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Old 06-25-2010, 06:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Teaching the "pivot" in the about turn.

Our club members all do the "go around" for the about turn in Schutzhund obedience. I feel Cash is fast enough to learn the "pivot" turn, or military flip. He already does the pivot when we do the finish to basic position.

How do you train it??
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Old 06-25-2010, 06:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Our club members all do the "go around" for the about turn in Schutzhund obedience. I feel Cash is fast enough to learn the "pivot" turn, or military flip. He already does the pivot when we do the finish to basic position.

How do you train it??
Haus is naturally flippy, and loves to jump and do turns mid air so this was really easy for him. I first taught him the heel position a couple steps at a time and reinforced a lot. Once he knew the position with some basic motion I started reinforcing the position while standing. I would have him in heel, tell him to stay, then move a step laterally away from him, and tell him heel, at which point he had to move sideways to regain his heel, then he'd get rewarded. This was especially good when he was working for his ball and was in full drive during the exercises.

I then varied the distance and angle at which I would move or pivot away from him before asking for the heel again. So he essentially did half pivots for a few repetitions. Then eventually I stood facing him, asked him to heel and he did the full pivot. He's done it ever since.

Mind you, I have never taught him the round about way before that.
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Okie are you talking about a flip to finish. In other words the dog is at front and you want him to jump to heel position as opposed to going around? If so I have always called it the flip finish so if that is what your are referring to - I have the dog at front and take one quick step right straight into him as I say Fus and he has to jump to get out of the way and I direct him back to heel position with the leash to guide him to flip around and back to heel.

Hope that is what you were asking.
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Okie are you talking about a flip to finish. In other words the dog is at front and you want him to jump to heel position as opposed to going around? If so I have always called it the flip finish so if that is what your are referring to - I have the dog at front and take one quick step right straight into him as I say Fus and he has to jump to get out of the way and I direct him back to heel position with the leash to guide him to flip around and back to heel.

Hope that is what you were asking.
That's how I teach the flip too.
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oh sorry, I totally missed the part where you said this was for the about turn, not the finish! :p I would just do various heeling exercises where you move away from the dog or back, etc and the dog has to keep fighting to remain in his heel position. The more you do this in drive, the more flashy it becomes, the faster and harder the dog will fight to remain in heel. You should be able to pirouette yourself and the dog should move forward and backwards with you to remain in heel. Once he does that and knows to fight to stay in heel regardless of where and how you move, the flip about turn should just become an automatic extension of his heeling.
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Cash already does the flip finish. I am teaching him the flip while moving (about turn). Here is a video of my friend doing the flip during her BH with her Mal.Login | Facebook
I actually spoke with her tonight and she gave me some training tips for it.
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It is actually not a "pivot" (for the dog) if done correctly. The terminology they (rulebook) uses for the turn is called an FCI International Turn or back up in place (which is what the dog must do, if done correctly - not pivot) to stay in heel position as the handler makes the turn. Many people also refer to it as a military about turn. Judges are hitting pretty heavy, especially in the higher level competitons, on handlers using this type of turn because many handlers that use it, make more of a U turn, then the correct International turn. The key to whichever turn you use - so as not to lose points - is to remember that you must come directly back over the path made when approaching the turn (no extra steps or U turns).

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It is actually not a "pivot" (for the dog) if done correctly. The terminology they (rulebook) uses for the turn is called an FCI International Turn or back up in place (which is what the dog must do, if done correctly - not pivot) to stay in heel position as the handler makes the turn. Many people also refer to it as a military about turn. Judges are hitting pretty heavy, especially in the higher level competitons, on handlers using this type of turn because many handlers that use it, make more of a U turn, then the correct International turn. The key to whichever turn you use - so as not to lose points - is to remember that you must come directly back over the path made when approaching the turn (no extra steps or U turns).
Did you see the video that I posted? To me it looks like a pivot. If her turn is incorrect she has never been nailed for it. Actually judges always comment how nice it is. Do you have any video of it being done correctly?
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Did you see the video that I posted? To me it looks like a pivot. If her turn is incorrect she has never been nailed for it. Actually judges always comment how nice it is. Do you have any video of it being done correctly?
The link took me to a facebook login page - no video
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Did you see the video that I posted? To me it looks like a pivot. If her turn is incorrect she has never been nailed for it. Actually judges always comment how nice it is. Do you have any video of it being done correctly?
No offense intended...I did not see your video - but did see the log in request to Facebook. Was just clarifying what the rule book states and the correct terminology for future use. There are many videos on U-Tube of International Competitions....where the International About Turn is utilized that you could watch - I believe John Soares has a few on his site with his Mal and Dobe.
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Oh I know you were just explaining the rule. I just wanted to know if I was viewing the correct about turn in my friends video. Anyways I can't bring up her video..sorry. Someone sent me this one, this dog has beautiful obedience and the about turn is awesome. Hopefully I copied it correctly. http://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?...&no_autoplay=1 His foot thing is very strange at the beginning though..lol
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actually what he's doing is loading his dog, bringing up the drive, instead of just sitting there waiting to start doing nothing, lowering the drive.
his foot work at the start is one of the first things to teach your dog in the find the leg, and focus, before you even start 1 step healing.
the dog is locked on the left leg, you can step forward or backwards with the right leg and the dog is suppose to stay next to the left leg,
bend your upper body forward or backwards, the stays locked on the leg, foundation work from a puppy to sch 3 he is still getting inside his dogs head this way.

the shoe size steps turns is the stationary about turn,
the most important thing is making sure the dogs butt follows yours, make sure he sits square,
hold the tab close to your leg, then you'll want to start making the small square larger and larger.

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