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Old 12-07-2012, 06:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bull Terriers?

Anybody know about Bull Terriers? Such as training, typical personalities, requirements for housing, how they are with other animals, anything about them really. A friend of mine and her family are planning on adopting a second dog. They already have a male pomeranian.
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Always been fond. I'd link to my favorite sites but I'm on my phone.

I've seen same sex aggression though its not as common as dobes so I'd recommend a girl for them just to be safe(er).
They can be prone to ocd habits and allergies and can be quite stubborn but if trained properly its rarely a problem. Overall I really like them though. They're a fun big dog in a little package lol.

Are they thinking standard or mini? My dream is a standard fawn brindle though color is really not that important.
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Bull Terriers are awesome...

I've never owned one personally. But a friend of mine had one long ago (back when I was in Utah)... He was a very smart dog, but stubborn. He was also a total clown. If I remember correctly he was a lot of energy... I mean A LOT! If left ignored and left to their own mischievous ways they tend to destroy things...

I found this while reading: Animal aggression. Many Bull Terriers will not tolerate another dog of the same sex. Some won't tolerate the opposite sex, either. Many Bull Terriers, both Standard and Miniature, have strong instincts to chase and seize cats and other fleeing creatures. If anything goes wrong in the breeding, socializing, training, handling, or management of these breeds, they are capable of seriously injuring or killing other animals.

I suggest against getting the same sex. I would recommend a female also...

I'd take a look at the parent club website
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EBTs are a breed that I really like the look of and know absolutely nothing about, so they're an "ooh and ahh and squee over every dog I see" breed for me I'm not a fan of most bullies based on what I know about their breeds so I wouldn't be surprised if EBTs didn't fit my lifestyle either. The few I've met, sadly, had some fairly irresponsible owners and I only met them because I was keeping them from being run over while running loose in the city (which is illegal here). Didn't seem to mind the collar grab and yank out of the street so a truck didn't mow them down
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You should suggest they first get and read Jane Killion's book, When Pigs Fly.

She has had much success in training and competing with Bull Terriers, but she also clearly lays out their typical traits and issues, in that book.
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my mate has 2 and about 6 of my mates have staffys!

They are pretty stubborn and none of them are particularly clever....

over here in the UK there is far too many staffy crosses, you dont really see papered staffs as much anymore, they have become the standard dog for loads of people, particularly young people.

2 mates have English bulls, they are good dogs but both can be very ignorant and have a couple of irritating habits like suckling and chewing their feet!

Dont really know a great deal about bull terriers it just isnt my kind of dog
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Bull Terriers are awesome...

I've never owned one personally. But a friend of mine had one long ago (back when I was in Utah)... He was a very smart dog, but stubborn. He was also a total clown. If I remember correctly he was a lot of energy... I mean A LOT! If left ignored and left to their own mischievous ways they tend to destroy things...

I found this while reading: Animal aggression. Many Bull Terriers will not tolerate another dog of the same sex. Some won't tolerate the opposite sex, either. Many Bull Terriers, both Standard and Miniature, have strong instincts to chase and seize cats and other fleeing creatures. If anything goes wrong in the breeding, socializing, training, handling, or management of these breeds, they are capable of seriously injuring or killing other animals.

I suggest against getting the same sex. I would recommend a female also...

I'd take a look at the parent club website
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... 2 of my mates have EBT's both pedigree. last thing i have ever seen from a EBT is aggression towards another dog! both the ones i know are very tolerant (ones a bitch ,one dog) ive never even seen either of them bare teeth. certainly not chase after or become aggressive at the sight of another dog regardless of size or sex..

Dont know about a lot of energy in EBTs either, i think they are well lazy, sometimes saff (my mates bitch) wont even come out when there is 5 dogs all waiting to get out to the park, she just sits there like no thanks!

Chopper my other mates male barely even runs...

a staff on the other hand is quite energetic, still nothing on Caes at 5 months though. id call it more "erratic" that energetic..
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Very possible,

I know 5 Doberman males in my area that have no issue with other males. Does that mean that all Doberman males are good with other males not at all.

This comes straight from the parent club website: Which is good enough for me to recommend against getting a male if she already has a male in the home.

"Male Bull Terriers who have not been altered do not, as a rule, get along with other male dogs. There comes a time when one of the males must dominate, and there is inevitably an unpleasant fight after which the two must live entirely separately for life. A male and female Bull Terrier can live together quite happily, and two females can sometimes share the same home" (my personal add I don't altering makes a difference)

The Bullies I've known have lots of energy, your buddies bullies sound like the atypical dogs, I'd hate to steer OP's friend in thinking that they are going to be couch potatoes...
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im not trying to steer anything, i just know 2 EBTs both pedigree and both are the slowest and laziest of the dogs i know.

i cant vouch for all at all, im going from personal experience, Saff comes out on 3-4 hour walks but not as often as the other dogs, including a mastiff/rottie.

Chopper simply would not keep up and he isnt overweight

they are great dogs, very friendly and very tolerant, i will add if you push Saff (ie puppies diving all over her) she will eventually give a warning but she is more tolerant than the bulldog x staff my mate has.

I suppose much of this comes down to the dogs upbringing and if its going to be an adoption no one can really say how the dog is going to be with others. but i would bring both the EBTs i know into any park or house with another dog without any worries

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And repeat what has already been said. Very stubborn dogs. Dog aggression is very common. Would not suggest for a home that already has another dog unless they have lots of dog experience. Esp experience with bully breeds.
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im not trying to steer anything, i just know 2 EBTs both pedigree and both are the slowest and laziest of the dogs i know.

i cant vouch for all at all, im going from personal experience, Saff comes out on 3-4 hour walks but not as often as the other dogs, including a mastiff/rottie.

Chopper simply would not keep up and he isnt overweight

they are great dogs, very friendly and very tolerant, i will add if you push Saff (ie puppies diving all over her) she will eventually give a warning but she is more tolerant than the bulldog x staff my mate has.

I suppose much of this comes down to the dogs upbringing and if its going to be an adoption no one can really say how the dog is going to be with others. but i would bring both the EBTs i know into any park or house with another dog without any worries
Dog aggression is very common in bully breeds and terriers. Has nothing to do with upbringing. It's in the dogs nature. If those dogs are good with other dogs, that is considered rare and lucky. Not common for the breed overall.
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A good tip for breeds known to be dog aggressive is to rescue an adult dog that's proven to work in a multi-dog household. At least then you have less of a chance of being forced to crate and rotate due to spats.

The couple I've met were hyper and wanted to gogogo, but again I don't know if that's a management problem or a breed trait since their owners were idiots. Like I said they seemed like really cool dogs, I just don't know anything about them and have never felt an attraction to bullies cause I like tight-lipped german dogs instead

Knowing a couple dogs that don't "fit" the breed description, even when gotten from a good breeder, doesn't invalidate the description. I've known GSDs that were terrified of everything, goldens that were reactive to humans, labs that were intolerant of other dogs, and spaniels that seemed to "just snap" (the last one is thought to have been caused by spaniel rage). You'll always have an "off" dog that doesn't fit the majority.
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My clinic had a very good client with a Bull Terrier (spayed female), she shared her house with 3 other dogs (2 Danes, and an Irish Wolfhound, all neutered males), and a couple cats. She was fine with the males she lived with, but had to come in the back door at our clinic as she was female dog aggressive. She had been trained not to bother the cats in their house, but was also aggressive to cats that weren't hers, and other small animals.

With people she was sweet, goofy, and insanely energetic. She had a very annoying habit though of not breathing and turning blue when very stressed (ie when we trimmed her nails etc).

Anyway, that is the extent of my knowledge of the breed, but her owner had owned and worked numerous ones before this one, and said she was pretty "typical" for the breed. I always did like Poppy, she was a fun dog, but a bit of a handful at times.
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well i know 2 rare, lucky dogs + the other 3 we regularly see up the woods..

dont know what they are doing over the pond but the ones i have met are brilliant well tempered dogs and am yet to meet an aggressive one in my lifetime.
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I lived with two - mother and son. Owners had to keep separate areas for each of the dogs because of aggression from the mother toward the son. Owners took care of their vet and their breeder's BTs when either person was out of town - they had dogs of both genders living together, but not without management.

I was told they are often described as 4 year olds in a dog suit. Applies, from my experience with the dogs in the house and those who boarded. Clever and mischievous with dashes of neurosis in between. (Not the first I've heard of them holding their breath^^, had a few who couldn't walk on shiny floors, weird stuff.)

Personally, I can't picture a BT living with a Pom. They play MUUUUCH too roughly and I'd see the pom getting hurt - if not seriously injured if the BT saw it as cat-like. BTs are really physical and I have yet to meet one who wasn't a barker!! The naughtier boarding ones had a habit of jumping up and nipping at you, putting holes in your clothing or bruises on your skin.

But it's not all bad. Talk about a boisterous amount of love and affection in a tough little package. Funny and silly - I would tell people "You know those little boys who wear Husky-sized pants, who can't sit still, whom you hear their mothers constantly telling them to get off/out of something or be careful, or stop doing that? But when they're sleeping like angels or bring you some sweet hand made card that makes your heart melt? Yeah, Bull Terriers are like that."

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Old 12-11-2012, 11:17 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Spoke to my mate, he said which i believe to be right that most of the EBTs in the US are white or mostly white? and still show traits from the Hinks

Whereas over here they were crossed to get the brindles and other colours and they are more similar natured to a staff than an american bred EBT
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White and Colored Bull Terriers are the same breed, just two different varieties. I can't say that one is more common than the othe, but thanks to Spuds McKenzie, most (non-dog) people probably think they only come in white. Kinda like all Collies are Rough Sables (thank you, Lassie).
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What i mean is that the all white ones must be able to be traced back to the hinks bloodlines (he bred them to be white) wheres ones with colour came from a breeder crossing Staf into them because of the health problems of the all white dogs.

So surely predominantly white dogs will carry more of the original blood from when the dogs were all all white before the staf was introduced for colour?

Plus AKC recognised coloured ones as a separate variety
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What i mean is that the all white ones must be able to be traced back to the hinks bloodlines (he bred them to be white) wheres ones with colour came from a breeder crossing Staf into them because of the health problems of the all white dogs.

So surely predominantly white dogs will carry more of the original blood from when the dogs were all all white before the staf was introduced for colour?

Plus AKC recognised coloured ones as a separate variety
They are seperate varieties, yes. Seperate breeds, no. Kind of like Cocker Spaniels (American Cockers) are divided by color (Black, ASCOB and Parti-color).

Here is a brief history of the breed, per the AKC website.

"Bull Terrier - HISTORY

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Bull-and-Terriers - crosses between Bulldogs and various terriers - gained popularity among the sporting fraternity during the early 1800s. These crosses combined the determination and courage of the Bulldog with the natural agility and intensity of the terrier. They ranged in size and color, some showing more Bulldog heritage, while others were more terrier-like.

During the early 1860s, James Hinks of Birmingham, England responded to the introduction of formal dog shows and the burgeoning demand for pet and prize dogs by developing the breed we know today as the Bull Terrier. Hinks' dogs were more refined and consistent in type than previous Bull-and-Terriers. They were characterized by their hallmark pure white coats, often being referred to as White Cavaliers. As the rhyme goes Hinks "Found a Bull Terrier a tattered old bum" and "Made him a dog for a gentleman's chum".

These White Cavaliers gained a strong foothold among discerning owners as both show dogs and exceptional pets and companions. Soon their popularity spread across the Atlantic, with the Bull Terrier Club of America being established in 1897.

Records indicate that Hinks' breeding program employed existing Bull-and-Terriers, his own white Bulldog Madman and the now extinct White English Terriers. These early dogs were all white, with no colored markings permitted, but over time patches of color on the head became acceptable. In the early 1900s a few breeders crossed their White Cavaliers with colored Staffordshire Bull Terriers and established the colored coat. The "Colored" was recognized as a separate variety of Bull Terrier in 1936. The standard for the Colored variety is the same as for the White except for coat color, which must be any color other than white, or any color with white just so long as the white does not predominate.

Given his muscular build and oft-times diabolical expression the Bull Terrier can appear quite unapproachable. To the contrary he is an exceedingly friendly dog, thriving on affection and always ready for a frolic. The Bull Terrier is the cavalier and clown of the canine race, robust and spirited, yet of a sweet and fun-loving disposition"
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Okay now I have really started looking at original photos of Bullies or "Bull and Terriers" and Timber sooo looks like one of them... (Not saying he is, but that is crazy) Implement of the Borzoi and Collie to removed the stop on the dogs face to create that egg shape.

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I'm just a bit worried because they are planning to adopt a bullie, not receive one from a breeder. I personally think all dogs can be wonderful pets in any kind of home unless they have been trained and raised properly from young. I'm not saying this is the only option to have a wonderful pet, but I just think it would be a lot easier than trying bringing home a dog that already does not like being around other dogs, small animals, etc. After all... That pomeranian is quite a small, fiesty little guy... I remember he tried to pick a fight with a doberman that I worked with before I moved.

As for now, their only options open for adopting a bull terrier are males...
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looking at a breed rescue will more than likely be a much better idea for the best placement too...
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