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Old 12-18-2012, 01:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Guess who is going to a Korean Kennel Club Dog show?

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So, I've managed to make some great contacts with learning about Jindo.

I'm meeting with a show breeder this Friday so I can meet her dogs and her two current Hwangu (red) pups. She and my "pet shop lady" (Eun Hee, the awesome woman who special orders my cat's food, finds products I need, ect. She also does local rescue.) are going to show me examples of pedigrees and registration papers and discuss the ins and outs of Korean Dog shows with us. This breeder is a good friend of Eun Hee and actually specializes in Jack Russels, but has a Jindo she shows as well apparently and agreed to help us learn.

And then on the 30th, I'm going to a dog show! And Eun Hee is keeping an eye out for the schedules for the KKF, NJDA and other Jindo specific shows. And sometime in January or February we're going to try and visit the Government Research Facility on Jindo island (and hopefully visit some Jindo Island shows if any are scheduled.)

So far, I've really been enjoying learning about this breed. They're pretty cool and not what I was expecting. I was expecting a personality more similar to other Spitz breeds like Shiba... But personality wise they seem more like a Samoyed, Pit Bull and hound all rolled into one.

I'll be sure to share photos from the show and the breeder. Its funny, I only know a handful of words and phrases in Korean, Eun Hee speaks NO English, but I think she is seriously my best friend here in Korea. XD
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@VZ-Doberman, I will definitely take lots of photos!

For those unfamiliar with the breed, the Jindo is a native breed of Korea that is used primarily for guarding & hunting and is actually registered as a Korean National Treasure. The Korean Government actually has a Research Facility on Jindo Island, where the breed originated, that is dedicated to researching & preserving the breed. The dogs in the program are considered the purest dogs in Korea and any dog microchipped with a Government chip (because not all of the government dogs are in government possession) can not leave the island, or the country.
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Good to hear that there are places where people treat dogs as companions! I'm from South Korea and big dogs aren't common there. You typically see poodles, pomeranians, and malteses... If you have a labrador, they think it's the biggest dog they've ever since which I find sad. xD I'm glad there are animal lovers in Korea. I haven't met one yet and I go there every year...

My family from both sides had jindos and akitas. However, I've realized there are so many "mutt-jindos" that everyone think it's a jindo just because it looks like one (When really, it's a mutt). I particularly love Baekgu (White Jindo).

I've seen some dog agility training going faaar out in the country side. Are you perhaps in the country?
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Good to hear that there are places where people treat dogs as companions! I'm from South Korea and big dogs aren't common there. You typically see poodles, pomeranians, and malteses... If you have a labrador, they think it's the biggest dog they've ever since which I find sad. xD I'm glad there are animal lovers in Korea. I haven't met one yet and I go there every year...

My family from both sides had jindos and akitas. However, I've realized there are so many "mutt-jindos" that everyone think it's a jindo just because it looks like one (When really, it's a mutt). I particularly love Baekgu (White Jindo).

I've seen some dog agility training going faaar out in the country side. Are you perhaps in the country?
I am a little ways into the country, about an hour and a half from Seoul, in Songtan. I like Baekgu too, but I admit as a foreigner I'm falling in love with the less popular Hogu (brindles), though I rarely see them.

Unfortunately, I quickly learned that Eun Hee and her friends are not the norm for Korean pet owners, show owners & show breeders. Dogs are still very much pests / accessories / cash crops in Korea. Even a lot of the pet shops out here, the owners seem to REALLY dislike the animals. And most of them are full of accessories like pet clothing, while only offering one or two options for food and very few options for products to actually care for the animal, like grooming tools and training aids. But there are also some who really do. I went to 10 different pet shops looking for a supplier / contact I liked before finding Eun Hee's tiny grooming shop.

But many of the really competitive dog breeders here have FARMS. I mean like 100+ dogs in kennels. So puppy mills are really common and largely accepted. Since they're considered livestock, they're generally raised and handled like livestock (and are still sold as meat. An acquaintance that does rescue here in Korea recently went to a meet market looking for a lost dog and even saw labs and expensive imported breeds there). That much hasn't changed yet. And health testing is still extremely, extremely rare and even then its generally seen more among imported dogs.

And a lot of people here really dislike cats still, though with the current cat cafe trend and the popularity of imported breeds like Scottish Folds, they're becoming trendy pets... :/ My land-lady nearly had a heart attack when she realized we had a cat, after saying pets ok, until we informed her we brought her with us from the USA. Being an import gave her a little bit of status, and so our landlady likes her now and talks / asks about her a lot...

And I've seen lots and lots of mixed-breed Jindo all over the place. One of the Korean families in my neighborhood here, who has a Golden Retriever, intentionally bred her to a local male Jindo. And there are five smaller Jindo mixes that roam around the neighborhood that belong to local shop owners. And, of course, the Korean shelters are full of them. I've also noticed there are a lot of people in the USA now mixing Jindos and Akitas and Shibas and selling them as purebred to try and edge in on the rare breed market. -.-

Hey, next time you're in Korea send me a message and we can grab a coffee or something. I'll be living here for at least another year, possibly longer.
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I am a little ways into the country, about an hour and a half from Seoul, in Songtan. I like Baekgu too, but I admit as a foreigner I'm falling in love with the less popular Hogu (brindles), though I rarely see them.

Unfortunately, I quickly learned that Eun Hee and her friends are not the norm for Korean pet owners, show owners & show breeders. Dogs are still very much pests / accessories / cash crops in Korea. Even a lot of the pet shops out here, the owners seem to REALLY dislike the animals. And most of them are full of accessories like pet clothing, while only offering one or two options for food and very few options for products to actually care for the animal, like grooming tools and training aids. But there are also some who really do. I went to 10 different pet shops looking for a supplier / contact I liked before finding Eun Hee's tiny grooming shop.

But many of the really competitive dog breeders here have FARMS. I mean like 100+ dogs in kennels. So puppy mills are really common and largely accepted. Since they're considered livestock, they're generally raised and handled like livestock (and are still sold as meat. An acquaintance that does rescue here in Korea recently went to a meet market looking for a lost dog and even saw labs and expensive imported breeds there). That much hasn't changed yet. And health testing is still extremely, extremely rare and even then its generally seen more among imported dogs.

And a lot of people here really dislike cats still, though with the current cat cafe trend and the popularity of imported breeds like Scottish Folds, they're becoming trendy pets... :/ My land-lady nearly had a heart attack when she realized we had a cat, after saying pets ok, until we informed her we brought her with us from the USA. Being an import gave her a little bit of status, and so our landlady likes her now and talks / asks about her a lot...

And I've seen lots and lots of mixed-breed Jindo all over the place. One of the Korean families in my neighborhood here, who has a Golden Retriever, intentionally bred her to a local male Jindo. And there are five smaller Jindo mixes that roam around the neighborhood that belong to local shop owners. And, of course, the Korean shelters are full of them. I've also noticed there are a lot of people in the USA now mixing Jindos and Akitas and Shibas and selling them as purebred to try and edge in on the rare breed market. -.-

Hey, next time you're in Korea send me a message and we can grab a coffee or something. I'll be living here for at least another year, possibly longer.
Yeah, I'm not surprised by what you're saying. To be honest, I expected that. I'm sure there are many animal lovers out there (Like I am) but many don't see dogs as really... "Family." They're more like, like you said, accessories. I find it disgusting with Koreans complain and make comments "All big dogs should be kept outside, hands down." I received so much crap when I had to babysit a friend's Great Dane in Korea (He was studying there for 3 years to learn Korean).

Koreans are typical people who only purchase animals because they're cute. Once the puppy grows up to become, in their eyes, a massive dog, they give it away not caring what happens to it at all. Many people think having health tests, competitions, etc. is stupid because dogs are just "dogs." It's disgusting when I hear that... I remember this one lady clearly didn't know how to train her labrador so she ended up kicking it and whipping it's face with its leash. I was horrified! I actually went over there and said, "If you're not going to train your dog properly, don't punish him except yourself. If you'd like, I will gladly take your dog under my care to receive proper training and love." She gave me this death glare saying I didn't know what I was doing. Not knowing what I was doing? Please, she was the one who didn't know what she was doing! Ugh. I've once had to rescue a dog way out in HoDong because his owner shot him in the eye three times and just left the dog there in pain. Worst part? There was no law about animal cruelty so there was no way anyone could sue that maniac.

I know dog meat is still being produced there, but it's mostly from dogs that are sick and won't survive anyways... Which is unhealthy too because it's very low-quality risky meat. People outside of Korea thinks it's a form of abuse; truth is, Koreans just don't see animals as family. That's the only difference. We, including myself, see our pets as a family. They don't. Which is why they don't really care what happens to them.

Me personally, I don't like cats but I wouldn't be a typical Korean and say to kill it and torture it. An animal is an animal with feelings, emotion, and has a soul. There are tons of stray cats where I used to live, actually.

One of my biggest pet peeves are Koreans thinking a dog bigger than a toy poodle is a massive dog. I just find that stupid. If I brought a doberman over there, they'd want me to put him down because he looked dangerous. People don't know how to train animals, and they blame the animal and put them down for unnecessary reasons. It makes me sick.

I live in GangNam, Seoul. I'll probably arrive there in July or August, not too sure. It'd be awesome if you could show me some, for once, purebred jindos. I've only seen one, haha.
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Yeah, its been a learning experience for me. Some of it I'm not too surprised or unfamiliar with, being from the South in the USA. Dogs in the rural south are loved, but the "norm" of how to love them and the standards of care are often really low or very simplistic (if not outright ignorant)...

And the meat markets are buying pets and stuff now too and picking up strays... Owners that don't want to bother with shelters or or just don't want them or that get too big, sell them to the meat markets now. When the woman lost her dog, she went around EVERYWHERE with photos and flyers. The shops refused to let her post flyers and lots of people went around and tore them down (and left all the food flyers, sale ads and event ads up).When she and other people would show the picture of her dog, many people apparently reprimanded her and them for bothering to look for him since he was a mutt that was only good for meat and many directed her to the meat market. The meat sellers confirmed that they get dogs like him all the time and he was the kind they of dog they liked to buy. Fortunately, a kind security guard noticed him and kept him fed and someone who'd heard about her search noticed him and contacted the people helping her search and she managed to get him back safely. But he was missing for about 2 weeks and people were very cruel to her while she was looking and the authorities actually found it all to be funny. SBS actually wanted to do a segment about her and her search for her dog. I wish they agreed to do the segment, if only to show an example of her dedication to her dog and the cruelty she was exposed to because of her loyalty.

I was really surprised to learn that Koreans considered Jindo "big" dogs, since they're mostly under 50 pounds. And the mixes are generally even smaller than that. But then I realized that, traditionally, they were one of the largest breeds native to Korea... Though I am seeing larger dogs show up in dramas and music videos more frequently now, particularly Great Pyrenees which I found really surprising given that that actually IS a large breed. Its also a bit alarming as the breed is easily obtainable here, I'm guessing due to trends and being seen in dramas, and like you said... Dogs are given up or put down here for the simplest things and size is a very common reason.

Realistically, I don't consider eating dog meat abusive, even though its something I could not bring myself to do, because I understand that culturally it has been a meat source (similar to how horse is eaten in parts of Europe and mexico... Which I also could not bring myself to eat) and how frog, alligator, raccoon and other animals that are commonly eaten where I'm from aren't eaten elsewhere. And not everyone that eats dog meat dislikes them... My Husband's grandmother does, but she loves animals and sees them as pets... But she seems to see meat dogs and pet dogs as being two separate things. Just like my landlady sees Korean cats & imported cats as being different. I do consider the popular method of slaughter to be abusive and inhumane though ( I had been told beating was outlawed, but it seems its still commonly practiced.) Its also interesting how dog meat is regarded though. I've met some young Koreans that get VERY defensive if its mentioned and deny it happens at all. I've met some that get upset about it and feel its outdated and embarrassing. And others that see it as a simple part of Korean life and culture with varying opinions on how it should be regulated. So as common as it is, it seems to be a somewhat controversial issue, especially with the younger generations. So over the next few decades I think there will probably be a lot of change regarding the dog meat market, at the very least regarding regulations.

Honestly, I'm not fond of cats either as a personal pet. Freya is more an exception to the rule. I've had her since she was two weeks old and she is more like a dog (a mean, bi-polar ankle biting dog, unfortunately) than a cat. XD I'm much more of a dog person.

I try to take everything in stride here and keep it as a learning experience on both ends and remember that there is an entirely different culture and history that has influenced how things are, and that my own culture is still developing in its treatment and regard for animals. And from what I've been told, what I'm seeing now are actually big steps in Korea's regard toward pets and animal welfare. There are rescue groups and welfare groups in Korea now and shelters that are trying to help with education. Some of the new trends help with educaton too, not always the most ideal delivery but its helping. And there are Korean celebrities advocating animal welfare too. Lee Hyori even does a lot of animal and social charity and advocacy from what I've read and heard. And this past year the Korean Animal Welfare Association has been airing a very forward ad about abandoning pets being like abandoning family/children, you can view it here.

Maybe there will be some Jindo shows while you're here. I plan to attend as many as possible from here on out, not just to see Jindo but to learn more about the Korean show circuit in general.

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