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Old 10-25-2012, 10:48 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Yeah it's pretty insane! If you got EVERY obedience & agility title available in New Zealand your dog would still only have 11 titles haha.
Yeah, I just counted something like 30 AKC agility titles alone. Then, there are at least three more organizations you can earn agility titles from, plus multiple obedience and rally venues.
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I was wondering after reading Asmits' OP.
Have I got it wrong that in order to obtain a schutzhund/IPO title you must do the OB,Tracking and Protection all in one trial?
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I was wondering after reading Asmits' OP.
Have I got it wrong that in order to obtain a schutzhund/IPO title you must do the OB,Tracking and Protection all in one trial?
That is correct. There are other IPO titles you can gain for doing just obedience or just tracking, but to get IPO I, IPO II and IPO III you need to do the tracking, obedience and protection all in one trial.

A bit like working trials in which you need to pass all of the obedience, tracking and agility to get the title you are going for.
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That is correct. There are other IPO titles you can gain for doing just obedience or just tracking, but to get IPO I, IPO II and IPO III you need to do the tracking, obedience and protection all in one trial.

A bit like working trials in which you need to pass all of the obedience, tracking and agility to get the title you are going for.
Here's the link for the rules. http://www.fci.be/circulaires/55-2011-annex-en.pdf The different title requirements and excercises are explained starting on page 29.
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Haha yes matt you must do al three and pass all three on the same day to get the IPO1,2,3.

BUT you may do the obedience 1,2,3 or the tracking 1,2,3 separately. You can not do the protection by itself, but you can do the "Apr1,2,3 (IPOA is the same as Apr 1)" and the apr1-3 is the IPO1-3 without the tracking portion. Basically, in order to do protection, you must do atleast the obedience as well. If you register for the IPO1, and only pass the obedience for example, you do NOT get the ob1 title though. You simply 'fail'.

Having said this though, there is a pretty significant gap for a dog who accomplishes an IPO1-3 versus only the other titles in people's mind. The 'true' test is being able to do all three on the same day and pass them at the same time. Even if the dog does everything but the tracking, the 'imaginary respect level' for an IPO A is much lower than an actual IPO1 for a dog intended for breeding.

People doing the other titles usually have reasons behind it outside of 'just being lazy' or 'not liking that part'. For me, I can't do protection because my dog doesn't have drive. For some others, their dog has some drive to do the bitework, but not enough to handle the upper levels or the trial pressure. And there are some people who didn't start out on the schutzhund track and therefore did not work on tracking, but had the basic obedience and protection platform necessary for the Apr/IPO A titles. If I do the IPO A next spring with argo, it will be because I want the trial experience for him and because he was not started on tracking soon enough and consistently enough to be properly prepared. BUT I will plan on doing the full IPO 1 soon after.
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Haha yes matt you must do al three and pass all three on the same day to get the IPO1,2,3.

BUT you may do the obedience 1,2,3 or the tracking 1,2,3 separately. You can not do the protection by itself but you can do the "Apr1,2,3 (IPOA is the same as Apr 1)" and the apr1-3 is the IPO1-3 without the tracking portion. Basically, in order to do protection, you must do atleast the obedience as well. ,If you register for the IPO1, and only pass the obedience for example, you do NOT get the ob1 title though. You simply 'fail'.

Having said this though, there is a pretty significant gap for a dog who accomplishes an IPO1-3 versus only the other titles in people's mind. The 'true' test is being able to do all three on the same day and pass them at the same time. Even if the dog does everything but the tracking, the 'imaginary respect level' for an IPO A is much lower than an actual IPO1 for a dog intended for breeding.

People doing the other titles usually have reasons behind it outside of 'just being lazy' or 'not liking that part'. For me, I can't do protection because my dog doesn't have drive. For some others, their dog has some drive to do the bitework, but not enough to handle the upper levels or the trial pressure. And there are some people who didn't start out on the schutzhund track and therefore did not work on tracking, but had the basic obedience and protection platform necessary for the Apr/IPO A titles. If I do the IPO A next spring with argo, it will be because I want the trial experience for him and because he was not started on tracking soon enough and consistently enough to be properly prepared. BUT I will plan on doing the full IPO 1 soon after.
Actually, you can. Aside from the SPr title being available outside of the US, within the United States the AWMA (American Working Malinois Association) decided to implement the new rules / titles as described by the FCI rules, including a stand-alone protection title. Additionally, in the DVG the only requirement to trial in protection is that one of the other two phases also be completed, it can be obedience OR tracking.
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Have you ever seen that title offered in a trial? I have yet to see it in any of the trial listings thus far. Not sure why someone would even bother with that. Having completed the ob or tr first makes a bit more sense though.
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Have you ever seen that title offered in a trial? I have yet to see it in any of the trial listings thus far. Not sure why someone would even bother with that. Having completed the ob or tr first makes a bit more sense though.
Do you mean the SPr title? If so you'd have to look at AWMA trials specifically (there was one in MA on Oct 6th that advertised it). I don't know if any of the other organizations in the US offer it, but I know UScA and the DVG do not, so if that's where you are looking you won't see it listed.

If you're referring to the tracking / protection combination available in the DVG, yes I've seen it offered and know of dogs that have T/P titles.
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Do you mean the SPr title? If so you'd have to look at AWMA trials specifically (there was one in MA on Oct 6th that advertised it). I don't know if any of the other organizations in the US offer it, but I know UScA and the DVG do not, so if that's where you are looking you won't see it listed.

If you're referring to the tracking / protection combination available in the DVG, yes I've seen it offered and know of dogs that have T/P titles.
I meant the Spr title. And yes I've only looked at USca and dvg trials, so never seen it before.
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Haha yes matt you must do al three and pass all three on the same day to get the IPO1,2,3.
To my knowledge, most trials are done over two days. Sometimes handlers will trial every phase in one day and sometimes it will be split up. So in order to get an IPO title, all three phases must be passed in one trial, not one day...depends on the schedule.
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To my knowledge, most trials are done over two days. Sometimes handlers will trial every phase in one day and sometimes it will be split up. So in order to get an IPO title, all three phases must be passed in one trial, not one day...depends on the schedule.
Sorry yes you are correct. Some trials are one day, some are two. I should have said same 'trial'.
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Ok! Here are some 'progress' videos:

The first is of Drama, a very young girl that I may start trialing in 2014 (outside of the BH of course). She has just recently began working with fading out the luring with hands to watching with focus. We're mainly working environmental distractions stuff and these bottles were hitting the back of her feet most steps. I was/am very proud of how she reacted to it. I didn't mean to drag the tunnel with us, and she sort of 'told me' that a giant tunnel was following her.
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And here is Argo. We have an official trial date for next month as we just his papers in the US. I wanted to do the whole pattern to see where he was lacking and test his endurance. I'm not going to do it again until the day of the trial because I was happy with his performance. He drops his head a couple times when I drop food down his back onto the ground, and also on the first two left turns. We're going to need more work on turns before the IPO1 but overall I'm happy with his positioning thus far. I also gave a sit command on recall because we had not done one at that distance and I wanted to make sure he didn't blow my off. It was probably completely unnecessary though.
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No obedience updates here. We've been doing tracking, instead. I need to really start working with Leo, though. I think everything she learned earlier has leaked out her ears. I haven't even worked on her retrieve in days. (Bad Mommy ) On the bright side though, she wants to get in the car, now, and hasn't been carsick in a month.

ETA: Since it is "later on" in the year, I also need to start working with Ilka again. It's just that my "real" life seems to keep getting in my way.
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The smaller trials are usually one-day. It's hard enough to get workers for a one day. And 2 days is more expensive for already cash- strapped clubs.
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Asmit: those vids were cool, I liked the idea with the plastic bottles! she virtually paid no attention at all to them! Awesome. You did look like a mad old bag lady with all that garbage following you around though

The second vid was cool, impressive stuff but I did chuckle because it looked like a monty python sketch the way you disappeared off screen and then reappeared somewhere else it's a shame you couldn't get someone to film it for you.

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Asmit: those vids were cool, I liked the idea with the plastic bottles! she virtually paid no attention at all to them! Awesome. You did look like a mad old bag lady with all that garbage following you around though

The second vid was cool, impressive stuff but I did chuckle because it looked like a monty python sketch the way you disappeared off screen and then reappeared somewhere else it's a shame you couldn't get someone to film it for you.

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I planned on only using the video for 'myself' as I've never seen what Argo and I actually look like from an outside perspective, I realized we'd be out of the frame a few times, but it got the job done.

The plastic bottles are a great distraction prop. Its a 3-4' long pvc pipe with about 6 strands of wire threading about 5-7 bottles through it. We can hang it over jumps, heel over them, shake them, and so on. Probably one of my favorite environmental distractions props we use. Now its a tangled mess, so dragging it on the floor worked This is a very mild distraction compared to a PSA field but we plan to dabble in some of this, and strange distractions and objects are used all over the place in it. It's loud in video, but in person, it is so freaking obnoxiously noisy. It scares me more than the dogs!
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Nice videos Asmit! Might steal the plastic bottles idea!

Just in the process of purchasing the Michael Ellis DVD "Advanced Concepts in Motivation" from someone on another dog forum - so excited for it to arrive! Am now on summer holidays until Feb, so have aaallllllll summer to get Elsie's training back on track after my super slack exam period! We need to get heel work sorted, need to build more motivation for doing heel work in a ring environment, and have a lot of agility training to do (and a bit of tracking too!)
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Just in the process of purchasing the Michael Ellis DVD "Advanced Concepts in Motivation" from someone on another dog forum - so excited for it to arrive! Am now on summer holidays until Feb, so have aaallllllll summer to get Elsie's training back on track after my super slack exam period! We need to get heel work sorted, need to build more motivation for doing heel work in a ring environment, and have a lot of agility training to do (and a bit of tracking too!)
I have the focused heeling by him with me right now, and I was slightly disappointed. If I had watched the dvd last year I may have been blown away, but it didn't offer me anything unique or new. The parts of it that could have been useful were also far to vague to offer any worthy advice. I like some of his others dvd's but the heeling one was a bit of a let down for me!
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Oh glad I am not getting that one then! I am thinking of going on as an observer for one of Fanny Gott's heel work courses, they are quite cheap! One of my friends is doing it and said she has learned sooo much (she has been in competitive obedience for years, and competes at the highest level). Hopefully the DVD I am getting will teach me something new, that's the problem with spending all of your free time reading about dog training... It's hard to find totally new concepts that make you go WOW!
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Oh glad I am not getting that one then! I am thinking of going on as an observer for one of Fanny Gott's heel work courses, they are quite cheap! One of my friends is doing it and said she has learned sooo much (she has been in competitive obedience for years, and competes at the highest level). Hopefully the DVD I am getting will teach me something new, that's the problem with spending all of your free time reading about dog training... It's hard to find totally new concepts that make you go WOW!
yup that's the exact problem I had and I don't even know that much!! Sounds like that heeling workshop will be something you don't wanna miss out on
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I have the heeling video in my rental list. Is it worth renting? Leo has "anything BUT focused" heeling at the moment. We were just out, and sits, downs, and article indication were good (considering it was her first ever article indication session). Recall was pretty good, but she was only on a 6' lead. Heeling.... well, that's another story entirely.
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I have the heeling video in my rental list. Is it worth renting? Leo has "anything BUT focused" heeling at the moment. We were just out, and sits, downs, and article indication were good (considering it was her first ever article indication session). Recall was pretty good, but she was only on a 6' lead. Heeling.... well, that's another story entirely.
I don't know where you are at in your heeling process, but if you're at a loss as to where to go now, I think it would be worthwhile. For me, I was looking for something unique, but I had already taught the general idea of Ellis's focused heeling, so the dvd didn't offer much in that respect. All three dogs I am training though have focused heeling down and know what is expected as far as attention and no lures. If you are still partially in the luring phase, I'd highly recommend it due to how he goes through the steps of fading the luring.
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