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Old 01-16-2013, 08:23 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Who the heck still uses Ketamine? That is a deal breaker for me.
My vet uses propofol and isoflor for surgeries. The dogs come up in minutes.
The last dog a vet used Ketamine on was my Mercury. I brought him home unconscious and it took about an hour of jerking, growling, and releasing his bladder before he was awake.
With so many safe new drugs I don't understand why they would use Ketamine. Just my 1.5 cents.
From what I undersand, Ketamine is still the drug of choice for cats. Every cat I've had done, except for Connor, has had Ketamine (or at least something that makes them look like they've had Ketamine).
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:05 AM   #27 (permalink)
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From what I undersand, Ketamine is still the drug of choice for cats. Every cat I've had done, except for Connor, has had Ketamine (or at least something that makes them look like they've had Ketamine).
Not in our practice, which is feline-only. We tank down and maintain on isoflurane for all surgeries except declaws, where they receive an injectable cocktail of dexdomitor/torbugesic and are reversed w/ antisedan.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:17 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Maybe you could talk to my vets, then, because cats have sure come home looking like they've had Ketamine.
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My sincere sympathies to your friend.

I can only imagine the shock.

That said, I too wondered if pre-op bloodwork and an echo or ECG was done.

Are they going to do a necropsy?

And, out of curiosity, what color was this Rattie?
I don't know all the details, they are still quite in shock. When I go to the vet to put dogs under for x-rays, the vet uses Isoflurane. I don't think he's used anything else.

The dog was a regular white/black tri colored fella. He's from a breeder nearby, not too closely related to any of mine. Maybe way back. I haven't heard any other details or what they plan to do.

Now that it's had time to sink in, I realize how silly I may have sounded initially. Our dogs will encounter risks in anything we do with them, and they can't live in a bubble. They will be just as well to be speutered than to not, as long as the vet checks everything well beforehand.
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Who the heck still uses Ketamine? That is a deal breaker for me.
My vet uses propofol and isoflor for surgeries. The dogs come up in minutes.
The last dog a vet used Ketamine on was my Mercury. I brought him home unconscious and it took about an hour of jerking, growling, and releasing his bladder before he was awake.
With so many safe new drugs I don't understand why they would use Ketamine. Just my 1.5 cents.
Ketamine is a total dealbreaker for me, as well.

My vet does not use it, and has never, since coming to this state. Many vets here, esp. the low cost clinics, do still use it, though.

Scary.

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From what I undersand, Ketamine is still the drug of choice for cats. Every cat I've had done, except for Connor, has had Ketamine (or at least something that makes them look like they've had Ketamine).
Nope, even in this economically depressed area, only the worst clinic uses vitamin K for kitties.

They do still use it for dogs, sadly, but the anesthesia recovery for cats given ketamine is not pretty to watch, and the complications much higher.

What Burns said, that's what all the decent clinics use.

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I don't know all the details, they are still quite in shock. When I go to the vet to put dogs under for x-rays, the vet uses Isoflurane. I don't think he's used anything else.

The dog was a regular white/black tri colored fella. He's from a breeder nearby, not too closely related to any of mine. Maybe way back. I haven't heard any other details or what they plan to do.

Now that it's had time to sink in, I realize how silly I may have sounded initially. Our dogs will encounter risks in anything we do with them, and they can't live in a bubble. They will be just as well to be speutered than to not, as long as the vet checks everything well beforehand.
I'd have the anesthesia discussion with your vet anyway, just to be safe. I once found out that, even though I'd asked, ketamine was still used on one of my bunnies (different clinic, years ago, but expressly against my wishes).

I have this non-scientific working theory about blue animals and medication reactions...so I was just curious as to the color of this dog, but he was just black tri, hmmm.

I feel so bad for them, losing their dog.
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It was a huge relief whn I got the call to pick him up...but then to get there and have them tell me that they needed to put him under again and go back in to stitch him up tighter (he was leaking subcutaneous fat)(which has been labled as a "bleeding disorder" on his patient records). The waiting on that second surgery in one day was interminably long and just about did my nerves in. Sometimes weird things crop up with individuals that no-one would suspect prior. Had it been a dobe...the bleeding wouldn't have surprised anyone...being a mutt terrier, everyone was caught by surprise. (until the vet nurses checked who's dog it was and declared it classic irony that the dobe lady's surprise mutt would be the one to come up with a disorder like that.)
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As was stated thus far, there are always risks with anesthesia and surgery for people or our beloved furry family members.

Prior to myself becoming chronicaly ill after a badly botched bowel surgery (which required 20 more surgeries and close to 2 years of hospitalizations over the following 3 years just to keep me alive) I too would have opted out of the pre-op testing on a young, healthy animal. I have come out of several surgeries needing to be in the ICU on a venthilator because I was too weak to breathe on my own. It's a big deal.

Since my personal experiences and losing my sister-in-law to what amounted to sudden cardio in 2010 after a very routine D&C. I test my furry ones for everything knowing that even then there is no guarantee.

Every time one of them has to go under I fret until I get the "A-OK" call from the vet's office.

I am very sorry for your friend's loss. There was likely nothing that could have been done. I hope they can take some measure of peace from that. There is always a risk, incuding death. Sadly, your friend's dog was one of the statistics this time.

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