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5 week old doberman puppy

Hey guys i just bought this 5 week old doberman, for 450 dollars, i am wanting to know if its a miniture pincher? Both parents were normal size dobermans when i picked up dog today is it possible its a miniture pincher? Maybe im just dumb thanks!

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He looks small because he is just five weeks old. Most breeders don't let go of pups until ATLEAST 8 weeks old, in fact it's illegal in several states to let a puppy leave their mother before that age. I know several reputable Doberman breeders don't let go of the pups until 12 weeks.

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Also, min pins and dobermans are two completely separate breeds...



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First off, you will have your work cut out for you with teaching stuff like potty training and bite inhibition.

Second, like PWR said, Min Pins and Dobes are entirely separate breeds, bred for entirely different purposes, with the Min Pin being by far the older breed.

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Can you return the pup? It is way too young to be away from mom and siblings. 6-8 weeks is a crucial period for the litter to learn things like bite inhibition and socialization.

No good breeder would allow you to take a pup away this young.
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Looks doberman to me but you got the puppy way to early..


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You might consider returning the puppy to the breeder and take him back in a few weeks. He is way too young to be outside the litter. They learn so much from their littermates. Unless it's a matter of extreme urgency, the puppy needs to stay with the litter until he's 8 weeks. How did you get him and who is the breeder? This makes me so sad to see a young pup removed so early.


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Poor baby

Please listen to the above advice.

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I can't return the puppy it was a 14 hour drive I feel bad also is it a regular
Doberman? Thanks any info on what I should do is great
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Yes...waaaaay too early to be removed from mom and litter mates.
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Yes a regular, byb, doberman. Removed from mama way too soon, for shame on your breeder. Who'd you get him from?

All I can say OP is good luck. We had a rescue girl removed from her parents too early (3 weeks) and boy was she a terror.


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There is only one kind of Doberman. So I guess u can say its a regular Doberman. Please do some reading. This puppy will need a lot of special attention since u have to be mom and litter mate. This "breeder" should be turned in for selling such young babies. Hoping u have lots of experience

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I can't return the puppy it was a 14 hour drive I feel bad also is it a regular
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It's hard to tell from a single picture if your 5 week old puppy is a "regular Doberman". We're concerned less with whether your puppy is a purebred Doberman and more with the social and behavioral problems your puppy could end up with as a result of leaving his (her?) mother and littermates so soon. Perhaps health problems as well; a 5 week old puppy may still be relying on immunization-type stuff from the dam's milk at that age, I don't actually know.

Is your puppy a male or a female?

Are you in the United States or elsewhere? As others have said, it is illegal in most states to sell a puppy that young.

Did you receive papers for your puppy?

What made you want a Doberman?

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I agree with the others. If you can't take the puppy back, please start doing as much research as you can now. Could be long road ahead of you.

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Here is another picture

Regular doberman or miniture pinscher? Possible to tell?
Turning six weeks this sunday 9/29
Also what are some things i should do like 100% must, i will bring to vet this weekend
Thanks all ive read all of your comments i will do my best to take care of this puppy?
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That is so wrong the "breeder" sold him that early. It breaks my heart. Not only will you have behavioral issues but most
Likely health issues as well, since health testing probably wasn't done.


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OP....

What info did the breeder give you or tell you about this puppy?
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How much does she weigh? That would be the biggest clue.

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You keep referring to him or her as "puppy" or "it". Does the puppy have a sex and a name? Why did you decide to purchase the puppy? Others have given you great advice and materials to help you raise this little one. I hope you are successful; we're here to help when you are unsure or when frustration sets in.

And NO it is not a miniature pinscher, clearly just a very young doberman.
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Min Pins are a toy breed. They are 10 to 12 inches tall at maturity, and their weight is proportionate.

Do NOT allow your puppy to interact with other dogs unless you know they are vaccinated. And even then, I would use extreme caution. A puppy this age is terribly vulnerable to disease.

You need to feed a good quality food, and at this age he (she?) should be fed at least four times a day.

Don't expect much in the way of housebreaking for a while. They don't have much bladder or bowel control at this young an age.


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Hey guys i just bought this 5 week old doberman, for 450 dollars, i am wanting to know if its a miniture pincher? Both parents were normal size dobermans when i picked up dog today is it possible its a miniture pincher? Maybe im just dumb thanks!

Your puppy is a Doberman.

Please have a vet take a look at your puppy ASAP. Good luck to you.

Shame shame on that "breeder." Please stick around and ask for help and learn as you go. You definitely have your work cut out for you. Cute puppy. Please have him/her neutered when of appropriate age.



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post #24 of 79 (permalink) Old 09-24-2013, 11:37 PM
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Regular doberman or miniture pinscher? Possible to tell?
Yes.
Papers, for one, would be a good clue but I have a feeling that you don't have those.

Have you seen a purebred doberman as well as a purebred miniature pinscher? The difference is a couple feet in height and dozens of pounds. This poor puppy has already outgrown even the biggest miniature pinscher that I've ever seen. Also, asking about "regular" dobermans kind of hints that there are other kinds. There aren't. The doberman pinscher is the doberman pinscher. There are not sub-breeds within the breed.

Why would you drive 14 hours and pay money for a puppy that you know almost nothing about from somebody you obviously don't trust (since you aren't sure of the dog's breed)? That seems... silly...?

Regardless, I think that you should move on and pay attention to other important factors such as health and training. I suggest you do a TON of research in this breed (or even both breeds to expand your knowledge some). Glad to hear that the puppy has a vet visit set up.

Does the puppy have a name?
A gender?



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In addition to bite inhibition and training issues, I think the more pressing concern with this situation is keeping the dog safe from disease while it is so vulnerable.
The puppy receives colostrum (antibodies) from the mother as a newborn during the first milk. These antibodies can begin wearing off as early as 6 weeks. This means that your puppy needs a vaccine starting then to protect it from diseases like parvovirus, which are almost always fatal at that young of an age. After the vaccination, you can't put your puppy down anywhere public that receives any type of foot traffic (especially dog parks, open grassy areas, etc) until after its 3rd round of shots (approx 3-4 weeks apart) to ensure proper immunity to the strands of viruses you are protecting against. Parvovirus in particular is extremely hearty and can survive up to a year after transmission from one surface to another.
This is going to feel like a really long time considering how young the puppy is ... you are going to have to keep an extremely vigilant eye on this baby that you have, ensuring that he/she is still able to learn socialization and basic training via safe and controlled environments during this time.
Of course the best option would be to bring him/her back to littermates and mama to learn some important social skills while continuing to grow into a stronger animal. It looks like that may not be an option due to distance.

Shame on that breeder, indeed. Good luck with your pup.
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