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Not fair! Cheater!



What will likely be my new pair, hognoses! The lighter one is a male, the other is a female.


My roommate is looking at this female for herself as well and has contacted the breeder. Since I freed up Q's tank she's been thinking about putting a snake of her own in there.

All 3 are from Richard Allen/Reptile Rapture, the same place my Quetzal was bought from. I was debating going to BHB but the combination of that pretty male and my previous good experience with his breeder won plus I have heard some things that I do not personally agree with and I like supporting small-time exotics breeders.


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Haha, don't tell that to one of my roommates because she's crazy about birds. I think if we lived in a bigger place she'd have a dedicated bird room.


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EEEEEEE HOGGIES!!11! they're adorable. loveloveLOVE hoggies.
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Eeeewwww! Snakes, where is my shovel when I need it.

Only kidding.

Personally the only good snake is one that is far, far away from me. Spain has to its notoriety 15 snake varieties of which 5 of them are deadly. They are not my most favoured thing to see, especially when I am working or simply just sitting in my living room on a hot summers night. The beggars come slithering in to see if they can catch something in the house,
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Sorry Jazi, you know I am terrified.

Your newest family members have different heads than any other snake I have seen.

I was very surprised when you mentioned in a previous post that snakes show affection.
I believe you mentioned giving them a bath too.
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We have those all over my property. They are really nice snakes. I love coming across them on my walks.
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Sorry Jazi, you know I am terrified.

Your newest family members have different heads than any other snake I have seen.

I was very surprised when you mentioned in a previous post that snakes show affection.
I believe you mentioned giving them a bath too.
snakes absolutely are affectionate IF you handle them frequently. and yes, snakes love baths.
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Yup, those two are mine. In the process of payment and figuring out shipping. I'm not sure how far my roommate is in the process of getting her corn. She will be putting her in Quetzal's old tank (after sanitizing of course), I will be putting my pair in tubs.

I've wanted a hoggie for a while but shied away from them due to their mild venom. While they are not considered true hots (venomous) and are rear-fanged, a punch of their venom would induce mild swelling and itching. You don't really have to worry about it except in case of a severe allergic reaction but with my luck I was too nervous to try.

TobysHuman I'm super jealous actually! We don't have many wild snakes entering houses this deep into the city and even then it's just the common garters and redbellies (even though redbellies are my favorite wild species). Shovel jokes make me a little sad because there are a lot of people who kill them with shovels but snakes can survive for a few hours to a few days after decapitation so it's a more cruel method of killing them than it seems.


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I was very surprised when you mentioned in a previous post that snakes show affection.
I believe you mentioned giving them a bath too.
They do have really different heads. Chubby cheeks from the sacs and an upturned nose that gives them their name, plus a fat neck because when startled they pretend to be cobras and flatten their necks/heads into a hood. I think it makes them so unique and very adorable

I don't think it's affection like what we get from our dogs but it's definitely trust and comfort based. If you handle a snake often and it begins to trust you, you'll notice that the snake begins to form a bond with you and will be more comfortable with you than with strangers. Q is much more shy around new people than he is with me or even my roommates.

And yes some snakes like getting a bath and some really hate it. Quetzal is a tropical snake so he likes baths a lot more than say a desert species. Hognoses like to be dry so they probably would not appreciate a bath.


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Yeah, hognoses! Those are some good looking snakes, and so is that corn. Our local reptile rescue has a hognose up for adoption, and I've been seriously tempted. He's a cute little guy.

My albino corn is affectionate. Not the same way a dog is, but he really enjoys being held and likes to lie across my shoulders for naps. He gets himself settled, completely relaxes, and just hangs out. I love his personality. He never makes a fuss over getting out of the cage, and he's really calm around people.

I'm debating a snake this summer. Had considered BHB because I like their snakes, but if you wouldn't mind Jazi... what bad things have you heard about them? Could you PM me if you don't want to post publicly.

I still have a feeling that my next snake will be one that sort of lands in my lap, but am interested in breeders too.
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I've sent in my payment, we will see if he saw my email quickly enough for him to have sent them to be overnighted so that I receive them tomorrow or if we'll have to wait for Wednesday.

I sent you that PM It's just a lot of little stuff that makes me worried is all. I prefer bred snakes to rescued but only because of the work that rescue herps are notorious for needing.


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Okay, well, I've never been that girl who is terrified of snakes, but I've never particularly though of them as...downright cute, either, but those two are.

Thank you for broadening my horizons

Shovel jokes make me sad, too, and I'm not even a snake person.

What I am is an environmental person, and one who tries to respect the place each of these creatures have, in the tapestry here on earth.

I have a neighbor who goes around all summer, shovel at the ready, killing any sighted snake, even if it's a tiny green garter snake.

Makes me realize even more what a dumb coward he really is (he's a dog abuser too, go figure).

But yeah, every hysterical person in the neighborhood calls him to dispatch even the most harmless reptiles. I'm esp. upset now that you say that it isn't even a quick humane death. Sigh.

I've killed exactly one snake in my life, and it was a Copperhead that bit my 15 week old puppy on the face--I thought I needed the snake for proper ID and anti-venin (wrong, but I didn't know), and even though I thought it was a Copperhead, it was near dark and it was in some leaves and quickly escaping, and I wasn't sure. I felt bad about it, but it did bite the wrong inquisitive puppy.

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They're gorgeous!

I'm a see and not touch person when it comes to snakes, but my so is big into turtles/tortoise and geckos and such. (including responsible breeding) so I've become a bit more accustomed to the "creepy crawlies" and see their "cute" side lol

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Okay, well, I've never been that girl who is terrified of snakes, but I've never particularly though of them as...downright cute, either, but those two are.

Thank you for broadening my horizons

Shovel jokes make me sad, too, and I'm not even a snake person.

What I am is an environmental person, and one who tries to respect the place each of these creatures have, in the tapestry here on earth.

I have a neighbor who goes around all summer, shovel at the ready, killing any sighted snake, even if it's a tiny green garter snake.

Makes me realize even more what a dumb coward he really is (he's a dog abuser too, go figure).

But yeah, every hysterical person in the neighborhood calls him to dispatch even the most harmless reptiles. I'm esp. upset now that you say that it isn't even a quick humane death. Sigh.

I've killed exactly one snake in my life, and it was a Copperhead that bit my 15 week old puppy on the face--I thought I needed the snake for proper ID and anti-venin (wrong, but I didn't know), and even though I thought it was a Copperhead, it was near dark and it was in some leaves and quickly escaping, and I wasn't sure. I felt bad about it, but it did bite the wrong inquisitive puppy.
I genuinely mean it when I say thank you It's not often that someone who is not necessarily a fan of snakes is also willing to see their place on the earth. Sadly no, death by decapitation is not considered humane for at least snakes, not sure on other reptiles as I have not taken the plunge into lizards just yet (that waits until I have a dedicated reptile room as do a few more sensitive species of snake). It's not too uncommon to have a "dead" rattler head move and still attempt to strike even hours after decapitation and yes it can still envenomate you in this state which means it's not just nerves twitching.

I believe the longest recorded time one has gone before giving up on reacting to movement (but still may have been alive) was 2 or 3 days though sadly that was an article published on my python forum years ago and I don't know if the forum purged it since. There's a fancy scientific explination for it, something about the difference between coldblooded and warmblooded with wounds, but I'm not a sciencey person. If you MUST kill by decapitation you're supposed to stake the head right at the brain immediately afterwards. Still not humane but at least it won't sit for days.

If I met that guy I would probably whack him with his own shovel a few times. Venomous snakes I can understand as sometimes you just have no choice (like your incident RFR) but harmless colubrids and endangered species (some rattlers ARE endangered!!) need to be given a free pass. I picked up a baby copperhead I found in my grandpa's garden once as a toddler and he cut its head off and tossed it in the creek which made me sad because I was too young to understand the danger- but he can't have venomous snakes where his grandkids can easily get so I can't hold it against him.


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They're gorgeous!

I'm a see and not touch person when it comes to snakes, but my so is big into turtles/tortoise and geckos and such. (including responsible breeding) so I've become a bit more accustomed to the "creepy crawlies" and see their "cute" side lol

You're breeders not far from me about 2 hours or so!
He operates a physical store if your SO ever wants to go in and see He breeds- and sells- more than just snakes. Sadly he never gets African Fattail geckos and most of his Tokays are wild caught so I will not be getting my geckos from him at least. He does get the monitor species that I like though. Lizards have to wait until I have a physical house with a dedicated room for reptiles due to their sensitivity, as do a few snake species that I drool over (Brazilian rainbow boas, emerald tree boas)


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Forgot to mention, hoggies are on their way. I will be naming the female Leviathan and the male Ouroboros to continue the snake god theme I had going with Jor. They should get here tomorrow morning, before the worst of that noreastern hits.


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I can only see the first picture, but he is BEAUTIFUL! I'm so jealous, hognoses are so special. They're uncommon (but not unheard of) in my area, but it's pretty much my dream to come across one in the wild.

I can't wait for updates when they arrive
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He operates a physical store if your SO ever wants to go in and see He breeds- and sells- more than just snakes. Sadly he never gets African Fattail geckos and most of his Tokays are wild caught so I will not be getting my geckos from him at least. He does get the monitor species that I like though. Lizards have to wait until I have a physical house with a dedicated room for reptiles due to their sensitivity, as do a few snake species that I drool over (Brazilian rainbow boas, emerald tree boas)


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Forgot to mention, hoggies are on their way. I will be naming the female Leviathan and the male Ouroboros to continue the snake god theme I had going with Jor. They should get here tomorrow morning, before the worst of that noreastern hits.
I asked him and he surprisingly said he didn't know him...but the answer may change tomorrow lol, he can be awful with names sometimes

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I am bummed that Hilary seems them often and people know about them where you live, Abby. My pair are western hognoses but eastern hognoses are native to this side of the states and practically no one has heard of them let alone seen one. I sometimes catch the sight of a garter or redbelly or black rat darting away but that's really it. Out in the more country part of PA you'll see the rattlers and copperheads but the cities are very sparse when it comes to herps. Not sure why you can only see the first picture but there will be plenty more when they arrive

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Lol well when I say "not unheard of," I should say, my friend who knows this is a big Herp guy in the MN DNR, so he may very well be the only one in the state who WOULD know! As he's the one who organizes the Herp surveys to record reptile populations it will be difficult, but it's still a dream of mine to find one!

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I am bummed that Hilary seems them often and people know about them where you live, Abby. My pair are western hognoses but eastern hognoses are native to this side of the states and practically no one has heard of them let alone seen one. I sometimes catch the sight of a garter or redbelly or black rat darting away but that's really it. Out in the more country part of PA you'll see the rattlers and copperheads but the cities are very sparse when it comes to herps. Not sure why you can only see the first picture but there will be plenty more when they arrive

I've gotten a couple requests to record their unboxing so you will see me completely giddy when they arrive as well.
Okay, so, off topic to your new slithery bundles o' joy, but since it was brought up--I'm wondering if you would know if what I *think* I've seen on my hikes and around the barns seems accurate or not.


(Do snake folks have a "life list" like birdwatcher people do?)

Anywhoo, I know I've seen a ton o' Copperheads (and yes that is what bit Ez, and he was treated with steroids and abs and fluids, not anti-venin), both adults and babies.

They are sooo muscular! Hard to mistake, once you've seen *and smelled* one. Cucumbers, anyone?

No idea if these terms are accurate or not, but Black King Snake. Rat Snake.

Garter Snakes, of course. Ringneck Snake (was bitten by that lil guy, but called a herp dude who I used to work with and he assured me snakeypoo was more hurt than my toes, and so I let the confused critter go again.) He was pretty, bright colors, which is what worried me a bit, at first, 'til I found out he was packin' no poison.

Water Moccasin. I know that one for (pretty) sure--he was swimmin' in the same water hole as some of us, at the time.

What was either a very well-fed and atypical-looking Copperhead, or maybe a Hognose, once, he/she was very dusty/dirty, probably getting ready for new duds even, and his head was sort of buried in the grass (I was mowing), so I couldn't check his eyes, but his head was definitely different than your run-of-the-mill snake.

I think that's about it, and considering how outdoorsy I live, I'm assuming many snakes are just very good at hiding/getting away, or I'd have seen more.

Does that sound like good guesses on what we have around here? I'm one state over from you, in WV.

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