"discipline"

broncopolanco · 06-05-2008, 10:56 AM

what would call for physical discipline? How far does your dog have to push you before you spank? what methods of spanking do you use. I have not spanked my dog yet. But lately it seems like he's pushing my buttons. Kinda seems like he's asking for it.
Yesterday he pooped in my house, 2 times. the first time i put him in a room dark room alone. went upstairs to my living room cleaned up. when i went back down to get him 15 minutes later and noticed he had pooped in that room aswell. Now at that moment i thought (do i put his face in it and go to work on his backside?) but i controlled myself and punished him buy chaining him in the yard for 15 minutes in the cold rain alone.What kills me is that he didn't poop in morning when i had him in the yard for 30 minutes.
He did it this morning also. he didn't poop in my house but he held his poop for half an hour in the yard. then when i took him bike riding i notice he's laggin behind alot. i look back and he's pooping and running the same time. so i stopped. let him finish.

**Luvbirds59** · 06-05-2008, 11:01 AM

???? Gone are the days of PHYSICALLY punishing a dog for any reason! Please sign yourself up for a good positive training puppy class. If the dog poops in the house....it isn't his accident....it is yours! Please search around DT and learn about how to properly train your precious puppy with out ever "spanking" him. Good luck...puppyhood is short but can be very trying!

Carol & Petey!
ox

GunnersMum · 06-05-2008, 11:03 AM

Nothing calls for physical discipline in the discriptions you've described IMO.

All you've done and all you will do is cause fear in the pup, fear of you. That is not training, it's bullying.

A dog never "asks" for physical abuse.

How old is your puppy? Running him on a bike will do damage to his ligaments and cause him pain if he is still growing.

zeus and me · 06-05-2008, 11:06 AM

I dont use physical discipline on any of my dogs. mine respond to the no comand....or a quick snap of the collar followed by a sharp no.

pooing in the house.....really is not the fault of your dog. you need to watch him for signs he needs to go outside and get him there quick......or even before he shows signs of needing to go.

do you SEE him make the poo inside? if you dont you really shouldnt punish him for it other then cleaning the mess and telling him he is a bad boy.....I take the mess outside and put it where I want the pup to go. then the next time I go out I bring him to the poo pile to help give the idea........follow with mega praise for a job well done.

all spanking him and rubbing his nose in it will do .........is cause him to sneak around to poo and pee when you are not looking.he will be afraid to go pee or poo infront of you inside or out.

Julie W · 06-05-2008, 11:07 AM

I am hoping that this is a trolling post and not for real. If it is indeed for real though...I don't "spank". Ever. And I don't punish a dog by putting them in a dark room or chaining them outside in the rain. That is simply cruel and teaches the dog absolutely NOTHING in relation to what you are trying to correct. If you catch him in the act voice your displeasure with a "eh-eh NO" (don't have a screaming temper tantrum fit as that does nothing what-so-ever) then bring him outside and praise and give treats when he goes in the correct area. A dog wants to please, and if you let them know what is acceptable and what isn't in a firm yet fair manner without anger they will catch on.

**2gooddobes** · 06-05-2008, 11:15 AM

I wouldn't condone getting physical with any animal but Dobermans in particular are extremely sensitive to physical punishment. It can really damage them and it is sometimes irreversible.

broncopolanco · 06-05-2008, 11:17 AM

I'm on this site to get some insight on why my dobe does certain things. i'm honest with u so that u can see i'm only trying to do whats best for bronco. Don't make me feel like a bad person for it.

zeus and me · 06-05-2008, 11:23 AM

you just need to rethink it all..... a puppy is like a baby and needs time and patience to learn. I would start by keeping a better eye on him. if you can not keep a eye on him...he should be in a safe area where he cant get into trouble. to correct the naughty you need to be able to see him start to do it....then correct and praise when he reacts. they so want to be good babies!

I keep my 4month old in the same room with me all day long! watching all the time. he has only had 2 poos in the house and that was weeks ago.but I still dont trust him enough not to watch.....I want him to be good so I help him be good by not allowing him to have accidents. now he really seems house trained

Julie W · 06-05-2008, 11:24 AM

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I'm on this site to get some insight on why my dobe does certain things. i'm honest with u so that u can see i'm only trying to do whats best for bronco. Don't make me feel like a bad person for it.

Well then I applaud you for your honesty and desire to seek answers to your questions. We are so passionate about dobermans and dogs and really animals in general here that when we see something we view as not right happening to one of our breed we tend to jump all over it. Actually, let me say "me" and "I", as I can't speak for the rest of the forum. Please consider the advice and continue to ask questions and seek assistance whenever you feel the need.

**Burns** · 06-05-2008, 11:27 AM

Kudos to you for asking questions and trying to learn the correct way to train your puppy.

Basically, in order to correct a dog (and by "correct", I mean a verbal reprimand, not physical punishment) you need to catch the dog in the act. There is only a 2-3 second window between cause and effect that the dog will understand what it's being corrected for. Anything longer than a few seconds, and your dog will have no idea what you are correcting it for. Punishing after that fact will only make the dog afraid of you and will weaken the trusting relationship he has with you.

Remember, he's just a baby - if he eliminates in the house, it's not his fault - it's the owner's for not watching the pup close enough or taking him out soon enough. A puppy should NEVER be out of your sight. If you can't supervised him, he should be somewhere safe, like in his crate. The puppy should never be allowed to go into another room where he can eliminate without your knowing. Putting up gates can help you keep the pup in the same room with you so you can keep a closer watch on him.

How old is your pup? When we were housebreaking Red, we took him out every 30 minutes without fail, and after eating, drinking, sleeping, chewing, and playing. Or anytime he was circling or sniffing the ground like he was looking for somewhere to go. We never gave him the opportunity to eliminate in the house. Each time the dog pee/poops in the house, you derail your housetraining. This is why it's so important to be consistent about the training. Trust me, it's worth the time and the effort to do the right thing now rather than to have dog that takes forever to housebreak because the training is not consistent.

Good luck, and keep asking questions