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Red face CD, RN, RA, CGC, WAC??? What?

I am a little overwhelmed by all of the abbreviations...

I know I sound stupid but I was wondering what is the very basic obedience title you can get? I don't understand the levels if there are any. Like SchH1, SchH2, SchH3... I get those because they are numbered, and I know what Schutzhund is. lol

Like if you were going to work your dog in obedience and you wanted them to get titles (if thats what they are called) What would your very first one be and then the next step, and the next?

I am asking because 1) I really don't understand any of it and 2) because I was wanting to see if I can get my dog any of the "titles" but I don't want to jump in way over my head, I wanted to start on the easiest one and move up if she excels.

I am going to add that I am getting a trainer and they would be able to help but I can't stand not knowing any longer, that and I want to map out my goals for next year... (not that I think I will get any of them next year... I just want to work towards it.)

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Nevermind, I found a good site that explains it all.

http://www.vizsladogs.com/ARTICLES/obedtitl.htm

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Nevermind, I found a good site that explains it all.

http://www.vizsladogs.com/ARTICLES/obedtitl.htm
Thank you SO much, the site explained it well.
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I'd say the first one you should go for is the CGC - Canine Good Citizen. Many training centers offer this test once you've put your dog through a couple courses. Your dog does not have to be AKC registered to get it and it means that your dog knows it basic manners, like walking on a lease, greeting people and dogs, and basic commands.
here's a little info about it: AKC's Canine Good CitizenŽ (CGC) Program

The WAE is the Working Aptitude Evaluation which is like the CGC but breed specific. It tests to the breed tempermant standard. If you pass the test you earn the WAC (Working Aptitude Certificate...i think? LOL)
here's the score sheet for that: http://dpca.org/documents/wae-score-sheet.pdf

Here's something I just came across on the DPCA website with all the titles too: DPCA | The Doberman | Temperament | WAE | Titles

Hope that helps! I'm still learning too- it does get a little overwhelming.
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I think the logical progression would be.......

CGC
RALLY
OBEDIENCE
AGILITY
and somewhere in there the WAC or TT
The Rally needs some obedience ability but it is not as regimented at the Obedience. It was my experience that once we competed in Agility my dog made it pretty obvious that he preferred the Agility and didn't want to go back to Rally or Obedience.

Good luck with whatever venue you choose.
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VZ, Talking to the trainers at my local kennel club it seemed it was the other way around as far as Rally before Obedience? But I suppose I'm not a hundred percent sure. We're just getting into it now though, hopefully Sky will test into the CGC course monday



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I started my puppy with puppy classes.....the basic sit/down/come/walk on lead and from there we branched out into the rally. One thing about rally is that you can talk and encourage your dog the entire time. The heeling is pretty lax and you have the chance to redo any oopsies. There is no off leash work in rally novice unlike novice obedience which has some off leash and distance work. That's the reason I felt the progression would be easier for the team if rally was tried before the more regimented obedience. Especially if you have a young puppy who has a limited attention span.
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my club has a pre-requisite of basic obedience before you can attend rally.

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I think by the time a puppy graduates from puppy class they have the foundation to move up to a more structured performance class be it rally or beginners obedience. They should have become accustomed to other dogs, people, noises and smells and be able/willing to focus on their handler as much as their puppy brains can. Many of the exercises are similar in rally and obedience. They require heeling and the usual down, etc.. If my memory serves me correctly (big if) I believe there is no contact between the judge and the dog in rally and for a puppy or very young dog that helps with his performance. Just one less distraction (yahoo, a new friend). As far as having a basic obedience course under your belt before moving into another class, I completely agree. The dog needs that foundation before it can build on it for other venues.....including agility. I think a puppy class lays a foundation for the dog to learn about teamwork, self control and brings out some of that working spirit dobes have. It's a confidence builder.
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Thank you everyone for your help, my dog is a year old and out of control. (I have not had her long) I thought that maybe if we were working towards something whether it takes us forever to get it or not it would at least help us stay on track. Things are so much easier when you set goals.
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I think the logical progression would be.......

CGC
RALLY
OBEDIENCE
AGILITY
and somewhere in there the WAC or TT
The Rally needs some obedience ability but it is not as regimented at the Obedience. It was my experience that once we competed in Agility my dog made it pretty obvious that he preferred the Agility and didn't want to go back to Rally or Obedience.

Good luck with whatever venue you choose.
There is no progression. These areas are unrelated in terms of building one on the other.


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The point I was attempting to make was that in terms of difficulty for the young dog and/or new owner getting the puppy accustomed to strange surroundings and learning simple commands via a puppy class would be a logical first step. Then the new team could try the (in my opinion) easier of the performance venues which I felt was rally. Then after getting their feet wet in rally, try the obedience ring with its more regimented movements, off leash exercises, distance exercises and less leeway for errors. With each new venue worked the new team could gain confidence and hone its skills. I do hold the opinion that working and competing in one would help move the dog and owner into more difficult venues.

The CGC is an excellent way to introduce a young dog to being touched by strange people, meeting strange dogs and in one of the sub tests, being left by its owner.

Rally Novice takes it up a notch to the dog heeling with its owner around a ring and doing simple movements. Multiple voice and hand signals and verbal praise are encouraged. The judging is less strict than in obedience.

Novice Obedience takes it up another level. Some off leash work, no verbal praise during the exercise, some distance work and the dog is expected to be more controlled and the performance more "crisp". Also, no do overs. The judging is more critical.

It was my experience that what my puppy learned in puppy class enabled him to move to the CGC to rally then to obedience with growing confidence and improving performance. Learning one helps learn the other. JMO
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I would do a puppy class, followed by basic obedience. Then figure out what interests you and the dog.


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yep- what viv said.


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I would do a puppy class, followed by basic obedience. Then figure out what interests you and the dog.
I think you brought up a good point in this thread, Vivienne00. After trying different things find something that you and your partner can both enjoy doing. Your successes and the journey would be alot more enjoyable.
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