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alwayshadpets · 12-03-2012, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cathy43

Did he miss the down on the dogwalk? That's the only thing these old eyes could see and I never saw a hand go up. Nice smooth runs though.

No not the DW

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Originally Posted by VZ-Doberman

Also saw no hand go up. Mistake at the helpers table?

No

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Originally Posted by Jonesy'sMom

The only thing maybe minus the end of the dogwalk I can't see (bug judges hand didn't go up)... If you watch where he takes the triple (the judges hand may or may not go up, she's almost over the pic) did he go over the stand? .

Very Good thats it Atlas sliced over the wing on the triple darn it

**Jenny** · 12-03-2012, 06:55 AM

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And Jenny Jones got a massage on Friday before he ran anything... She said he felt great no spasms (well 2) but he felt really loose and good.[/QUOTE]

When the horses get messaged - they get 24 hrs off after. . . Same with V's chiro. 24 of rest after appt then back to work

alwayshadpets · 12-03-2012, 06:58 AM

If i had a do over and don`t we wish we could in agility. I should have led out to the jump and FC to give Atlas a better approach to the triple, plus he would not have done his what I call fly by (which he did to the judge) He does it less now, but it is still there.

LIke I said we are still a work in progress.

ZeldaRules · 12-03-2012, 07:13 AM

Here is our graduation run from this past Thursday. Novice competition class in January is full so we are on a waiting list...hopefully by then a spot will open up!

I definitely see some mistakes I made, but some of it is Prime too...he knows better ;p My favorite dog in our class is a Chessie and Prime is posing with him and their certificates at the end of the video.

grad

Cathy43 · 12-03-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by alwayshadpets

No not the DW

No

Very Good thats it Atlas sliced over the wing on the triple darn it

HaHa! I thought it looked like he sliced it but couldn't tell how bad from the video. Bummer.

Adara · 12-03-2012, 09:38 AM

A lot of dogs seem to have issues with weaves that go "nowhere", to a wall, end of ring, etc. We have a few trials at ahorse facility and the weavees are almost always set up like that. Our instructor has been purpoely setting up practice for the dogs with the weaves like that.

**Jenny** · 12-03-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeldaRules

Here is our graduation run from this past Thursday. Novice competition class in January is full so we are on a waiting list...hopefully by then a spot will open up!

I definitely see some mistakes I made, but some of it is Prime too...he knows better ;p My favorite dog in our class is a Chessie and Prime is posing with him and their certificates at the end of the video.

grad

Why the stop on the AF? Just wondering as I don't see many big dogs with a stop. It is hard on their front ends. V has a running AF. and teeter and DW. We never thought about stopping him on the AF. His natural stride works well.

ZeldaRules · 12-03-2012, 12:17 PM

Jenny, we are in the training stages of agility and working hard on our contacts. They want us to have a solid foundation and emphasize good contacts so instead of having us just blow through the course they wanted us to stop every now and then and reward/praise for the contacts. I should ask them about any negative effects on their front end. The instructors mainly have Goldens and GSDs on their team so they should be able to tell me.

Adara · 12-03-2012, 12:58 PM

We still train a 2o2o stop on all contacts. I release early so they don't stop that long but I teach it as a 2o2o. I want Flirt and Havoc to keep moving and keep their speed and confidence so I don't often stop them but I want the ability to stop them.

**Jenny** · 12-03-2012, 02:01 PM

I have never trained 2o2o on the AF - We started him low and slowly raised him up to full height. I mean slowly. He has never had to stop on the AF - Teeter, yes and DW he can stop but we are training running. He is a big boy though - 84lbs and 27.5 inches. We felt it is easier on his body to train running on all equipment. I won't even trial him at 24" - I want to preserve his body as much as I can. I think for the lighter dogs the 2o2o is great - somethimes I wish he stopped - I need to catch up!

Adara · 12-03-2012, 02:09 PM

We teach them to lean back and take the weight off their shoulders. Whether or not they DO that in a trial, I am not sure

We do that from the beginning in HOPES that it sticks though. There are a few different methods. But we also teach them to gracefully (in hopes anyway) go over the Apex without flying and keeping their natural stride.

alwayshadpets · 12-03-2012, 04:32 PM

[quote=Adara;1200791]We teach them to lean back and take the weight off their shoulders. Whether or not they DO that in a trial, I am not sure

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Now thats the key, whether they do it in a trial .

I am working hard on that for Atlas. Training he is perfect, trialing thats a whole new ball of wax. He likes to site see (body guard that he is

) or launch some.

I actually do prefer a trot down the bottom. Easier on their bodies. We pretty much have it on the DW. The AFrame is under reconstruction.

Jonesy'sMom · 12-03-2012, 06:32 PM

Interesting... I just got the results back from the trial secretary... Someone didn't transcribe his sheet right... Apparently he Q'd in T2B on Saturday.
(I know it was transcribed wrong because I saw the scribe sheet before it was taken up)... Hmmmmm

Also here are Jonesy's weave poles... my backyard isn't very big this is the only way they really fit, so you can see the fence is probably about the distance of a pole away...
(he is doing them in Jammies cause someone wanted to see him do weaves in them... I don't practice with him in them just for the photos)

**Jenny** · 12-04-2012, 07:07 AM

Jammies in FL??? Is it that cold down there? We are still in the 80s. Wondering if winter will ever get here???

He looks very cute weaving in his Jammies

VZ-Doberman · 12-04-2012, 09:01 AM

I always check the yellow sheet. I had the same thing happen to Bacchus on a Fast run. They didn't give him credit for an obstacle. I had to get the judge to fix it.

They owe you a Q ribbon!!

the_discowhore · 12-04-2012, 02:09 PM

2x2 weave training is our thing at the moment - we're up to chapter 4/5 now... Practised in the POURING rain yesterday at the park... Can't say that we're not dedicated!!

rocketdoc · 12-04-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Adara

We still train a 2o2o stop on all contacts. I release early so they don't stop that long but I teach it as a 2o2o. I want Flirt and Havoc to keep moving and keep their speed and confidence so I don't often stop them but I want the ability to stop them.

I also teach 2o2o for all contacts and we work to keep her slower and back so as to keep the load off of her shoulders. I do not do a commanded "touch" it is the expected finish to a 2o2o. The command is only to release her. As we are sure she really has it, I will begin to release earlier to speed her up.

As it is now, Pula goes up quickly but slows over the top and comes down slowly and controlled to a 2o2o. I want this as my default behavior, not a fast up and down that, for Pula right now, invites an early bail out without a contact. We will evolve to a running contact on the A-frame when she is ready.

Lisa

Jonesy'sMom · 12-04-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny

Jammies in FL??? Is it that cold down there? We are still in the 80s. Wondering if winter will ever get here???

He looks very cute weaving in his Jammies

It does, typically in the morning around this time of year we are in the low 30's and it's a wet cold...

the_discowhore · 12-05-2012, 11:39 PM

Weaving 4 poles in a row now! Woohoo!

**Jenny** · 12-06-2012, 08:37 AM

We have a trial on sunday - not running saturday due to 2 partis I have to go to. It's DOCNA. We going to do trigility & 2 time gambles classes. Goal for the weekend it to have V weave in his gamble classes. We do DOCNA for trial experience. It fun and very low key.

**Jenny** · 12-09-2012, 07:09 PM

Well. We added a trigility run (free) cause they needed to complete a team so we ended up doing 4 runs. We got 3Qs out of four. The NQ was my error. Stepped on the gamble line. Grrrrr. I was so mad at myself as he did the gamble section super fast and accurate! Oh we'll we Qd in both our strategic time gambles. And the best part - he weaved in a trial and was fast! So proud of my boy. He was a super star. My friend Barb taped his runs so I'll post them when I get them. Probably later this week. On to akc! I wanted him to weave in a trial before we tried JWW. Got my replacement jump height card so we are ready! Lol.

Trigility, for those that don't run DOCNA, is a relay. One jumpers section (no weaves) a standard section and a gamble. They go in that order. The dog must be under control before then next can start. It's really fun.

So he got his intern trigility title. They have 3 classes beginner, intern, and specialist.

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Jonesy'sMom · 12-14-2012, 06:14 AM

Question:

What height do you guys practice at? The place where I practice, the owner, was making it a big deal that I don't practice at 24". I typically practice at 20" sometimes at 16". And the practice before a trial I will move the jumps up to 24".

Jones isn't a bar knocker by any means, I'd love to flatten his jump out just a tad (but no idea how too). Anyways. I feel like practicing him at his competition height is really putting unnecessary stress on his joints. Crazy? Thoughts?

**Jenny** · 12-14-2012, 07:31 AM

No. I don't think so. Especially if he doesn't knock bars. V does any where from 16 to 22. If we have all big dogs in class we jump either 20 or 22. If there are a few shorter dogs sometimes we all jump 16 so we don't have to keep setting bars. The lower jumps can make them faster as they don't have the air time. Although before trials we all jump or competition height. V runs preferred/preformance so 22 is as high as he will have to jump. He's a big boy and I don't think he needs to jump 24 or 26. He is more then capable of doing the regular class heights, but I worry about his joints.

What do you mean by flatten out his jumps?

AgileDobe · 12-14-2012, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonesy'sMom

Question:

What height do you guys practice at? The place where I practice, the owner, was making it a big deal that I don't practice at 24". I typically practice at 20" sometimes at 16". And the practice before a trial I will move the jumps up to 24".

Jones isn't a bar knocker by any means, I'd love to flatten his jump out just a tad (but no idea how too). Anyways. I feel like practicing him at his competition height is really putting unnecessary stress on his joints. Crazy? Thoughts?

I practice at 24" 99% of the time, if I drop the height down I go to 20" but I don't do that very often. Considering I trial nearly every weekend, I don't really have any off time to drop the jumps. If I was working something like weave entries from a jump I might drop the height. I think it is important for the dogs to see their competition height when it comes to some of the difficult challenges, turns, and spacings we work in class. It would be much easier for them to work at a lower height, but that isn't really the point.

What's more important to me is the surface I train on, when it comes to protecting their joints. I train on dirt in the winter and grass in the summer. I would never train on (even though I trial on) hard mats. I also see dogs who train on hard or slippery mats who never reach their full running/jumping abilities as they don't know how to properly dig in and extend their stride.

You could look in to Linda Mecklenburg's Jumping Skills, there may be something in there that is helpful. Rounded jumping isn't a bad thing, dogs with the best form usually jump in a more rounded fashion, but they should be able to jump flatter and adjust their takeoff points as needed on a course. Is the spacing wide open straight lines, flatter jumping would be better. Tight turns with wraps or backside jumps, you want rounded jumping.

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Originally Posted by Jenny

What do you mean by flatten out his jumps?

Dogs have different jumping styles based on their take off point, it results in a different shape to the arc of their jump. The closer a dog takes off and lands next a jump the more "rounded" their jumping is. When a dog takes off farther and lands farther away from a jump it results in a "flatter" jump. Some dogs gravitate more strongly towards one end or the other, and have a hard time jumping with more collection which results in a more rounded jump, while others have a harder time jumping with extension and a flatter arc. Ideally a dog should be able to freely do both and change it up as needed based on the spacing of the jumps. Often when dogs are jumping at a lower height than normal they will flat out as the lower height is easier.

Cathy43 · 12-14-2012, 06:11 PM

I'm presently going thru bar knocking problems with Fei. I guess I'll have to make sure that I train at 24". Everybody tells me it's a baby dog thing but I've never had one knock bars like her. Of course I've never had one quite as fast. It seems like it's always something.