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Old 11-15-2012, 07:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Chicago woman killed by Mastiff

Firefighter killed by dog after one week in her home - chicagotribune.com
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Horrible. I wonder why they took the dog into their home in the first place. What were the circumstances? Anyhow, very tragic.
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Tragic and a horrible way to die....


I am glad that this was stated in the article:

And aggression can span all breeds, he said. "It's really more of an issue of the individual animal."
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I heard about this last night too. Very sad story.

I was also wondering about why they took the dog in. One of the articles I read stated the dog had never shown any aggression previously, but I thought it said something about this couple taking him in from a family member so it wouldn't have be put down. Not sure what the circumstances were.


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And aggression can span all breeds, he said. "It's really more of an issue of the individual animal."
I agree with this. ^^

This was the first article I read with that added, a few of the other ones sort of focused on how big and strong the dog was.

When I saw a comment posted on fb I googled to find the story. I was surprised how many stories popped up that were current for dog maulings, yet of course we most often hear about the ones by "vicious" breeds.
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How awful

This article should be read by everyone who has considered rehoming a human aggressive dog. The family who allowed this mastiff into the woman's home will have to live with the guilt of allowing such a tragedy to happen.
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This article should be read by everyone who has considered rehoming a human aggressive dog. The family who allowed this mastiff into the woman's home will have to live with the guilt of allowing such a tragedy to happen.
Exactly. Not every dog can or should be saved. I've euthanized one dog in 6 years of rescue for human aggression, funny how the couple of rescuers in my community who turned on me over that dog and called me all the names in the book for euthing didn't offer once to take in the dog themselves. I even got bullied by the vet the first time I went to the clinic to have it done. I knew in my gut that it is what needed to be done. They can hate all they want but I sleep better at night knowing that dog will never end up in a news story such as this one, that she can never harm herself or any person and is finally at mental peace via humane death.
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Exactly. Not every dog can or should be saved. I've euthanized one dog in 6 years of rescue for human aggression, funny how the couple of rescuers in my community who turned on me over that dog and called me all the names in the book for euthing didn't offer once to take in the dog themselves. I even got bullied by the vet the first time I went to the clinic to have it done. I knew in my gut that it is what needed to be done. They can hate all they want but I sleep better at night knowing that dog will never end up in a news story such as this one, that she can never harm herself or any person and is finally at mental peace via humane death.
You are absolutely right Zelda!

I found it frightening that the only wounds this Chicago Firefighter suffered were to her throat!
It took 4 Chicago Officers to remove the dog.
Alot of people are really shocked. Chicago has lost 3 Firefighters in close to a week.
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What a sad story, unfortunately I could not read the one linked to this page, but had to google it instead, it didnt give much detail save the woman was found at the bottom of her stairs dead, having been mauled by the dog.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people underestimate the power of such dogs like a Mastif. I guess it is because they appear slow, lumbering creatures who don't fit into the neat little package folk think encapsulates what a 'dangerous dog' looks like.

Mastifs actually go for the throat, it is how they bring down such animals as bulls so it doesnt suprise me this poor lady died from such wounds. One can only hope she didnt suffer too much.

May she rest in peace.
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Exactly. Not every dog can or should be saved. I've euthanized one dog in 6 years of rescue for human aggression, funny how the couple of rescuers in my community who turned on me over that dog and called me all the names in the book for euthing didn't offer once to take in the dog themselves. I even got bullied by the vet the first time I went to the clinic to have it done. I knew in my gut that it is what needed to be done. They can hate all they want but I sleep better at night knowing that dog will never end up in a news story such as this one, that she can never harm herself or any person and is finally at mental peace via humane death.
Not all dogs can or should be saved and it is something no one enjoys. Sometimes the damage done before can not be undone. Sorry you were treated unfairly by anyone for doing the best for all involved. Most rescues will not take in dogs that have bitten. It's a big risk.

There are so many dogs that are in rescue that aren't aggressive and just needs a home and chance. That's enough to focus on. But there are a few that no one should save. Sad as it is.......
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Not all dogs can or should be saved and it is something no one enjoys. Sometimes the damage done before can not be undone. Sorry you were treated unfairly by anyone for doing the best for all involved. Most rescues will not take in dogs that have bitten. It's a big risk.

There are so many dogs that are in rescue that aren't aggressive and just needs a home and chance. That's enough to focus on. But there are a few that no one should save. Sad as it is.......
The ignorant vet actually told me I should stick to labs and goldens, lmao, you couldn't pay me to own one of those breeds. I actually sent the dog to an experienced HA dog trainer person she suggested, it was one of her clients....yeah I got a call the very next day that I needed to pick up the dog immediately. Needless to say that vet wasn't there the second time I came in the clinic to finally have the dog put to sleep.

When it comes to dogs with bite histories, to me it's situational and up to the individual dog whether I choose to rescue them or not. A dog that has shown aggression and maybe nipped a human for getting too close to their food bowl? Totally workable and not a death sentence IMO. Some people will euth a dog for that. I always try and keep a level head, my emotions in check, and take a realistic and logical approach to each individual case. If I'm in over my head and it's a type of case that is beyond my capabilities, I'll freely admit that, I'm not going to put myself or the dog in danger, and I will seek out another person who could possibly help and is better suited for that particular dog. Im not a professional behaviorist snd certainly not going to be so prideful and naive and think i can rehab any dog. With that being said, there are of course more serious bite cases that perhaps a seasoned owner or rescuer can handle, but your average pet owner is not going to have the expertise, time, or money to deal with such a dog.

It sucks playing god in dog rescue but that is exactly what many of us do all the time.

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eta wanted to mention that protecting a food bowl is not true human aggression of course, and it's a training issue, not behavioral.
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for me this is clear evidence of why dogs should be adopted out of a dog home/pound from experienced handlers who can give you the necessary information and make a correct assessment of the animal rather than just going to Jack and Jills house to take the dog they "havent got time for" i think its an appalling excuse if someone has gone and got a dog they havent got time for or cannot handle because they havent done the research or got the patience.

im not going to say anymore i will end up well off topic ranting

very sad for the women but have to ask why "a relative didn’t want the dog around her small kids" in my opinion its nothing to do with the size because plenty of people own large dogs and kids, for me its a control issue or aggression, either way previous owner brought the dog up and should have done it properly
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We'll probably never know the rest of the story, but in these cases I often find the owner's logic to be a bit fuzzy when adopting a powerful dog. I wonder if the dog was allowed too much freedom from the start, etc.. "Treats their dogs like children..." that always points to dogs not having any discipline, to me.

Still, sad to hear, and I hope she finds peace. Her heart was in the right place no doubt.
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In my opinion, Mastiffs are one of the breeds that have no place in an 'average family home'
They are just too big and powerful, I would never own one myself, I will never own a dog I cannot physically restrain because of it's size, male dobermans and big male bull terriers are my limit and I know it, just the way I work it, not saying anyone else should live their life in my way.
Having said that there are people out there that have experience enough to own a mastiff, they are not 'average' dog owners, they are mastiff owner families.

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It would also suck if the dog collapsed or became immobile for whatever reason and you were by yourself, needed to rush the dog to the vet, and were physically unable to lift the dog into the vehicle.
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Absolutely brilliant point! I had never thought of that.
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My son keeps on hinting he would like an English Mastif one day, I keep on telling him to dream on. My reasons are 2 fold, one there are no good breeders here in Spain and secondly because whilst they have a better temprement compared to a Neopolitan or a Dogo de Bordeaux they are still a very big powerful dog, one which is too powerful for me to have to handle. Now if you were to ask me what I think of them as a breed I would tell you, I love them and always make a point of going over to say 'hello' whenever I see one out and about (after I have cleared it with the owner). And in truth I would love to own one. Whenever I see Mason the Mastif's pics on this site I go all wobbly, but I have to concede there are some dogs a woman of my stature shouldnt have, and an English Mastif is one of them.

Granted I have owned a Mastif, but she was a Majorcan Mastif, (smaller than an English, Neo, or Dogo) and she was one heck of an exceptional girl. But still she weighed in at 39 kilos (85lb) of solid muscle and when she and my Boxer girl decided to fight one day it took all my strength to hold them apart having exhausted themselves beforehand.

When my Boxer collapsed (the day I had to have her put to sleep) I had the most terrible time of trying to carry her, (she was an oversized Boxer, not fat, 36 kilos or 79lb, of solid muscle and very tall, I guess she could be labelled a Warlock Boxer, lol). Now I am no weakling, I can easily lift 25-30 kilo bags of cement and walk around with them with little to no problems, but I damn near ruptured myself trying to carry her. So I dread to think what a Neo would do.

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Old 11-18-2012, 11:05 PM   #18 (permalink)
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It would also suck if the dog collapsed or became immobile for whatever reason and you were by yourself, needed to rush the dog to the vet, and were physically unable to lift the dog into the vehicle.
This is something that always worried me, and actually the biggest reason I got a smaller dog
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It would also suck if the dog collapsed or became immobile for whatever reason and you were by yourself, needed to rush the dog to the vet, and were physically unable to lift the dog into the vehicle.
People have looked at me like I was crazy for saying this exact same thing, but it is definitely something that people need to consider! I won't get a dog that I can't physically handle by myself. Deacon's 75# is probably close to my limit. I have been in a predicament where my pittie girl had to be carried around and lifted into my SUV, and if this had been a 100+ # dog, I would have been helpless to do anything for the dog!
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