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Old 07-25-2009, 08:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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14 week old puppy is cranky at night

Hi all,
Thursday night I had my pup on the couch, I went to move him over so I could sit down and he got down right cranky with me, I quickly got him by the neck and he stopped trying to nip my hands, I went to move him again and he continued, so he ended up off the couch and I wasn't very happy with him.(no more couch visits for awhile)
Last night he got one of the kids toys and he is usually pretty good about the "leave it" command but he got down right cranky about it again. So we had a battle and I took the toy.
My question is, is this just due to him being over tired? He was super tired out and didn't get his afternoon nap. Or do I need to be treating this as a more serious problem and what would you guys recommend to correct this now?By the way he NEVER wins and all growling and carrying on just make me more determined to win the battle.

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Old 07-25-2009, 08:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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How old is he? What do you mean by cranky?
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Old 07-25-2009, 08:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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How old is he? What do you mean by cranky?
He is 14 weeks old.
By cranky just growling and going to bite hands but not following through, just kind of nipping to warn, the toy last night he growled and would not release, when I made him do it he went to the other side of the living room to nip at my youngest daughter and he wasn't successful there either. We then kenneled him up and called it a night. This morning he is back to his mischievous self and following the "leave it" command. He's a very well behaved boy, and follows commands very well.
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Old 07-25-2009, 08:41 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I know my 12 month old boy doesn't listen when he's tired. He doesn't nip at me or anything like, or growl at me. So I really can't give you advice on that part. But growling not in a playful way doesn't seem normal for a 14 week pup. In face, a dog growling at his owner at any age is NOT NORMAL. MY 12 month old has NEVER growled at me unless were playing. But when he gets tired he doesn't do any commmands, and he's really obnoxious. Like a tired 3 year old trying to fight going to sleep.
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Old 07-25-2009, 08:48 AM   #5 (permalink)
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that doesn't seem right either. I would recommend getting into puppy classes asap, starting simple "puppy" obedience and leadership exercises would be a very good idea.
Are you sure he's not playing with you? Or maybe he's sleeping and you have startled him and he's reacting out of fear?

I wouldn't allow him on the couch with you until this is figured out and he knows where he stands in the pack....not at the top. I'm interested to hear what others have to say as well.

Also suggest the "nothing is free moto" feed him his meals by making him work for it, and he sees it comes from YOU. Make it easy, fun and simple.
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that doesn't seem right either. I would recommend getting into puppy classes asap, starting simple "puppy" obedience and leadership exercises would be a very good idea.
Are you sure he's not playing with you? Or maybe he's sleeping and you have startled him and he's reacting out of fear?

I wouldn't allow him on the couch with you until this is figured out and he knows where he stands in the pack....not at the top. I'm interested to hear what others have to say as well.

Also suggest the "nothing is free moto" feed him his meals by making him work for it, and he sees it comes from YOU. Make it easy, fun and simple.
I'm sure he wasn't sleeping sound as I woke him before moving him. We have been going to puppy class once a week and he never eats his meals before us and he has to earn them. He knows what's required to get his food bowl down to the floor.
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I will agree this is not normal behaviour. It could be any one of the issues others have suggested, but I think it is a dominance issue. You definitely need to get this boy into puppy socialization and obedience classes. If left untended, the issue you are discribing could get infinitely more complicated and infinitely harder to correct.

At this young stage in puppy's life, I would only use positives around the dog. No neck pulling/grabbing if possible, just issue the command and redirect the behaviour to something else. If he is nipping at you, give a firm NO! and redirect the puppy to a toy he is allowed to bite or chew on.

By using forceful grabbing or pulling, you can create a negative sensation between you and the puppy, making him/her fearful of you in future.

Good luck in finding a good training class for you and your pup

(if you have been going to puppy class, you may need extra tuition.)
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I will agree this is not normal behaviour. It could be any one of the issues others have suggested, but I think it is a dominance issue. You definitely need to get this boy into puppy socialization and obedience classes. If left untended, the issue you are discribing could get infinitely more complicated and infinitely harder to correct.

At this young stage in puppy's life, I would only use positives around the dog. No neck pulling/grabbing if possible, just issue the command and redirect the behaviour to something else. If he is nipping at you, give a firm NO! and redirect the puppy to a toy he is allowed to bite or chew on.

By using forceful grabbing or pulling, you can create a negative sensation between you and the puppy, making him/her fearful of you in future.

Good luck in finding a good training class for you and your pup

(if you have been going to puppy class, you may need extra tuition.)
I always use positive training but when he gets like that I have no tolerance for it. I certainly don't want to sound like I'm being aggresive with him I'm just being firm and not allowing the problem to continue. Once he moves on I forgive and forget. I grab by the neck to keep him from getting my hands not to harm or scare him...And it's just light pressure , he doesn't fight me.
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It sounds like your pup believes he is on the same level as you are and he doesn't trust and or respect you yet. I would be sure to follow the NILFF (nothing in life for free) Allowing your pup on your couch and bed is reinforcing him to think he is on the same level. If you look at dogs ancestors the wolves, Alpha male and Alpha female always eat first, sleep higher up and in the most comfortable spot. JMO,Good luck!
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I will agree this is not normal behaviour. It could be any one of the issues others have suggested, but I think it is a dominance issue. You definitely need to get this boy into puppy socialization and obedience classes. If left untended, the issue you are discribing could get infinitely more complicated and infinitely harder to correct.

At this young stage in puppy's life, I would only use positives around the dog. No neck pulling/grabbing if possible, just issue the command and redirect the behaviour to something else. If he is nipping at you, give a firm NO! and redirect the puppy to a toy he is allowed to bite or chew on.

By using forceful grabbing or pulling, you can create a negative sensation between you and the puppy, making him/her fearful of you in future.

Good luck in finding a good training class for you and your pup

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I agree with this. Also, how old is your young daughter who you said he's tried to nip at? If she's old enough to take an active role in your puppy's training, simple things such as having her command him to "sit!" before putting down his food bowl can be beneficial to their pack relationship as well.
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I agree with this. Also, how old is your young daughter who you said he's tried to nip at? If she's old enough to take an active role in your puppy's training, simple things such as having her command him to "sit!" before putting down his food bowl can be beneficial to their pack relationship as well.
My youngest is four and she usually feeds him supper and makes him sit and be a good boy before he gets his supper. She also does sit and down for treats with him. They have been getting along really well lately and he's even getting along with the cat now. Right now he is laying at me feet chewing on his bully and getting some affection as he's earned it, he also had to earn his bully too. I'm just confused as most of the time he's an awesome boy but he needs to know that the chain of command puts him at the bottom.
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