Tracking puppy - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums

DobermanTalk.com is the premier Doberman Dog Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-21-2012, 06:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
Big Dog
 
Posts: 84
Location: Indiana
Dogs Name: Ole del Nasi
Dogs Age: 6/2012
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit AlliDobie's Gallery
Thanks: 43
Thanked 66 Times in 30 Posts
AlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the rough
Tracking puppy

Going to try to embed a video and ask for opinions or suggestions. Training for IPO and this tracking is very different from my SAR background and I'm learning so much!! Ole is 4 months old and we try to track daily. I formally started less than a month ago at a Dean Calderon seminar.

Thank you!!

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/uQZTgwWUjQ4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App
AlliDobie is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Sep 2012
The Following User Says Thank You to AlliDobie For This Useful Post:
Hooligan (11-21-2012)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-21-2012, 06:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
Big Dog
 
Posts: 84
Location: Indiana
Dogs Name: Ole del Nasi
Dogs Age: 6/2012
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit AlliDobie's Gallery
Thanks: 43
Thanked 66 Times in 30 Posts
AlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the rough
Ok don't think it worked. Try You tube link. http://youtu.be/uQZTgwWUjQ4


Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App
AlliDobie is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Sep 2012
Old 11-21-2012, 07:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,722
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Ilka (Mutt), and Leo (GSD)
Titles: Ilka-BN RE CA CGC; Leo-UKC CA
Dogs Age: Ilka 4; Leo 2; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 22,910
Thanked 16,586 Times in 5,826 Posts
Rosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond repute
I'm still new to tracking myself, but it seems like he's doing pretty good. It looks to me like you are "steering" him sometimes, and really holding him back, though. I had an experienced handler on here tell me that I was stressing my GSD by overhandling and restraining her, and to just let her figure it out for herself. Of course, Leo is a pretty unconfident dog, so I'm not sure if that advise would be right for you.

Why not check out our "official" tracking thread, if you haven't already. IPO tracking thread
__________________

CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~ Requiescat In Pace
Rosemary is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2012
The Following User Says Thank You to Rosemary For This Useful Post:
AlliDobie (11-21-2012)
Old 11-21-2012, 07:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Hooligan's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,027
Location: Toronto
Dogs Name: Jack Sharp
Titles: CGN, BH
Dogs Age: Born 09-03-13
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Hooligan's Gallery
Thanks: 3,653
Thanked 1,743 Times in 755 Posts
Hooligan has a reputation beyond reputeHooligan has a reputation beyond reputeHooligan has a reputation beyond reputeHooligan has a reputation beyond reputeHooligan has a reputation beyond reputeHooligan has a reputation beyond reputeHooligan has a reputation beyond reputeHooligan has a reputation beyond reputeHooligan has a reputation beyond reputeHooligan has a reputation beyond reputeHooligan has a reputation beyond repute
That looks like a really interesting way of doing it. I'm curious about the thinking behind the way you have the line set up. I haven't seen that before.
Hooligan is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2011
The Following User Says Thank You to Hooligan For This Useful Post:
AlliDobie (11-21-2012)
Old 11-21-2012, 07:47 PM   #5 (permalink)
Big Dog
 
Posts: 84
Location: Indiana
Dogs Name: Ole del Nasi
Dogs Age: 6/2012
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit AlliDobie's Gallery
Thanks: 43
Thanked 66 Times in 30 Posts
AlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the rough
Yes, this occasional steering and holding back a little is what I was told to do in the seminar I went to with starting a puppy. At least what I understood from it, it was an overwhelming amount of info that I was trying to soak in! To help him if needed and slow him down if he was going to fast. We just started the double lines a few weeks ago when I no longer had to pat the track ahead of him to keep him going. The lines for more control.

But I will clarify, I posted the video in the training group that trains by his methods to see what they thought too.

I haven't read that thread in a few weeks, I hoped to this weekend when I have to work 4 night shifts in a row, lol. Thank you!


Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App
AlliDobie is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Sep 2012
Old 11-21-2012, 07:49 PM   #6 (permalink)
Big Dog
 
Posts: 84
Location: Indiana
Dogs Name: Ole del Nasi
Dogs Age: 6/2012
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit AlliDobie's Gallery
Thanks: 43
Thanked 66 Times in 30 Posts
AlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the roughAlliDobie is a jewel in the rough
I've never seen or heard of it either. It's how Dean Calderon trains and he's been VERY successful and especially in tracking. Was hoping others using this method would chime in and see if I'm doing it correctly lol


Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App
AlliDobie is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Sep 2012
The Following User Says Thank You to AlliDobie For This Useful Post:
donnatoldu2 (11-21-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 07:24 AM   #7 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Posts: 350
Dogs Name: Tell us your dogs name

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit alys's Gallery
Thanks: 1,711
Thanked 542 Times in 236 Posts
alys has a reputation beyond reputealys has a reputation beyond reputealys has a reputation beyond reputealys has a reputation beyond reputealys has a reputation beyond reputealys has a reputation beyond reputealys has a reputation beyond reputealys has a reputation beyond reputealys has a reputation beyond reputealys has a reputation beyond reputealys has a reputation beyond repute
Reminds me of long reining a horse!
alys is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2009
Old 11-22-2012, 12:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Rosamburg's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,893
Location: WA State
Dogs Name: Cairo vom Shattenfell IPO3 (X4), S'lichobor Gvadalahara Sch3 X6 (RIP Hara),
Dogs Age: 5
Gallery Pics: 3
Visit Rosamburg's Gallery
Thanks: 762
Thanked 5,283 Times in 1,516 Posts
Images: 3
Rosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlliDobie View Post
Yes, this occasional steering and holding back a little is what I was told to do in the seminar I went to with starting a puppy. At least what I understood from it, it was an overwhelming amount of info that I was trying to soak in! To help him if needed and slow him down if he was going to fast. We just started the double lines a few weeks ago when I no longer had to pat the track ahead of him to keep him going. The lines for more control.

But I will clarify, I posted the video in the training group that trains by his methods to see what they thought too.

I haven't read that thread in a few weeks, I hoped to this weekend when I have to work 4 night shifts in a row, lol. Thank you!


Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App
As a novice handler it is better to not hold the leash at all than trying to help the dog. Even a young puppy is a much better tracker than we are a trainer. The reverse response reflex in the dog actually usually creates the opposite of what you are trying to achieve. The dog that is being pulled back will try to forge through. We actually start young puppies by doing a circle, about 15' in diameter and then just drop the leash. As the puppy progresses that circle becomes a series of semi circles. The serpentine track is going to help maintaining proper speed.
Rosamburg is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2007
The Following User Says Thank You to Rosamburg For This Useful Post:
AlliDobie (11-23-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 01:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Rosamburg's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,893
Location: WA State
Dogs Name: Cairo vom Shattenfell IPO3 (X4), S'lichobor Gvadalahara Sch3 X6 (RIP Hara),
Dogs Age: 5
Gallery Pics: 3
Visit Rosamburg's Gallery
Thanks: 762
Thanked 5,283 Times in 1,516 Posts
Images: 3
Rosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond reputeRosamburg has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlliDobie View Post
I've never seen or heard of it either. It's how Dean Calderon trains and he's been VERY successful and especially in tracking. Was hoping others using this method would chime in and see if I'm doing it correctly lol


Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App
You and I are not Dean Calderon. To progress to that level takes a long time and a lot of practice, and not just a little talent. I would not try blocking a puppy in the motivational stage of tracking. Certainly if i did not possess the skills to quickly react to what I am reading from the dog. No novice to tracking has yet attained that ability.

I recently started using 2 lines in tracking. However that is with a dog that is further along in tracking (beyond the motivational stage and has learned articles). The one line is attached to the fur saver and I try to maintain constant though light pressure (think thumb and forefinger). The other line is attached to a cable choke collar that I give little pops to, in attempt to block unwanted behavior like veering more than a body length off track or going too fast.

I think it better at this stage of the puppies development to just use the food as the motivator. if there is enough reward the puppy will maintain something close to proper speed.

The puppy needs to work through things, otherwise they become unsure in the work if you try to "do the work for them" by steering. The food is enough reward to motivate the puppy to keep working, especially if they are hungry.

One thing I always try to remember is that even though I laid the track and should know where it goes, the dog is much better at sniffing out the track than I am at seeing the track or remembering exactly where I laid it. My TD, Lance Collins (who also has had great success in tracking), always says in his presentations that dogs are GENIUSES when it comes to tracking, and that we never give them enough credit for what their instincts are capable of.

Last edited by Rosamburg; 11-22-2012 at 01:12 PM..
Rosamburg is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2007
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Rosamburg For This Useful Post:
AlliDobie (11-23-2012), Asmit (11-22-2012), Cathy43 (11-23-2012), Rosemary (11-23-2012)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:46 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0 Beta 2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2 ©2009, Crawlability, Inc.
@2005 - 2008 DobermanTalk.com
PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com