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Food/Treat obsession

Has anyone ever dealt with a super food obsessed puppy before? Is this just the nature of puppies being puppies? My concerns with Blitz are that he is *so* incredibly obsessed with food that he will swallow treats whole (Greenie sticks, the long kong stuffer treats, Milk Bones, etc), or break them into pieces just small enough that he can gulp them down. He reminds me of a pelican swallowing fish whole!

His obsession extends to his own food as well. Currently, I feed him with a slow-feed bowl that is floor based. He will also steal people food whenever he gets the chance, no matter if it's on the counter or table. His last theft was a chunk of freshly cooked ham right off the kitchen counter!

He's being fed three times a day, roughly 1.5 cups of food at each feeding (with supplemental canned food every other feeding). It's high quality puppy food as well. For what it's worth, he hasn't shown signs of being food aggressive -- just obsessed with eating his food as quickly as possible.

Given that I lost my prior boy at 12 y/o to complications following an emergency GVD surgery, and that I have no earthly clue how he "bloated" so suddenly and without warning... am I overreacting or is this I something I should nip in the bud?

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I think I would start hand feeding at this point...and keep all counter food put away or keep him out of the kitchen when you can't supervise.

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What faln said^^^^^

I am going to go further. Never treat or feed from the table or when you are snacking. Be absolutely intolerant of begging. If he won't desist, give him a time out. Do not feed him in the kitchen or dining room. Whenever preparing food, keep him completely separated from the prep. Crate him if necessary. Don't allow him to "help" you prepare his meals. Use a NILF position with respect to his meals. Make him sit, and stay for his bowl. use a release command to tell him he may eat. I use "Free".

This works. It would never occur to McCoy to beg for food. In fact, when we are eating he rarely even comes into the dining room. I could leave a roast on the counter and leave the house, and he would not touch it. It's, IMO, all a matter of consistency.

Now he does "wolf" his meals down, which used to concern me. However in 2+ years, it has never caused a problem. Today, I just ignore it. I have studied up on the signs of bloat and torsion since learning that McCoy's father died of torsion.

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Has anyone ever dealt with a super food obsessed puppy before? Is this just the nature of puppies being puppies? My concerns with Blitz are that he is *so* incredibly obsessed with food that he will swallow treats whole (Greenie sticks, the long kong stuffer treats, Milk Bones, etc), or break them into pieces just small enough that he can gulp them down. He reminds me of a pelican swallowing fish whole!

His obsession extends to his own food as well. Currently, I feed him with a slow-feed bowl that is floor based. He will also steal people food whenever he gets the chance, no matter if it's on the counter or table. His last theft was a chunk of freshly cooked ham right off the kitchen counter!.............

Puppies!! I haven't had to raise a puppy for 12 years! It's amazing how much you forget!
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PS - Milk Bones are made from Dead Animal rendered meat stock.
- always read the ingredient list & know what stuff means / top 10 should not be a negative
We only buy Benny Bully's Liver Chops (100% pure, human grade facility).
http://www.bennybullys.com/eng/?liver-chops-dog-treats

Our 3rd puppy was the only one that ate fast.
- some breeders must let puppies eat together / others, not so much
- so survival of the fittest / and the food intake rush & fighting with litter mates, is on...or pup doesn't eat
So current Kelly's kibble was placed in a cup cake baking pan, to slow her down.
- took 2-3 months though, now she eats normal rate

Because Kelly was so food driven initially, she tried counter surfing till 7 months old.
- she finally stopped one day, when she was tall enough to figure out was was up there, without resorting to jumping up

We feed last bite here, of human food.
- but if any drooling starts, dog is sent to the couch
Surprisingly, this has worked out well - implemented in first week home.

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squeedobie - big puppy congrats.
PS - Milk Bones are made from Dead Animal rendered meat stock.
- always read the ingredient list & know what stuff means / top 10 should not be a negative
We only buy Benny Bully's Liver Chops (100% pure, human grade facility).
http://www.bennybullys.com/eng/?liver-chops-dog-treats

Our 3rd puppy was the only one that ate fast.
- some breeders must let puppies eat together / others, not so much
- so survival of the fittest / and the food intake rush & fighting with litter mates, is on...or pup doesn't eat
So current Kelly's kibble was placed in a cup cake baking pan, to slow her down.
- took 2-3 months though, now she eats normal rate

Because Kelly was so food driven initially, she tried counter surfing till 7 months old.
- she finally stopped one day, when she was tall enough to figure out was was up there, without resorting to jumping up

We feed last bite here, of human food.
- but if any drooling starts, dog is sent to the couch
Surprisingly, this has worked out well - implemented in first week home.


I had someone give me a box of uneaten Milk Bones. Shame on me for not checking the ingredients... I'm usually pretty good at doing that but didn't this time! I am chucking them in the trash... thank you!

The slow feed bowl has helped with him gulping down his food, but it's the treat obsession that freaks me out. He will swallow whatever I give him whole if he's able to, and if not he breaks it down (usually in half) and swallows the halves whole. I want to curb this because I'm desperately afraid he's going to develop bloat... short of not giving him treats anymore, I don't know what to do!
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Jack doesn't swallow anything whole. He does eat fast though. His food and water are still on the ground to further prevent problems, and we bought a slow feeder bowl. He still eats it fast out of the bowl, but I'd like to think it helps haha. This is the bowl: OurPets Premium DuraPet Slow Feed Dog Bowl Medium https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001NJ4PVW..._AqWBybWMBC2S3


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We have a lab that use to be like that. He got better with time but the biggest difference came when we gave him his food in food dispensing toys. He was so busy working the puzzle that he slowly forgot to be a scarfer. We have the following two that we switch off and really like. We feed about half of Piper's food just for mental stimulation. The lab we use to do all of his food in it. The Magic mushroom can fit a whole meal, the IQ ball only holds about a half cup. I like it though because the dog has to get it through two holes and there is nothing to grab on to so there is no trick and it takes longer.Some people just get several types of dispensing toys and only feed out of them, putting a little in each for their dog to play with one at a time all day.

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https://www.amazon.com/Petsafe-Busy-...magic+mushroom
IQ ball:
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I found all sorts of good ideas on the following blog:
Pitlandia: Top 10 Food Dispensing Dog Toys

I also advocate being really proactive about training away from resource guarding. With Piper we shove our hand right in her dish under her nose as she is eating and then drop something extra good in so she equates hand with something even better!
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I had someone give me a box of uneaten Milk Bones. Shame on me for not checking the ingredients... I'm usually pretty good at doing that but didn't this time! I am chucking them in the trash... thank you!

The slow feed bowl has helped with him gulping down his food, but it's the treat obsession that freaks me out. He will swallow whatever I give him whole if he's able to, and if not he breaks it down (usually in half) and swallows the halves whole. I want to curb this because I'm desperately afraid he's going to develop bloat... short of not giving him treats anymore, I don't know what to do!

Years ago - Amy & Dad had some dump runs to do.
- I had to tell one landfill worker, don't give my dog those cheap treats
- Dad cleaned out the back of my truck / when I went to jump in, a crap biscuit was on my seat
- Amy had spit out the bad treat, she knew the quality difference...LOL

If your worried about the treat size, break them down before handing them out.
- I always dispense one small treat & hid the other half in my hand
- dobe has to nose my fingers, before the 2nd treat is offered up

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Thanks Busytown! I hadn't considered treat dispensers before! I might go that route now for the treats and maybe the occasional meal too! Anything to focus that drive into driving me crazy toward something more positive.

I have a slowfeed bowl too, Mrraimoni87 and absolutely love it! I *think* it works pretty well, though he finishes his meal in next to no time at all.

When feeding him, I do the same that you do, beaumont67, to ensure he doesn't become aggressive with his food. That is the absolute last thing I need!

Thanks so much for the input. I'll keep at it, buying treats that can be broke down to manageable sized chunks and just hope over time it helps curbs the behavior so he doesn't do it anymore.
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^^ If there is even a remote chance (in your mind) - that your pup could get aggressive over food/treats/toys:
- now is the time to pet/stroke/rub the fur/etc.
- when food/treats/toys are in play

I quickly give out the first treat with the 2nd one buried, in my hand / allowing lots of friendly nose pokes, before the 2nd treat is offered up, from my grasp.
- I will test my new pup while eating kibble, and friendly pat its topside...giving love taps
- and take toys out of its mouth & return the toy / while playing together, any time I want
Our dobes get so use to my touching, that I can put a pup to sleep with my finger tip taps &/or wake it up easily via touch/verbal tone.

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Lana will eat anything I hand her. I feed raw food and given the chance, she would swallow down a whole turkey neck.

I trained her to eat slower. I used channel grips (the adjustable wide mouth pliers with long handles) and I would only give her 1" of food to chew off what she was getting - e.g. a fish, a turkey neck, a duck head. I don't feed kibble because of many reasons I won't go into here.

I have seen adult dobermans try to swallow a whole chicken without chewing - they will attempt to swallow a whole chicken back and will likely choke and die. One of my dogs died from choking a piece of stolen meat when he was 13 mths old.

Learn how to take food away from your puppy and reward him by giving back the food or a different food reward. Starting early I reach into their mouths and remove food they are chewing, make them sit and then give it back to them. I want to be able to pull that dirty sock right out of their mouth when I need to.

Which brings me to dirty clothes - leave NOTHING lying around. Dobes will eat underwear and that probably means a $5000 surgery to remove it. Keep anything that a dobe could potentially chew or swallow away from your dog. My counters have no food on them. If I am preparing something and have to leave the room - it all gets put away or pushed to the back of the counter (my counters are very high as well just to keep dobe noses out of range). Do not tempt your dog by leaving stuff within reach. Learn the signs of bloat vs the signs of obstructions (pacing, whining, hard belly, etc) and know where your ER Vet is.


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When Brinks was little he would swallow anything with gusto, whether it was edible or not. I fed a slow feed bowl, and he learned not to gobble his food. He no longer has to use it and is the most deliberate eater of all three dogs now. He is not as bad as he used to be, but it is imperative that things like socks, hair ties, and dish rags are always out of reach. Stuffed toys are also off limits as he will tear them into pieces and eat those. He once ate an entire chicken left carelessly on the counter. Also, he is SNEAKY.
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I'm not in the habit of leaving things lying around for him to eat. I learned with my previous boy (he had a penchant for eating washcloths) and, in general, am not a fan when stuff I needs winds up in the gut of my pup, lol! In the case of the ham... it was on the counter cooling, and I had just let him in from outside. He beat me down the (narrow) hall and got the ham in his mouth before I knew what was happening!

His behavior seems to be worsening as he'll now try to steal a bite of whatever I'm eating as I'm eating it. I did not and do not make a habit of giving him any table scraps or people food so I don't know where this comes from! I think he just smells it and wants it and pretty much won't be stopped by anything or anyone! He is so, so much more stubborn and strong willed than I was anticipating. And yet as I type this, he's nestled on the couch beside me, sleeping all nice and good pupper like with his head on my arm. <3
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