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Old 11-15-2012, 10:35 AM   #26 (permalink)
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A dog killing a cat is NO reason to put him down. Him killing the feral cats is a blessing in disguise, feral cats reproduce at a rapid rate and over populate very quickly. Do you really want to have 100 cats running around your neighborhood? He likes your indoor cats so why do you care about what he kills outside. My beloved Princess took out everything outside (birds, chickens, rabbits, squirrels, rats, etc etc) but she was the most amazing dog, never once did I think "oh she killed a rabbit, maybe I should put her down"

The majority of any dogs you get will want to take out a feral cat on their turf, it's simple prey drive.

It's your choice in the log run but DONT give this dog up to a shelter, find it a good rescue, he deserves it. I also recommend you never owning another dog if you can't handle him/her hunting down some prey.
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Well thanks for the advice everyone. Unfortunately my town has no AC the most the sheriff has to me is and I quote him word for word "If you don't want the strays in your yard I advise you to shoot them or put out poison. It's not my job to take care of strays." My town also has no Humane Society worth mentioning. They don't trap ferals, take in strays, rehome animals, or do any of the other services a humane society is supposed to do. What they do do is run a thrift store. The nearest no kill animal shelters to my town are filled to capacity and have a waiting list of people who want to drop off their pet there and the kill shelters don't hold a dog for more than 48 hours. Not to mention a large solid black dog is not considered easily adoptable, one that has a history of killing cats wouldn't even be put on their adoptable list, he would go straight to the euth list at the shelter and the no kill ones said that he isn't adoptable enough to take in.
Matt Vandart: It was good advice to try and get a tom to keep the ferals away but my old cat wouldn't tolerate a tom around the house.

I also don't see why people are so terribly upset about the fact that I would have him put down. Yes it would be a terrible thing, worse than spending the rest of his life in a kennel at a shelter being taken out once a week for a walk and ignored the rest of the time before he gets put to sleep anyway because no one wants him? I also understand that some people might consider it old fashioned but I was raised that a dog who kills things, for the fun of it, isn't much of a dog in the end. People on this forum can say terrible things about me and think I'm a horrible person if it makes them feel better, it doesn't really bother me. What does bother me is that I asked for advice and only three people who responeded even tried to help, most of you just ranted at me for a bit and left nothing helpful behind.
The dog does not kill for fun, but on instinct whether the motove be by hunting, territorial, protective or dominant instict. The dog is not going to stroll in you yard trying to spitefully to massacre all the cats in the neighborhood. If you fear for your cats, instead of condenming that dog to death contact rescues im sure someone will pick that boy up especially if his alternatum is death
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There is a HUGE difference between a dog killing a feral cat and one they have lived and grown up with.

Dogs chase things and they like to catch them. Period. To your dog, there is no difference between the feral cat, squirrel, chipmunk, gopher, or rabbit that may wander through your yard. It's called prey drive, and all of them are fair game. Fast moving fury creatures are fun targets.

I have 2 cats and 5 dogs and they all get along well, but one of the dogs is obsessive about ANY cat other than my house cats. She isn't going to kill them but she stalks them, pokes them, bats at them, knocks them over, stands over top of them and general tries to annoy the living daylights out of them. If she knows a cat is in the area she shakes and trembles in anticipation and tries everything to find the cat. That said, she doesn't even look at my cats at home- they don't exist to her.

I HAVE lived with a dog who had the potential to hurt or kill my cats. He was OCD and from the get go felt the need to chase the house cats. Even on his meds he couldn't function in the presence of the cat and the potential was there for someone to get seriously hurt (including him and and people who intervened). Even when the cats told him to back off, he kept at it. That didn't make this dog un-adoptable or require he be put to sleep, far from it. It just meant he had to go a home with no cats.

In my opinion, the likelihood of your dog crossing over and killing one of your cats is slim to none, but I don't live with you, your dog or your cats.

That said if you don't want him to continue killing the feral cats you need to figure out how to keep the cats out. Talk to the neighbor about NOT feeding the cats. It's a really bad thing to do and helps nobody.

I really don't like the fact that you feel he would be euthanized if he would kill one of your cats. You are being very closed minded when it comes to this. There are PLENTY of good homes out there who are looking for a great dog who DON'T have cats. If that's his only issue it's a pretty easy one to address. If I thought dogs who killed things were no good in my book I wouldn't have any dogs! ALL of my dogs have at some point caught and killed something. One of them prides himself in leaving the dead gophers on my front step. Yuck.

I think you need to look into the difference between a shelter and a rescue. There is a BIG difference. If you want to re-home him you don't send him to the shelter, you place him with a rescue group. They will place him in an appropriate home without cats if need be. He won't spend weeks in a kennel only getting out once for a walk. He would be living in someones home as a foster dog.
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By "the fun of it" I mean that he doesn't chase squirrels, my horse, my goat, OR any other inside cats or little dogs. He does not have a high prey drive. Other than the feral cats he doesn't chase anything even the time we had a deer get into the yard he didn't chase it even when it was running around like crazy he willing went inside the house so I could get it out the gate. He doesn't play fetch or tug of war. He happily chews on his toys but he won't run after them. He is a low energy mellow dog. If I'm outside int he front yard and a feral cat happens to be there he leaves it alone. But if he sees one and I'm not in his line of sight he will kill it. That doesn't sound like a dog caught up in prey drive to me, if it was he wold be going at them regardless of me being there o not. When he is on leash and we go for a walk he doesn't even LOOK at the stray cats.
I've owned terriers and very high prey drive dogs growing up. You know what happened to them if they went after one of our other pets? When I was little one of my parents dogs killed my cat and I was told that the dog "ran away."

brw1982: I do appreciate where your coming from, I really do. I just can't say "oh well he killed another one of my cats. Too bad." That's the vibe I'm getting from people's posts, like I'm supposed to just get over it. I'm trying to find a solution that ends with my cats being safe and my dog healthy and happy.
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You could trap them and take them to another county that has AC. Feral cats are are a nuisance and carry disease. The most humane thing to do is trap them and have them euthanized IMO. A no kill shelter is not going to take them when there are already so many housecats at the shelters on "death row". If it were me I'd definitely approach the older lady who's feeding the cats and try to get her to stop. Maybe get together with a couple of the neighbors who feel the same way too. As for the dog, I don't know.
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Well thanks for the advice everyone. Unfortunately my town has no AC the most the sheriff has to me is and I quote him word for word "If you don't want the strays in your yard I advise you to shoot them or put out poison. It's not my job to take care of strays." My town also has no Humane Society worth mentioning. They don't trap ferals, take in strays, rehome animals, or do any of the other services a humane society is supposed to do. What they do do is run a thrift store. The nearest no kill animal shelters to my town are filled to capacity and have a waiting list of people who want to drop off their pet there and the kill shelters don't hold a dog for more than 48 hours. Not to mention a large solid black dog is not considered easily adoptable, one that has a history of killing cats wouldn't even be put on their adoptable list, he would go straight to the euth list at the shelter and the no kill ones said that he isn't adoptable enough to take in.
Matt Vandart: It was good advice to try and get a tom to keep the ferals away but my old cat wouldn't tolerate a tom around the house.

I also don't see why people are so terribly upset about the fact that I would have him put down. Yes it would be a terrible thing, worse than spending the rest of his life in a kennel at a shelter being taken out once a week for a walk and ignored the rest of the time before he gets put to sleep anyway because no one wants him? I also understand that some people might consider it old fashioned but I was raised that a dog who kills things, for the fun of it, isn't much of a dog in the end. People on this forum can say terrible things about me and think I'm a horrible person if it makes them feel better, it doesn't really bother me. What does bother me is that I asked for advice and only three people who responeded even tried to help, most of you just ranted at me for a bit and left nothing helpful behind.
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I have talked to the neighbor who feeds the cats and told her about what was going on. Her response was that feeding the cats made her happy and because she isn't going to live for much longer shouldn't she be able to do something that makes her happy? That was pretty much the end of the talk, she isn't going to change her mind. I don't deal with the only other people who live on the street. They are drug dealing theives who squat in the abandoned lot next door. The closest county that has AC is a 140 mile round trip and with the price of gas I can't afford to be going there every time I catch a cat to have it put down not to mention they are closed on the weekends so I would have to take a day off of work. It's a good idea it's just not really doable.
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brw1982: I do appreciate where your coming from, I really do. I just can't say "oh well he killed another one of my cats. Too bad." That's the vibe I'm getting from people's posts, like I'm supposed to just get over it. I'm trying to find a solution that ends with my cats being safe and my dog healthy and happy.
Oh no! I'm not saying at all that you should just get over it, which is why I suggested that it would be appropriate to rehome him. Killing him wouldn't teach him a lesson; it wouldn't bring any balance to the world. You'd just be taking his life in response to a biological instinct he has.

I agree that it would be devastating if one pet were to kill another but I personally couldn't bring myself to euthanize one of my pets knowing there may be another home available to them where they could live out the rest of their days problem free. I wouldn't be able to kill one pet for the death of another. I just couldn't do it.

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I have talked to the neighbor who feeds the cats and told her about what was going on. Her response was that feeding the cats made her happy and because she isn't going to live for much longer shouldn't she be able to do something that makes her happy? That was pretty much the end of the talk, she isn't going to change her mind. I don't deal with the only other people who live on the street. They are drug dealing theives who squat in the abandoned lot next door. The closest county that has AC is a 140 mile round trip and with the price of gas I can't afford to be going there every time I catch a cat to have it put down not to mention they are closed on the weekends so I would have to take a day off of work. It's a good idea it's just not really doable.
Can you create a dog run of some sort possibly making it feral cat proof so atleast your boy can run without coming into confrontation with them.
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Oh dear god another person who thinks the dog only has 2 choices in life, with them or dead. Don't be so egotistical, not being with you isn't a death sentence.


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Oh dear god another person who thinks the dog only has 2 choices in life, with them or dead. Don't be so egotistical, not being with you isn't a death sentence.


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I'm not being egotistical. I'm being realistic. I don't appreciate you saying things like that about me when you don't have first hand understanding of the situation. The first time he killed a cat I contacted rescues and no kill shelters. Not one of them said they could take him or I didn't get a response back from them and it's been several months. I've posted in classified ads and have asked every person I know if they knew a trustworthy person who wanted a dog. I haven't had a single trustworthy person come foreward and say yes I'll take him and give him a good home.
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It isn't so much him killing the ferals that is the main problem. It's the fear of him killing my indoor cats. Growing up I had a dog who killed feral cats and I though along the line of what some people have said that their dogs ignore the indoor cats and only go after the ferals outside. Well one day he kinda clicked on the fact that the cats inside were the same thing as what he killed outside and he killed one of my indoor cats. I honestly can't deal with that happening again with another dog.
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I'm not being egotistical. I'm being realistic. I don't appreciate you saying things like that about me when you don't have first hand understanding of the situation. The first time he killed a cat I contacted rescues and no kill shelters. Not one of them said they could take him or I didn't get a response back from them and it's been several months. I've posted in classified ads and have asked every person I know if they knew a trustworthy person who wanted a dog. I haven't had a single trustworthy person come foreward and say yes I'll take him and give him a good home.
If I don't understand your situation who's fault is that? I only know what you say here.

Sounds to me like you already made your choice, you're just looking for people to agree with you so you can feel less guilty and sleep better at night.


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It isn't so much him killing the ferals that is the main problem. It's the fear of him killing my indoor cats. Growing up I had a dog who killed feral cats and I though along the line of what some people have said that their dogs ignore the indoor cats and only go after the ferals outside. Well one day he kinda clicked on the fact that the cats inside were the same thing as what he killed outside and he killed one of my indoor cats. I honestly can't deal with that happening again with another dog.
Then rehome him. See your mind is already made up, what's the point of asking people for advice if you're just going to argue with them anyway.


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If you had read the post I had put up you would see that I have tried over the last several months to find him a good home and haven't had anyone come foreward with an offer to take him. At least not anyone who isn't going to put him on a chain and have him constantly surrounded by stray dogs.

If you would like a more detailed explanation of what the problem is it is this: I have a neighbor who feeds the feral cats. The feral cats come into my yard and get killed. I have talked to the lady about not feeding the cats and she refuses. I am worried about my dog going from killing the feral cats to killing my indoor cats. I have prior experience with this happening with another dog and was wondering if it was very likely to happen again with this dog. That is what I was wanting to know when I posted this topic not am a horrible person for a having a dog put down that kills cats and I haven't been able to find a home for.
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If you had read the post I had put up you would see that I have tried over the last several months to find him a good home and haven't had anyone come foreward with an offer to take him. At least not anyone who isn't going to put him on a chain and have him constantly surrounded by stray dogs.

If you would like a more detailed explanation of what the problem is it is this: I have a neighbor who feeds the feral cats. The feral cats come into my yard and get killed. I have talked to the lady about not feeding the cats and she refuses. I am worried about my dog going from killing the feral cats to killing my indoor cats. I have prior experience with this happening with another dog and was wondering if it was very likely to happen again with this dog. That is what I was wanting to know when I posted this topic not am a horrible person for a having a dog put down that kills cats and I haven't been able to find a home for.
So since we're assuming that I haven't read anything everything I quoted right now is a repeat correct?

So you try to rehome a dog and is unsuccessful.
You come on the forum and ask if you should rehome the dog.
Some people say yes.
You then complain that you can't rehome the dog, you'll have to put it down.
Not speaking for anyone else but I am confused on what the point of this thread is.


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Like i mentioned before if you have a fear of your indoors being killed, and you cannot keep them separated at all times then contact rescues and see if you can give this boy another home, cat killer or not.
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If you had read the post I had put up you would see that I have tried over the last several months to find him a good home and haven't had anyone come foreward with an offer to take him. At least not anyone who isn't going to put him on a chain and have him constantly surrounded by stray dogs.

If you would like a more detailed explanation of what the problem is it is this: I have a neighbor who feeds the feral cats. The feral cats come into my yard and get killed. I have talked to the lady about not feeding the cats and she refuses. I am worried about my dog going from killing the feral cats to killing my indoor cats. I have prior experience with this happening with another dog and was wondering if it was very likely to happen again with this dog. That is what I was wanting to know when I posted this topic not am a horrible person for a having a dog put down that kills cats and I haven't been able to find a home for.
I don't think you can say, across the board, if a dog kills feral cats that he/she will with all certainty kill a cat he/she lives with. I'd take it on a case-by-case basis. It sounds like he lives harmoniously with your cats and there's no indication he's going to suddenly turn on them.

I wouldn't worry about your indoor cats unless he gives you some kind of clear indication there's a real need for concern. Sounds like it's just the feral cats he has a problem with.
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rehome, are your serious, because your dog has some prey drive? How about you pay attention to what your dog is doing, and stop allowing him to kill and eat cats? what is wrong with people...
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rehome, are your serious, because your dog has some prey drive? How about you pay attention to what your dog is doing, and stop allowing him to kill and eat cats? what is wrong with people...
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Ok thanks for the advice. He has shown no interest in the indoor cats, my neighbor up the street does feed a feral colony though and that's part of the reason so many of the cats get to my yard. The poles for my fence are thick cedar posts that the cats climb and then jump down into the yard. It would cost a pretty penny to have the poles taken out and metal ones put in because they are cemented into place.He is completly utd on all shots for the next 9 months.

brw1982: I wouldn't be putting him down in an attempt to "make it fair" it would be that I wouldn't consider him as being suitable as a pet anymore. Killing an indoor cat is crossing a line in my book that a dog can't go back from.
It is YOUR responsibility to make sure your pets stay safe, especially knowing that your dog has already killed cats. If he kills one of your cats, it is YOUR fault, not your dogs. Stop passing the blame to a dog that can't defend his actions. If he kills cats, why is he still allowed outside unattended, when you know there will be cats there? It just makes no sense to me. THis is like putting an alcoholic to work as a bartender, then being confused why he is drinking. It's absolutely absurd...
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Before you conclude the feral issue is totally hopeless, contact these folks and see if you can get a TNR deal in place.

That way, at least the existing population would remain stable, well, except for your dog's predations, of course.

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Why not muzzle your dog, when you let him out with you? Note he should never be unsupervised with a muzzle on.
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There can be a big difference to a dog between a dog-savvy indoor cat and the furry cat-shaped blur that triggers his prey drive outside. It sounds like your dog falls into this category.

Here's my advice:
Make sure your indoor cats have a safe refuge from him, and never leave them together wholly unsupervised - just in case.

I would also not adopt any new cats in the near future. Your dog may know the current indoor cats and not bother them, but he *might* not extend the same courtesy to a newcomer.

As for the outdoor cats, trying to get a TNR on the feral colony is a great idea, but you are also going to need to start supervising your dog's outdoor time. Maybe try increasing his walk time, and maybe look into a flirt pole to help tire him out instead of letting him spend his energy chasing cats? Try to check for cats too, before releasing him into the yard (I do this with Delta as I don't want her chasing the neighbors' outdoor cats, even though I'm fortunate she won't actually hurt them). How big is your yard? Mine's small enough that a quick glance around is generally sufficient, but that might not be true of a large wooded yard. Also if there's anything in your yard that's attracting the cats, look at removing it. (E.g., if your dog has an outside water bowl, maybe dump it when y'all go inside. That helps keep down mosquitos too!)

Talk to your neighbor about his feeding them - since he obviously likes cats perhaps he'll help you with the TNR traps? Also, if he insists on feeding the colony, is where he feeding them encouraging them to come through your fenced area? Maybe something as simple as having him swap to his front yard instead of back (for example) might possibly cut down on the cat traffic through yours.

Best of luck to you and your furry family!
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I am not sure how your dog is killing all of these cats if you can recall him off deer and other animals. I am glad he hasn't gotten clawed up.
It is good he is keeping the strays away from your indoor cats. Many cats get very worked up and start marking or having behavioural issues when they encounter random cats in their territory at the back door and through windows. Those same cats also could bring parasites and disease to your pet cats.

My Dobermans past and present have always treated outdoor cats differently than "their" indoor pet cat. We live on acreage and lots of people have cats roaming around. The Doberman who is the best of any dog we have had with our own cat is not good at all with all these outdoor kitties.
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Leliel: I own an acre of property and part of it is heavily wooded. Even when I do check for cats sometimes one is missed...The cats are able to get into the top of my closet via a climb that I have set up for them. I have tried flirt poles for him and he just ignored it. Other than the feral cats he really has no interest in other moving objects. When I throw a ball or a toy he doesn't run after it and even as a puppy he never really played tug-o-war. He would gently grab the toy but as soon as I pull on it he lets go. We walk over two miles in the evening and after getting a drink he goes right to sleep, just completely tired out.
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