everything gets abbreviated. (Ha! a two letter acronym is also a TLA...)
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What are you feeding him?
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Puppy Limping

Usually Pano does not slow them down. You will notice them not putting pressure on a leg when standing but the ones I have experienced ran and played as normal.

In rough housing it is easy for them to get injured. My first concern would be that he has a misalignment and I would have him checked out by a chiropractic vet. They can solve the problem at the root if there is a misalignment. A vet will not pick this up and will give pain pills to get them through it but it will not cure it. It is always worth it to have them checked by a chiro.

Hope this helps and he does well.

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He wasn't necesarily limping, but seemed to have more of a swagger today, I guess sort of not as graceful as normal. We have been playing ball and fetch everyday, normally for 15-30 min a day, but that has been for the past couple months, including last night. He has been rough housing normally a couple days a week with another dog around the same age, but haven't played with him for a few days either. Just weird how he didn't start doing it until halfway through our walk.
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Well, how was th vet, it has definatley been 4 hours!
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Sorry it took so long to post back, one of those internet and cable ongoing problems arghhhh. It turned out he did have pano and the vet gave me a rx for some pain meds. Anyone else with this, how long did your boy or girl need to stay on pain meds?
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Pano

Here is some info on pano

I don't know what you feed the dogs, but I think if you are feeding a
very high protein food, such as puppy food, then that may be your problem.
I wean my puppies straight onto adult maintenance - no puppy food at all.
Here is a link to some additional information on a natural treatment for
dealing with Panosteitis (Pano) that you may find interesting :
http://72.41. 114.241/articles /pano.html .

The interesting thing I have read is that while a high protein food may give
you the bulk you want, it also causes pano in dogs that appear to be prone
to it. It could be that the high protein food is too 'hot' for the pups
thus causing problems. When you consider that Dobes will generally reach
their maximum height by the time they are 10 - 12 months old, you want to
avoid the excessive rapid long bone growth by slowing it down just a tad.
This is why I feed an adult food with a lower protein value.

Here is some additional information about Pano which may be helpful in
understanding it http://www.ivis. org/special_ books/ortho/ chapter_49/ IVIS.pdf
and while I would not give my own dogs any of the corticosteroids
recommended, I would use a product called MSM starting with 1000mg daily and slowly increasing it. MSM is a natural product and here is more information about MSM http://www.msm. com/index_ files/page0001. htm and more info on MSM is http://www.arthriti s-msm-supplement s.com/why_ msm_supplements. htm.

While MSM is a natural occuring mineral in the body, it may be that the dog/s are not producing enough of it. MSM is also a natural anti-inflammatory so I
would opt for this long before I subjected my dogs to corticosteroids that
will only cause other problems, such as affecting the immune system or
depressing the immune system. There is a book called the Miracle of MSM and
if you can get your hands on it, it is phenomenal ! It is amazing what you
can learn about MSM and all the things it can be used to treat.

Alfalfa, known to be the mother of all herbs, show great results with Pano.
Now I have used Alfalfa for many years and do not have dogs with Pano or
older dogs with Arthritis.. I always use a (Ground, Dried, Cut Leaf, Organic,
Alfalfa) from the health food store, not in tablet,or caspule form.
I start my puppies when they are eating own there own, with just a pinch in
there morning meal.
Look up, www.bnaturals. com there will be an article on Pano on that site, too.

Alfalfa acts not only as a anti-inflammatory, but has all the known
vitamins, minerals and enzymes known to man..Vitamin C also acts as a anti-flammatory. .
Supplements to give that really help.

Re: Pano
<<Bromelain, the highest potency (measured in GDU's or Gelatin Digesting
Units) you can get your hands on. I use the Nowfoods 2000 GDU tablets
or better yet the 2400 GDU capsules. One tablet or capsule given mid-
morning (or a couple of hours after first meal) and again late
afternoon on an empty stomach.>>

Hope that this info helps.


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