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My pup is miserable. Vet says it's nothing.

Haven Mae is 10 weeks old. We've had her since she was 6 weeks old. She's had her Shots - just got the 3rd today. She's my road dog. I take her with me everyday. I'm self employed and am able to do it. She is super spoiled and we love her.

Im noticing some problems health wise now that I look at the big picture. I took Haven to the vet about 9 days ago. Her stomach looked like a ball and she just wasn't being herself. Over the past week Here are things Ive noticed:
•she seems to not be able to get comfortable.
•Curls up in a tight ball
•Gets up and stretches every few minutes
•bites feverishly at her paws and mainly back hip like she has fleas but there are zero fleas. She will be looking around and sort of wimpering. Then start trying to bite and chew on anything in sight. Not a playful biting more of a anxious gesture or irritated
•when laying down trying to sleep -every few minutes she will start to swallow and smack her lips
•she will get up and walk to the other side of the couch and appear to be choking or going to puke - gag about 6 times and cough but produce nothing.
•sometimes her stomach and chest area will start expanding and contracting. Possibly a hiccup episode but makes a hollow thumping sound not like that of a hiccup. When it's real bad I can hear the squishing of liquids.
•she has started to lick the floor.
•she will suddenly sit up out of a calm sleep and throw her leg open and lick her private area like it's irritating her.
•to me she feels real bony and her skin is real elasticity like
•sometimes I swear she has a fever because she will be abnormally hot to the touch

So I took her to the vet because I can look at her and see how she is acting and tell she does not feel good. I take this girl to work with me daily since we first got her. She sleeps right next to me. She has always had a super alert playful personality mixed with some mischief. Typical Dobe. She's always smiling. She is either alert and doing what dobes do or she's asleep recharging.

The vet said she was a little dehydrated. She also had hookworms. They kept her for the afternoon and gave her some fluids. They sent her home that evening with 4 cans of science diet and some powder to put in her food. I was told that she had an upset stomach and to feed her the science diet for a couple of days because it was bland then start her back on her regular food (orjen large breed puppy)

Well 9 days later and this isn't the same puppy that I've known. All of the symptoms I listed above have multiplied and become worse. Once a playful pup she now is more sedentary and slow. Always preoccupied with one of the things I've mentioned. There have been a few instances where something grabs her attention and she will be her old self again but something is up. When she is like this I can see it in her eyes that she does not feel well. She was real dazed like this morning and groggy So my gf took her to the vet again today. I explained to the vet via speaker phone as to what is going on with her and then I left it with my gf to handle as I had to get back to work.

My gf calls me and tells me that they found slight trace of worms still and that she has a "bacterial infection" in her stomach so we have antibiotics to give her. Then she said the vet said for me to stop googling stuff and she is "fine" all of the things she is doing are what puppy's do. I nearly drove my truck off a bridge! This puppy is miserable and I don't know how a vet (highly recommended clinic at that) can't see this.

It's 3 am now. I'm in the kitchen and she is awake laying on the couch watching me but won't come in here. Two weeks ago I have to watch every step because I will step on her she is right by my side. I damn sure couldn't go anywhere near my kitchen or dare rattle any type of paper because she's right there jumping up and down smiling barking and moaning wanting a treat or to be fed. Now nothing.

We were feeding her 4 smaller meals a day of orjen and boiled chicken breast. The vet today instructed us to feed her only twice a day. Not sure how that will work out since it looks to me like she is bony already.

I'm afraid something is seriously wrong. I know something is up but I'm new to all this puppy stuff. Any help or advice is much appreciated. I just want to do the right thing so she gets better.

She had another hacking episode that I was able to get on video just now. I'll try to post or link it.

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Find another vet for starters. If she were mine, I'd probably ask them to do some xrays of her abdomen to make sure there was no blockage, or partial blockage, do a complete blood panel and make sure liver and kidneys are functioning properly,results of tests can dictate where you go from there
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I second finding a new vet. For one a 10 week old puppy should not be fed only twice a day. To me that's asking for trouble.
Have you contacted the breeder?
Rerun the fecal testing?

Puppies get itchy, my girl will occasionally snap to attention and give the offending area a once over, not necessarily a cause for concern unless it is constant.
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Time for a new vet, IMO. In this video, she is definitely trying to throw up.


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I'll be the third to suggest a different vet. Recheck a complete fecal--if she had or still has hookworm she may also have whipworm which can be harder to detect. Run a complete blood panel and maybe both X-ray and ulrasound looking for partial blockage

And have you talked to her breeder?

I don't think two meals a day are appropriate for a 10 week old puppy. I'd still be feeding three times at that age.

Orijen is highly rated food but from what I keep hearing it is sometimes just too rich for very young puppies--I'd discuss that possibility with your vet too.

The breeder let you take her at 6 weeks? Not a good idea--in many states it is illegal to place puppies younger than 8 weeks. Has she had all these symptoms from the beginning?

Good luck with straightening this out...
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How did she do on the bland diet? Any change or did she only get worse?
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I may be way off here but In the video she looks very sleepy. A puppy at that age usually still is spending a good amount of the day sleeping. If she is with you most of the day I wonder how much of the time she is either being woke up when she should be allowed to sleep and how much just like a child is afraid to take a nap because they are afraid they are going to miss something. Some of these symptoms would either be called normal or not really extremely abnormal. If you are having a trust issue with your vet you should seek another vet regardless. Running these other tests that some have recommended may if nothing else at least set your mind at ease. You may be right and there be something there. You are with the pup most all day every day. Which would allow you to notice patterns others would miss. On the other hand because you really love the pup and haven't been through all of this you are concerned at things that may be ok. Just like a first time parent when they see something they haven't seen before doesn't know if it is a normal thing or not. But remember this, you will seldom go wrong by taking your pup to a vet or getting a second opinion on anything. Please let us know what you find out. And of course you can PM pretty much anyone here who you feel comfortable with and asking for private advice.
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I mentioned the sleep issues because that would directly relate to energy levels.
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Haven Mae is 10 weeks old. We've had her since she was 6 weeks old. She's had her Shots - just got the 3rd today.
3 shots by 10 weeks
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If your vet approved the vaccine protocol, then I would most certainly say you need to look for a different vet.

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third set of shots at 10 weeks is basically they way they did it many years ago. initial shots at six then boosters every two weeks. Now they say the boosters should be every three weeks.
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My pup had a bacterial infestation in his belly and he was definitely miserable. However one of his key symptoms was not being able to poop, and when he did it was like a hydrant. Antibiotics cleared it up right away, and definitely look for a new vet.
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I am mistaken. She had her second shot not third. I was told when we got her that she had her first shot but then found out she didn't. We've taken her twice to the vet for shots. My folly.


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I'll be the third to suggest a different vet. Recheck a complete fecal--if she had or still has hookworm she may also have whipworm which can be harder to detect. Run a complete blood panel and maybe both X-ray and ulrasound looking for partial blockage



And have you talked to her breeder?



I don't think two meals a day are appropriate for a 10 week old puppy. I'd still be feeding three times at that age.



Orijen is highly rated food but from what I keep hearing it is sometimes just too rich for very young puppies--I'd discuss that possibility with your vet too.



The breeder let you take her at 6 weeks? Not a good idea--in many states it is illegal to place puppies younger than 8 weeks. Has she had all these symptoms from the beginning?



Good luck with straightening this out...


No she hasn't had these symptoms from the beginning. Where it all started from was I was watching her when she would stand up and walk and she arched her back like a cat. So I googled it. Then I was watching g her eat and saw her holding her back up high like that and it scared me. That's when I took her to the vet the first time.


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I may be way off here but In the video she looks very sleepy. A puppy at that age usually still is spending a good amount of the day sleeping. If she is with you most of the day I wonder how much of the time she is either being woke up when she should be allowed to sleep and how much just like a child is afraid to take a nap because they are afraid they are going to miss something. Some of these symptoms would either be called normal or not really extremely abnormal. If you are having a trust issue with your vet you should seek another vet regardless. Running these other tests that some have recommended may if nothing else at least set your mind at ease. You may be right and there be something there. You are with the pup most all day every day. Which would allow you to notice patterns others would miss. On the other hand because you really love the pup and haven't been through all of this you are concerned at things that may be ok. Just like a first time parent when they see something they haven't seen before doesn't know if it is a normal thing or not. But remember this, you will seldom go wrong by taking your pup to a vet or getting a second opinion on anything. Please let us know what you find out. And of course you can PM pretty much anyone here who you feel comfortable with and asking for private advice.


Thank you for this. We do love her very much and she is such a huge part of our life now and I just want her to be ok. I probably am very overprotective of her but what can I say? Shoot me. Lol. Because of that though I pay very close attention to her all the time and I can tell when something isn't right. For a vet to give word to my gf to tell me to "stop googling stuff" is a bit of a kick in the face. I'm only trying to learn and the only reason I researched anything is because I felt something was wrong. Low and behold I was right because she had an infection. What is a bit discouraging about this is that I have a few breeders that are customers of mine. I asked them each to refer me to the best place to get her ears cropped. Both breeder told me the same place. These women are both very good at what they do. I see the wall of awards they have from their dogs winning. So I researched this clinic before going there and nothing but rave reviews. I have since dug deeper into finding out more about the place. I'm very good at uncovering the dirt so to speak- I swear this place pays one hell of a bill to a online reputation firm or they really are this good because there isn't a slight hint of even a trace of gnat **** on their record. Folks drive from all around to bring their pets here. Puzzling it is.


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How did she do on the bland diet? Any change or did she only get worse?


She loved it but then again she's a puppy and it was wet food. They only gave us four cans of it so who knows. That's the other thing - I have to ask how to feed these cans to her because no instruction was given. Just sent me home with 4 cans. Wtf?


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Just because a place can crop ears doesn't necessarily mean they are ace at everything else that matters. I know how difficult it is to find a truly great vet, after many years I finally found mine. He's an exotic animal vet as well and takes care of zoo animals too, he saved my little leopard gecko who had a very large tumor on his eye. Where do you live? Perhaps someone on here lives close by and can give you a second recommendation.
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It does not matter about what kind of reviews a clinic has if they are failing at helping your puppy. Find a new vet before it is too late. I too suspect a problem with blockage. Have x rays taken immediately. This is very abnormal behavior and signs of serious stress. Now you will see why a good breeder would never let a puppy go at 6 weeks then to have said they were vaccinated when they are not I am betting you are on your own. Have you tried to talk to the breeder??? How many puppies were in the litter??? How are they doing??? What health testing has been done?? So many things that go into producing a happy healthy puppy. Sending prayers your way and please keep us posted on how the little one is doing. I would caution you on the importance of finding a new vet.

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What was your puppy eating when you got her? Did these symptoms show up when you changed food? What do her stools look like?

I agree with Atomic that rave reviews for a clinic or vet does great crops doesn't always mean they'll be great with everything. I spent years going to a vet who was a great diagnostition but he and I both knew he couldn't crop his way out of a paper bag--the vet who did most of my crops was top notch at that and ordinary general veterinary medicine but for diagnostics--not so much.

The fact that the clinic didn't give you instructions about feeding the wet food is just one more reason to at least get a second opinion.

It's also a very good idea to ask if you are given something (like food) and you've never dealt with it before--what you do--how much to feed, how long to feed it, etc--our clinic not only gets special instructions from the vet who saw the pet but it is repeated by the tech or assistant when they hand over the meds or special food AND instructions for meds, food and/or exercise limitations are included on the invoice/reciept and handed to the client before they leave.

When clients don't ask questions it's all too easy for the vet or assitant to asume the client knows what to do with thing like a prescription food which is intented for specific short term use.

Good luck--I hope your puppy is feeling better.
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HavenMae--GO SEE another vet. NOW. You need another opinion. The vet you have currently is not listening to you...he is not running appropriate tests to get to the bottom of your pup’s problems. He is not using the proper vaccination protocol.

Three reasons your current vet is not meeting your needs...or your puppy’s; judging from your comments, there are probably more reasons I’m not listing. You MUST go see someone else.

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I would also suggest a different vet for a 2nd opinion - not one at the same practice! None of this stuff is normal. Yes they sleep a lot but when awake should have energy and want to be with you. I would also recommend the 3 meals a day for awhile. I would soften the kibble - their baby teeth can have a hard time with hard food - soak for about 15 minutes with a little bit of warm water before feeding. The kibble is good, but is maybe too rich? Just guessing.

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Just because a place can crop ears doesn't necessarily mean they are ace at everything else that matters. I know how difficult it is to find a truly great vet, after many years I finally found mine. He's an exotic animal vet as well and takes care of zoo animals too, he saved my little leopard gecko who had a very large tumor on his eye. Where do you live? Perhaps someone on here lives close by and can give you a second recommendation.


Well that's the thing this place is the go to place. Not just for ears. I simply wanted the best ear cropper because I'm new to all this and I wanted give her the best chance to look right. I've seen a lot of bad crop jobs iMO I wanted to avoid that. Just so happens to the place of the one was recommending is also the place that they take their dogs who aren't dobermans. The place has rave reviews but I don't know what all the fuss is about. First time I went in she had your March they didn't give me the medication for her the second time I took her in they said she had an infection in her ears still did not give me the medicine. My girlfriend took her in for the third time she ask the vet about the medicine for the ears and he said he did not see anything on her chart about it. Well of course she did and if they didn't write it down and didn't give me the medicine. Little things like that turn me off about a place just get me to wondering. I live in Cypress TX.


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