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Old 08-04-2008, 07:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Some Personality Questions

Nyx is my first Doberman and all. I'm not unhappy with her personality, she is just not as outgoing/loving as I see many others are. I don't want to say 'normal' vs 'abnormal' but I can sit and discuss the various intricacies of Afghan Hound temperament all day. I'm asking dobie people to do that to me for dobies.

She is 9 months old now. 25 1/2 inches at the shoulder and 48lb. I love her.

She is simply suspicious of new situations. She is not fearful, she is cautious and watchful. She is suspicious of new people. She wants to watch them and not interact/be handled by them. After she has categorized them she will go meet them, but she is not their best friend. Its like she then dismisses them.

Not a sign of aggression. She is not fearful. She is simply not out going. She has been through puppy kindergarten as well as basic obedience and she starts foundation agility (if I get in the class). She has never been outgoing to strangers and I've never encouraged it If people want to meet her I always let them meet her with her in a sit. She is nonreactive to these strangers she meets but she has zero interest in them. My friend was over four days and she would just watch her from a few feet away. Not obsessively. She'd konk out on the couch and snooze or attempt to sleep in my lap, so she seemed comfortable.

She is dog friendly if introduced but again she will happily not meet other dogs as well. Frankly, she acts like my afghans with my GSDs guarding habits. Friendly at home, aloof in the street. Like her vet visit a few weeks ago. She stood in the room and sat by me when the vet came in and went over the other dog I had in (one of my afghans). When it came time for her rabies vaccine she was not interested in interacting with them at all and sat like a rock through her exam and vaccine. Of course she took the food they offered her. She eats anything and everything. In the lobby there is this insane lab mix that wants to rush us (Owner kept it back fortunately) and she and Sage just stand there and watch the other dog calmly by my side on loose leads.

Now with the husband and I she is a clingy love bug. She thinks she should sleep between us. We've gotten her to select the outside edge of the bed or our legs since we would like to cuddle each other. She is good about staying close but she will wander the house. She doesn't have to be near me/pressed against me in social situations. She doesn't have separation anxiety or destructive behavior. We have started limited, enclosed enviorment off leash work since her attention span is doing a bit better as she ages. I don't push attention span in young puppies.

She has started to become protective. In so far as that if the hubby comes home when she is on the bed (she doesn't get bed privileges 100% of the time) she will stand over me and watch the door until he comes around the corner (dogs are behind a gate to the bedroom so they can't go wander).

She is intelligent, hugely responsive in class, and in basic obedience beat the boarder collies in the obedience games they had us do. She won a mound of toys from class because she is very focused on me when she isn't drooling and acting as if she was never fed before when she gets offered treats.

However, I don't know that many Doberman. She is not that dissimilar to the ones I have met but they where all working dogs. Her personality is wonderful to me. We're having to work on her accepting my handler. She gaited about 50 feet with him, realized it was not me at the end of her leash and put the breaks on the first time he took her out to go over her. It was a bit amusing.

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Old 08-04-2008, 07:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It sounds to me as if she has a fine temperament. Some are more gregarious and "golden retriever" like, while others are more watchful/disinterested in strangers. Honestly the latter is probably more of a classic traditional doberman temperament and what they were meant to be like. As long as there is no fear, and no inappropriate aggression (which it doesn't sound like there is) then she sounds wonderful.

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Old 08-04-2008, 08:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thank you.

I didn't think she really had a problem but I was about to fill out the paperwork for her intro to agility and was thinking about the shock of one of the greeters in the basic obed class when I didn't have Nyx greet her, I had her ignore her. She was like 'thats how you want her to greet people?" and I said 'yes, I don't encourage my dogs to socialize with strangers,' and I don't. I expect them to be manageable and polite and stable but I don't expect them to like or want to get to know people. I assume becuase I have never encouraged the behavior she never developed it. We picked her out becuase she walked out of a group of 12 puppies and plumped her bit fat butt down at our feet and refused to be ignored or to leave us and intruded when we looked at other puppies.

P.S. Thanks for the afghan kudos Those two are from my breeding, and the middle one is one of my two pupsicles.
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Old 08-04-2008, 09:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Her personality sounds just like Vanna's, not incorrect by any means but certainly not outgoing. Lol, you aren't alone!

Vanna's mother and sister are typical outgoing red girls with people (not so much with dogs), so it's taken some getting used to her more reserved temperament. I personally like that her affection has to be earned....
Anyways, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

BTW your website and dogs are absolutely lovely!
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She sounds just fine... Sounds like my two Dobes. Also, I don't let my dogs greet other dogs when they are on leash. I made the mistake of doing that a couple times, and then Risa totally thought that greeting other dogs on leash meant play time. Needless to say, this didn't help when I wanted her attention for obedience! She goes to daycare one a week and has lots of play time with other dogs. However when she's on leash, she's expected to focus more on me. When people ask me if their dog can come up and meet her (on leash), I just let them know that I don't let her greet on leash. A lot of people don't know how to let their dogs greet properly (and truly don't know how well their dogs are with other dogs), and you can end up having a negative experience that lingers with your dog... making it fearful, leash aggressive, etc.
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I thought to socialize dogs well they should meet everyone when you are out & about so they would be more confident in all situations and learn how to interact with humans & other dogs and to be able to figure out friend from foe on their own better???
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She sounds like she has the proper doberman temperment as i have seen described many times, their temperment can be described as stand offish not aggressive. All the other dobes i've met have had this same personality trait. To be honest i wish Ellie had it, i swear she thinks shes a lab. She's so bouncy and will jump all over and lick strangers, would prefer it if she was stand offish as she'd be easier to train!!
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Old 08-05-2008, 07:20 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I thought to socialize dogs well they should meet everyone when you are out & about so they would be more confident in all situations and learn how to interact with humans & other dogs and to be able to figure out friend from foe on their own better???
I trust in my ability to raise and train a dog. A lot of it depends on the owner IMO. If I had children for example I would have focused more on her greeting strangers and being friendly to people she doesn't know instead of ignoring them.

Nyx can go in public. She is calm, polite, and well mannered. She can be handled by strangers without my worrying about aggression and inappropriate behavior. She can meet other dogs with a polite disposition. She quickly responds to my commands and remains focused on me while we are out (most of the time, she is 9 months old). Is that not proper interaction with people and dogs?

She is out and about. She has been through 2 6 week training sessions and will start the next one next month. She has gone to a dog show with me. She goes to my mothers house and to visit my other half at work.

Many people push friendlinesses with socialization. Meet people, be happy, let them pet you and coo over you, yay. That is not something that I like. The purpose is for the dog to become a well mannered citizen and to introduce them to new situations so that they are not reactive in an aggressive or fearful way.

I think many people take it overboard. I can't stand being mobbed by someones dog. At the same time, people are almost freaked out by the sense of calm that come off my dogs. Standing at the vets office people constantly let their dogs come over to my dogs and shove their faces into them and try to play. My dogs just stand by my side, often turn their heads, and for the most part ignore the other dogs. Sometimes a casual sniff. That is what I encourage. Some don't know how to react to the non reactive quality of my dogs. PetsMart trainers mob me constantly and try to shove food in my dogs faces and ask me who trained the dog.
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Actually, the way I look at this is that she is being socialized. She doesn't have to meet and touch or be touched by everyone. Just observing them gives her enough information to judge them by
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