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Old 12-14-2012, 09:17 PM   #626 (permalink)
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I'm presently going thru bar knocking problems with Fei. I guess I'll have to make sure that I train at 24". Everybody tells me it's a baby dog thing but I've never had one knock bars like her. Of course I've never had one quite as fast. It seems like it's always something.
I think part of it can be the fact that they are not as experienced, but there are so many different things that affected dogs jumping. Knocked bars can have so many different origins, it can be a puzzle in and of itself to figure out the source/cause of the bars.

Fei sounds a bit like Draco. He is extremely fast and driven with an incredible stride length. He tries hard to clear the bars, but knocks bars periodically. It only takes a split second decision on his part in regards to where to take off, and which direction he is turning. If he misjudges the takeoff it can mean he skims the bar and knocks it. He REALLY flattens out in straight stretches and off the start line, increasing his potential to knock bars.

Draco just needs a lot of experience in judging the different situations. In these cases I work a lot of jump grids with varied spacings and heights. He has to really think about here he is taking off and how high he has to jump.

Ava on the other hand has something different. Ava is and always will be a bar knocker. She has what is called "Early Take-off Syndrome" No matter what we have done to correct, fix or alter her jumping she can not correctly determine the correct point to take off from. She jumps WAY early, so the arc of her jump is on the downward slope before she even clears the bar. Of course when she knocks a bar, it only further intensifies the problem. Because of her poor jumping she can only run on certain, more forgiving, surfaces. Ava is handled very carefully to reduce the pressure on her to take of her, placement of crosses to alter her take off point are helpful.
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Agile Dobe I will have to take a look at that book!
And maybe it's not a flatten issue... Here is his typical take off. He's pretty flat but seems to jump way higher than he needs too, granted it's not a bad thing, but just wish he would
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I think I need to go back to some jump grids and see how she does . Maybe I need to make that a regular part of our training instead of just occasional.
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Agile Dobe I will have to take a look at that book!
And maybe it's not a flatten issue... Here is his typical take off. He's pretty flat but seems to jump way higher than he needs too, granted it's not a bad thing, but just wish he would

That's quite a distance.
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We have done a lot of grids and jumps chutes. We did a jump class this summer. All grids and chutes with one jump work on all the different jumps with FCs, RC, Wraps, etc. We even put the tire, triple and double in the chutes - it was fun to watch the dogs figure it out.
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That's quite a distance.
That jump is out of context - he has to clear with his chest and his chest is not very much above the jump. What would be worrying is if his arc brings him down onto the jump - the early-takeoff-syndrome mentioned earlier.

Yoda had a good 25ft stride when he was moving fast (he might be short but being long he could get a long stride going) and since he jumped preferred (20") he could be flat as a pancake and still clear the jump. He has an inverted style which is not the best style in the world and I taught him to jump collected. Left to his own devices, he will jump inverted with a huge stride provided we are moving fast.

Here he is jumping 24" early on showing the inverted style with a long stride:



and here he is jumping collected because we were just getting going:



Jill over-jumps for fun (and she is a Kelpie). when her pubic symphysis was out of position, she wouldn't take a jump or a contact for anything.
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It can be very hard to tell at times what is going on in pictures in regards to jumping, you can't always get the full story. I love video for analyzing jumping. I can slow it down and watch for the changes in stride and take off landing placement. I can watching the arc of their jump and what they do with their body. It is really very interesting.

Another interesting thing I think people overlook is the fact that just because a dog doesn't knock bars doesn't mean it is a good jumper. I have seen more than a few dogs who don't have great jumping style, but their shear athleticism makes up for it. Then their are dogs who are physically hindered by their structure and will always have to work harder at jumping.

I put this together as I think it shows really nice jumping form, and I happened to have a perfect set of photos to overlay (that was hard to find!!). It is the same jump, just a different order to the dogs. Notice how the highest point of the arc is centered over the jump, not before or after. It is a nice rounded jump, which is very typical for Grace. She is fantastic jumper and has only knocked a handful of bars in ~5 years. She has an amazing natural ability to adjust her stride, take off point and jump height.



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Pula and I successfully navigated our first agility trial. She did great and exceeded my expectations. She had a good sit stay at the line and made all her contacts. We got a Q (and a 1st place) in Novice Jumpers. We did not Q in Standard, as she smacked into the chute and would not go back in. That put me behind to stay back with her, and she balked a little at the later tunnel but eventually went in (I also gave a poor line as I was thinking too much about getting to the tunnel exit for a front cross).

The day was a little nervewracking as this was the first time I have run two dogs in a trial (only run 10ish or days of trials before anyway). The open standard run with my Sheltie was the same time as the Novice Jumpers so I had to walk both courses at the same time.

That was the first time that I have run her in a real ring.

We run again tomorrow, then I'll think about what to do next based on how she does.

No video of the jumpers (as I forgot to ask anyone). Here is the standard run - not that pretty overall, but again good start, good contacts, and she and I had fun.

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Wow! Wow! Wow! You guys did great. You have come along way with her. Great Job.
Keep the contacts. So hard to get back if you lose them. Looking forward to
hearing/seeing more runs.
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That was really nice. She looks well trained and super fast. I note with envy, no knocked bars.
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Wow - she looks great. Chutes are not V's favorite either. Nice contacts!

Vader went to the Agility club's holiday party last night which was like a fun run. He had a blast. His first run his brain wasn't quite engaged but after that he was fantastic. I had him to the "excellect" jumpers course with some tight turns and tricky angels - he handled it beautifully. It's so fun when it all comes together
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Ah for the want of a chute. Pula would not finish it today so I did not push it. The rest of her standard run was good. We also Q'd in Jumpers again. She was a good girl.

So in her first trial, she went 2 for 4. Now to put her in the chute and shake it off.

She got a lot of compliments at the show on how fun she was to watch. Not many dobies running where I am (note that I have never seen one myself).

Jsut the one video - jumpers. Note that I had to call her off the tunnel and I was late on cueing her turns. First at the front cross and second at the weaves. I did not give a turn cue and I was way late to use a deceleration cue. Note that she gave me a good sit stay.

I really had fun running her. She is fun to run. ON a side note, I got my first double Q in open with my sheltie today also. Fun day.

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What a good girlie! Maybe a modified lead out to cue the turn and not tunnel would have worked?? It hard to tell until your actually walking the course. Congrats on the double Q! And on Pula's Qs!
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rocketdoc Ah for the want of a chute. Pula would not finish it today so I did not push it. The rest of her standard run was good. We also Q'd in Jumpers again. She was a good girl.[quote]

Atlas went through a faze this past summer where he decided he did not care for the chute either. It seems he would scrape his back going into the chute and until he figured out that he had to duck more it won`t hurt/annoy him or? (I found this out by looking at the video films of his run) And him being a boy he is taller than most of the girls.)

I worked on it at home and the chute became a high value obstacle for him and to transfer it in a trial I pretty much babysat the chute. Anyway he has no more issues with the chute.
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Curious if anyone knows......

How many male/female MACH dobermans have their been? I know a lot are female, but I was just curious if there was anyway to find out how many males vs females their have been.
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I don't know what the breakdown is but from what I see at the trials the males are in the minority. Intact males even more so. JMO
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How many male/female MACH dobermans have their been? I know a lot are female, but I was just curious if there was anyway to find out how many males vs females their have been.
I posted an article on here a few years ago with the a gender breakdown of agility dogs in NZ - it was very interesting, there were way more CH bitches than dogs in the sport here Was not really broken into how many per breed though (there has never been an agility/jumpers CH Dobe here though anyway).
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Curious if anyone knows......

How many male/female MACH dobermans have their been? I know a lot are female, but I was just curious if there was anyway to find out how many males vs females their have been.
I want to say I saw it posted on the DobeAgility list but can't remember when.

ADAMAS has the only mother/daughter team though Too bad it's not Flirtie I can't even get into Exc JWW but we have fun!

Most of the Dobes where I trial are females. This weekend we did have 3 males and 4-5 females. Boy was Havoc in Heaven! HI HI OMG DOBE OMG DOBE OMG DOBE. We ran after a really crazy (I use that word with admiration) boy named Dylan out of Havok (sp? - I think a Tex littermate) owned by a nice lady named Linda. I could only watch half his runs since havoc was behind him, but the intensity in his eyes and the shaking before they went in was heaven to me!
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I want to say I saw it posted on the DobeAgility list but can't remember when.

ADAMAS has the only mother/daughter team though Too bad it's not Flirtie I can't even get into Exc JWW but we have fun!

Most of the Dobes where I trial are females. This weekend we did have 3 males and 4-5 females. Boy was Havoc in Heaven! HI HI OMG DOBE OMG DOBE OMG DOBE. We ran after a really crazy (I use that word with admiration) boy named Dylan out of Havok (sp? - I think a Tex littermate) owned by a nice lady named Linda. I could only watch half his runs since havoc was behind him, but the intensity in his eyes and the shaking before they went in was heaven to me!
I knew that about ADAMAS (I think that is really neat)

Also since you said something about Dobe agility I went searching and found something from the end of 2005...
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How many male/female MACH dobermans have their been? I know a lot are female, but I was just curious if there was anyway to find out how many males vs females their have been.
Here are some numbers for you, they reflect all of the MACH's up through the end of November of this year.

There are 89 MACH Dobermans: 74 Females + 15 Males
There are 13 CH MACH Dobermans, including 1 Triple Champion (CH OTCH MACH).
There are 2 OTCH MACH Dobermans, including 1 Triple Champion.

The highest MACH is MACH11.
The highest MACH held by a Champion is MACH6.
The highest MACH held by a male is MACH2 (6-way tie).
There are no CH or OTCH titled MACH males.

Breakdown by MACH number:
89 - MACH1
44 - MACH2
19 - MACH3
13 - MACH4
8 - MACH5
7 - MACH6
1 - MACH7 through 11
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That's awesome!

Don't mind me asking how did you find that out...
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That's awesome!

Don't mind me asking how did you find that out...
I have kept a list for several years, but didn't have an accurate way to catch all of them, but it was close. Now I use dogshowscores.com. They have a feature where you can search by breed and title. It pulls up all of the MACH dobermans, plus all of their other titles. Via the AKC I can look up the sex on the ones I don't know. I periodically run a search to find any new MACH dogs to add to my list, or see if a dog has earned another MACH.
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I guess this weekend Jones had to bring me back down to earth, after last weekends great runs, this weekend (4 day trial) Jones had a total of 2 Q's and those were in T2B....
Some were my fault... Getting lost on the course multiple times... sigh.... him knocking a bar because I was talking to him mid air... bad me.... but other things I don't know what was going on with him... He stopped in the weaves mid weave, he missed his weave entry, both very un-Jones like.... I pulled him off the course once because he totally just blew me off, so he got picked up again...

I did learn one thing this weekend... that I need to learn to STAND UP! Because every time I bend forward, Jones goes away from me no matter what I say. If I say here, but am bent over while I say it, he is going to go wide, or take something that might be off course.
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