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Old 07-01-2008, 09:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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12 weeks old...how long in the crate?

Ok, I managed through my first puppy crisis, with Django getting sick and all. He's doing much much better now. As I am, well sort of...

I'm a single owner, and live alone. My family is all back East. The friends that I have that would take him out for me during the day, are not confident enough with dogs, so I don't have help during the day. I work partly from home, but also away from home...

I don't like to leave him for too long in the crate during the day for all the obvious reasons. How long do you folks think is ok at this age?

Thought about hiring someone, but I have some very expensive equipment here, and having someone I don't know come when I'm not here is not at the top of my list. Also thought of puppy day care, but I don't really want someone else training my dog, plus he still needs shots...I already took 2 weeks off from work, and I'm taking half days now, but I can't do it forever..Between potty, socializing, training, playing, feeding, watching, grooming, ear taping...well it's a lot for just one person who has his first puppy.

Any thoughts on how to juggle it all? :confused2

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Old 07-01-2008, 09:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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first off you might consider getting an exercise pen, I clamp mine to the crate when I have pups, like yourself I'm single and doing this on my own. the ex pen gives more room, I had a pee area outside of the crate in the pen, in case the pup couldn't wait till I came home. I do recommend though getting a 48" one as Rex was climbing over 36" at 4 months old.
Once his shots are complete go for the dog day care, I took Grace once a week for about 8 months, she loved it! they didn't do her training, really, but it gave her an outlet for some of her never ending energy, she socialized with other dogs, and came home tired. Most dog walkers where I live are bonded, and carry insurance, so I wouldn't rule that possibility out either. variety is good.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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No family...I hear you! My husband was pulled away so I have been doing the puppy thing solo as well. At 12 weeks some people vote the number of months is the number of hours they can hold it others vote add an hour...just depends on the philosophy you choose to put your faith in....Jager at 12 weeks could hold it four hours. I was just finishing classes when we got him so I know this to be true. At 8 weeks, I did the pen thing because I knew he could not hold it (and skipped a final class, oops!) and as he grew older and his bladder stronger I began crating him in the no larger than he can turn around, stand up, lay down method. It worked very well. I also started a good 45 minutes before I had to leave doing the potty trips to ensure he went before I left (he can be quite stubborn some days and not go!)...exercise or good play before leaving so he would sleep most of the time...and of course the TREATS! All things this wonderful forum told me to do!!
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:31 AM   #4 (permalink)
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For a 12 week old puppy, I would say 3-4 hours at most. Good luck!
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:56 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Yeah, I've been trying to keep it to 3-4 hrs max. Let me tell you though, after 3.5 hrs in the crate....he is an absolute wild pup when I get home....geesh!
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if you are asking about "how long can he hold his pee" or "how long till he will be a bouncy ball of energy" these are COMPLETELY different. a puppy is a bouncy ball of energy, it doesn't matter how long they are crated. for crating, the important thing is how long can they hold it. And i used the age in months plus one rule, so 12 weeks=3 months=4 hours.
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if you are asking about "how long can he hold his pee" or "how long till he will be a bouncy ball of energy" these are COMPLETELY different. a puppy is a bouncy ball of energy, it doesn't matter how long they are crated. for crating, the important thing is how long can they hold it. And i used the age in months plus one rule, so 12 weeks=3 months=4 hours.
Hello sorry to hijack the thread but I am waiting for a fem puppy soon and would like a clarification please:

The 3-4 hours is the maximum continuous time that the dog has to stay in the crate and not the total time of a day, correct?

Accordingly during night time I release the dog from the crate and leave her on the garden from 2 months old with cut ears, or during night time I can leave the dog in the crate for 6 hours?
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Let me rephrase my 2 questions:

1) the maximum 3-4 hours is not the daily time that I have to keep a female puppy, 2 months old, in the crate, but it is the maximum time to keep it between breaks out of the crate for play at the garden or walk out?

2) During nighttime, where I sleep for 6-7 hours, should I keep her in the crate or leave her out on the garden?

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Let me rephrase my 2 questions:

1) the maximum 3-4 hours is not the daily time that I have to keep a female puppy, 2 months old, in the crate, but it is the maximum time to keep it between breaks out of the crate for play at the garden or walk out?

2) During nighttime, where I sleep for 6-7 hours, should I keep her in the crate or leave her out on the garden?

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I don't know that it will keep quiet enough for you to sleep that long. our is 8 weeks now and he's quiet for maybe 5 hours straight while we are sleeping. He's got to get up and go outside and then eat between 5-7 so I get up when he does, thats how it works or else they won't learn to hold it. It just takes time. and to answer your first question its continuous time, then break then another couple hours. I would suggest when they get out for a potty break that they play for a bit so it releases some of their energy, then another trip to go potty then maybe back in the crate. I was on a nap, pee, play, pee, Repeat schedule for the first two weeks, Thats how it goes.
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Old 07-28-2008, 06:48 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Thats why the breeder told us "its like you get a 3rd kid", I predict less sleep for some time, as I have to wake at 5 to get her out for potty and then to feed her.

Is it OK to leave her at the garden at 5, then return to bed and feed her at 7, which will be the usual feeding time anyway?
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IMO, there is too much mischief a puppy can get into if left unattended for 2 hours in a garden. Puppies that young should
not be left alone at all unless they are confined to a crate or other "proofed" area in your house i.e. bathroom/laundry
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I agree,

even being in the room with them you can see they just go from checking on thing out to the next constantly, and they chekck it all out with their mouths. Within a week our boy started to sleep til later, it takes time and of course sacrifice, in this case sleep. My wife comes home from work after midnight, lets him out, then I am on morning duty well she finishes her sleeping.
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First off I will say that every puppy is different and I think you need to work with what you have...

That said, Rainah has been staying in her crate during the day for 7.5 continuous hours since she was 5 months. (I've read everywhere that it should be however old in months they are plus 1 month, so a 5 month old would be 6 hours max, but obviously this doesn't apply to every dog) She has never had an accident and doesn't make a sound (the first time I tried her for that long I stayed home to see how she would react)

We got Rainah when she was 10 weeks old and she was sleeping right through the night about 2-3 weeks later. (from about 10 PM - 6AM) Every now and then she will wake us in the middle of the night, but its rare. Lately because its been so hot we let her drink water all through the evening and so she sometimes needs to pee in the middle of the night.

Anyways, I wish you the best of luck... keep with it, they learn quickly

PS - Exercise exercise exercise... I think part of the reason Rainah does so well in her crate during the day is because we walk her for about 1.5 hours first thing in the morning and then she has about another 2 hours hanging out around the house before she is put in her crate....
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Thanks so much for replies. Unfortunately I cannot walk the dog in the morning as I start work early and I leave home at 7 (except weekends of course). I live in a very warm climate and I have a garden at least 200 sq meters.

In mid August when I will take the puppy she will be 2 months. In the weekdays at 7 at morning can I let her in the garden alone before I leave for work until my wife wakes up and attends her, lets say for one hour?

Also provided the very warm climate, do you reckon to buy an outdoor crate for puppy, or that would be too much - we sleep inside and so small puppy sleeps outside alone?
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Thanks so much for replies. Unfortunately I cannot walk the dog in the morning as I start work early and I leave home at 7 (except weekends of course). I live in a very warm climate and I have a garden at least 200 sq meters.

In mid August when I will take the puppy she will be 2 months. In the weekdays at 7 at morning can I let her in the garden alone before I leave for work until my wife wakes up and attends her, lets say for one hour?

Also provided the very warm climate, do you reckon to buy an outdoor crate for puppy, or that would be too much - we sleep inside and so small puppy sleeps outside alone?
Dobermans aren't outside dogs. If you plan to leave the dog outside to sleep etc I'd consider a different breed. In my opinion no dog is an outside dog. I also wouldn't leave her unattended for that long. I too will be getting a puppy soon and I know how much work it's going to entail. If I felt I wasn't ready to put in the work I wouldn't be getting the puppy. She's going to have you up and will demand your attention. Outside in the garden alone for an hour isn't going to work. She could eat plenty of things in that time frame, something as simple as a stick would be catastrophic to her delicate digestive system. I don't plan to allow my puppy out of my sight for more than 30 seconds when roaming freely.

You may want to seriously evaluate whether you have the kind of time to

A. Raise a puppy
B. Raise a doberman or any physically demanding breed.

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It is demanding, I'm living it right now, been up since 6, barely slept all nice because I can hear him moving in his crate at the oot of my bed, and that was even after my wife let him out last night at about 2 and played with him then.

In the end only you will know what works best for you and your pup but Primo is right it takes work, and you have to be ready for the effort.
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I am ready for the puppy, I already ordered it and I know the consequences and its not my first one, although its my 1st with my new family (wife & kids). My wife is ready to share the burden with me.

I am asking about the garden as most dog owners where I live, leave their dogs (dobes, german shepherd dogs, boxers etc) outside, mainly because the dogs are not properly trained/socialized to live in house but also to have an alert dog (or guard although it guards better inside the house)

You know climate here is very warm and there aren't many dog clubs or proper trainers and not many proper breeders. Most people here buy from pet shops because they are not informed or they find them cheaper or faster than to wait for a good breed or they simply attracted from a cute puppy in a crate. Then they buy an outdoor dog house and place the dog there from 3-4 months old.

I am going to follow different steps than above, the dog will be fully socialized with my kids, couple of other not aggressive dogs from the neighbor and walks outside, but its difficult for me to go to a doberman club 2 hours away, you understand that my 1st priority are my kids.

From my experience big dogs love the garden and I am sure that when she will be older she will quite enjoy playing there with the kids.

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In the end you'll find what works best for you and your family and thats most important, not whatever everyone on here says is the "right" thing. So see how it goes and adjust accordingly. If I listened solely to the advice that the dog can only remain in its crate for its age + 1 then I'd be up to many times in a night. We worked on it for a couple nights and hooray he sleeps most of the night no issue. So be patient, be happy and enjoy it. I'm also saying this to reassure myself as well. Thanks.
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