adhahn

This is the working forum of DT. Assuming that MarcosDad is who he says he is, then he should receive a warm welcome regardless or how old the thread is that brought him here.

There are only a handful of knowledgeable working dog people who post here. Why on earth would we want to talk snooty to or run off an actual experienced helper? Especially when the OP was inappropriate to begin with.

MarcosDad- welcome to DT. I hope you stick around and contribute some expertise to discussions here.

To anyone else who visits a club and ends up feeling like the OP- please pause for a moment and realize that whenever any one of us are new to a activity we really have no idea how much we don't know. It just makes sense to be humble, listen and observe.

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Rosemary

When your dog has the described "street bite", and your dog is not an official police K9, you run the risk of getting sued by said guy.

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Sinister

Hence, my laugh.

I would rather have a "sissy" sport dog than a liability.

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adhahn

I understood his point, as would pretty much anyone who has a moderate amount of knowledge/experience with working dogs.

If people want to participate in Schutzhund as a sport that’s OK. IMO SchH needs “sport” people. If the only folks who participated were breeders and brokers it would hardly exist. Ultimately though the true purpose of SchH is to test dogs. The guy is explaining that he puts forth effort to help dogs be the best they can be, but when it’s all said and done, SchH is still a test. He explained that he tries to be polite but that he isn’t going to lie to people about their dogs.

A helper is the person applying pressure to the dogs. A good helper will read the dogs and work them as is appropriate to the individual animal, increasing or decreasing pressure and stimulating drives to try and achieve the most progress out of a dog every training session.

A good helper knows dogs. An experienced helper has worked a variety of dogs. A helper with LE K9 experience has seen which dogs actually perform in real life.

It’s obvious to me that the “street bite” comment wasn’t meant to be taken literally. The point is that unless you know what a “real” dog is, what in the heck are you basing your opinions on?

Or in other words, its poor decorum to run one's mouth when you don’t know what the heck you are talking about. Listen, learn, grow and gain some experience before telling other people how you’re the expert and they are all jacked up.

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KissNme

I think I must sound nicer on DT then what I am in real life. My first thought was "forget the bite suit. Pour bacon grease or something else just on the crotch area without any padding." Just sayin!

Oh, and as dumb as I am about many things I still know there is no cure for stupid. I'm thinking of several people I work with as I write this line. LOL

Rosamburg

Hey, you could just borrow Cairo, she does not need bacon grease. She is kind of short, and the past few sessions we have had to block her from sneaking under the sleeve and taking a cheap shot at the helper's junk. She will likely never experience a bite suit.