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Doberman with a toy breed

Does anyone have a toy breed living in the same house with their Doberman? If yes, did you get the toy or the doberman first?
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I'd check with your (Dobe & Toy )breeder.

My Dobes' breeders, Jim and Nancy Barrett of Magis Dobermans, had Chinese Cresteds and Dobes for almost twenty years. And now they have a young Min Pin. However, they are very experienced owners.
It probably depends on the owner, the Doberman and the toy breed; I believe a breed like a Min Pin could be a volatile mix with a Doberman in certain situations.
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I'd check with your (Dobe & Toy )breeder.

My Dobes' breeders, Jim and Nancy Barrett of Magis Dobermans, had Chinese Cresteds and Dobes for almost twenty years. And now they have a young Min Pin. However, they are very experienced owners.
It probably depends on the owner, the Doberman and the toy breed; I believe a breed like a Min Pin could be a volatile mix with a Doberman in certain situations.
Thanks Jeff. My 9 yr old step daughter wants a smooth coat Brussels Griffon or a Pomeranian. (she got a dog breed book and has been studying it) If her mother says ok, The dog would primarily live with her at her Mom and step dad's house but would most likely be with us every other weekend. My breeder only has Dobermans.
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I had Chinese Cresteds before we got our Doberman. We also show and raise British Shorthair cats and it is amazing how Dobermans act around these toy breeds. I will
find pictures to send with this.
I can't seem to find in my files the cute pic of Dobe and Crested...
Most of the time it is the Crested that leads the Dobermans into deep trouble.
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found a couple pix of Dobe and Crested playing.
When I first introduced my Dobermans to the Cresteds it was only supervised. It is hard but you have to remember they are toy breeds, even though most toys want you to forget that. If playing got to rough I always had to remind the Dobermans. They are so, so smart and learn what you want and how to temper the play.
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found a couple pix of Dobe and Crested playing.
When I first introduced my Dobermans to the Cresteds it was only supervised. It is hard but you have to remember they are toy breeds, even though most toys want you to forget that. If playing got to rough I always had to remind the Dobermans. They are so, so smart and learn what you want and how to temper the play.
that is too cute I've never seen one of those Chinese crested dogs in person. They look so spunky.
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Michelle Santana (Foxfire) got a Papillion after years and years of northing except Dobes. The Papillon grew up with Doberman puppies and turned out to be tougher than the Dobes.

I know several people who have Dobes and Chinese Cresteds. Another case where the toys turned out to be tougher than the Dobermans.

Min Pins are a fairly common combination and Pins are definitely tough and feisty enough to deal with Dobes.

There is definitely a learning curve when you combine a large breed with a very small one but Dobes are pretty quick to learn "how" to interact with the very small guys.
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We had a male Dobe who grew up with a female Peke. Never had any issues at all except her barking and putting him on alert. By the same token I have had several friends who were not as fortunate. A mature Doberman can kill or maim a smaller dog in the blink of a eye, even if it is unintentional. What would be a simple admonishment to a larger dog can be very serious when a small dog is involved.

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Since the dog would likely just be sort of a visitor to your house on every other weekend, I would think it is possible some “territorial” issues could crop up--especially if they are the same sex or if either one resource guards to some degree. But that, of course, you wouldn’t know about until it happens. You might want to do some thinking about how you would handle the situation if it crops up (separate living quarters, individual playing times, etc.). And you would always need to monitor their time together; I would not leave them both out together while I went somewhere, for example, even if they played well when I was around.

When dobes are puppies, they are clumsy and can get carried away with rough play. Toys are spunky but they don’t always realize that they are small. If you start with a grown-up toy and a dobe puppy, you would need to monitor their play and be prepared to step in if somebody looks annoyed or overwhelmed. An older dog will generally warn off the young one if he gets too rambunctious, but a toy *might* not be able to make the warning impressive enough to ward off a persistent rambunctious pup.

If you start with an adult dobe and then add a toy puppy to the mix? No experience there, but I imagine it would depend on the dobe’s tolerance for other dogs and/or pesky puppies, which varies from dog to dog. I had a female who HATED puppies anywhere she met them, though she was relatively tolerant with adult dogs when she was out and about. She would not have been a good candidate for a puppy “visitor”, though it is possible that if the puppy was a full-time resident, we could have gotten her to get along with him. You would want to have enough control over the dobe that you could step in and tell him to cool it if their interactions got too rough--and have him listen.

And of course, accidents can always happen. Toys are fragile with a large dog even if they don’t think so.

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Is it possible that the small breed dog would stay at the girls house during the weekends she is away? I think it would depend largely on how the dogs are individually, my boy loves other dogs but other dogs are not so keen on his exuberance. Also he is so big and clunky he could knock you out without even trying, he hurts my foot from accidentally stepping on me I can only imagine if it was a tiny dog. That being said I have never owned a dog smaller than about 40 lbs so I literally have zero experience owning them, and I have confidence that if they were full time residents they could become very comfortable with one another however with how infrequently they would be potentially seeing each other it could go either way.
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Most all of my Dobermans were very tolerant of smaller dogs. I say most because my current male came from a house that had a dachshund, they let the dachshund torment the Doberman. one day he said enough and almost killed him. Dobermans are generally tolerant but just like all of us they have their limits. What one person thinks is cute, could be seen very differently from the eyes of the dog.
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Is it possible that the small breed dog would stay at the girls house during the weekends she is away? I think it would depend largely on how the dogs are individually, my boy loves other dogs but other dogs are not so keen on his exuberance. Also he is so big and clunky he could knock you out without even trying, he hurts my foot from accidentally stepping on me I can only imagine if it was a tiny dog. That being said I have never owned a dog smaller than about 40 lbs so I literally have zero experience owning them, and I have confidence that if they were full time residents they could become very comfortable with one another however with how infrequently they would be potentially seeing each other it could go either way.
Yes, OC the small one could stay with her mom on weekends she is with us, I just wanted to give her the option to bring him/her as I thought it would be fun for Moose and she won't have to miss her puppy all weekend. I've never owned a dog under 80lbs so have no clue. They sure look fragile! I must say though, that smooth coat Brussels Griffon with the ears done is pretty darn cute. She loves the Pomeranians too but i'm worried it is too hot down here for one. Last week it was almost 90 degrees. The dog would live inside but still...that is hot for a dog with a big coat. The decision isn't up to me, I just want to be prepared in the event that she does get one. I am so in love with my Doberman puppy, sometimes, I carry him around like a baby. I'm already getting depressed thinking about how I won't be able to carry him in a month or so. It would be fun to have a small dog around every once in a while2smile: see pic below...I love carrying him
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Yes, I own a Doberman and a Papillon! I had the Doberman first.. fostered the Papillon and ended up keeping him!

Riley is beyond gentle with him and they play everyday. Milo will bite her ankles to get her going and she will flip him around with her head. I do separate them when I am not home just to be safe. I don't worry about Riley intentionally hurting him but their size difference is so great, that an accident could really hurt the little guy. All the neighbors call them the odd couple and they really are the best of friends.

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I have two dobermans and a toy poodle.
The only thing I recommend is ensuring you never leave them unattended. My dobes are gentle for dobes with the old man but still far rougher than he tolerates.
Even the most well meaning dobe with could injure with a mistimed nose poke, and we've all seen the paws fly.
Mine both have a solid leave it, we have to watch to ensure he's not run over.


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I feel you, I totally reminisce and miss being able to carry my little fluff ball around. I can't pick him up anymore, but I have much more to cuddle with and a stoic partner out on the trails . And no accidents inside! However he is still very much a (big) baby, I'm amazed at how many people we encounter that comment my 90 lbs beast "must still be a pup" hehe. I'm not even kidding when I say this... but I wish I could rent a puppy for a day when I feel like it!
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Hey AllisonJ,

Welcome to DT, fellow San Antonian!

We got our firecracker, Lanah (a Chi-Cairn Terrier X), when she was 10 mo. and about 6 lbs.
She's put on some weight since growing up to full size about 10 lb. (not exactly "toy")
She and Spock are best play buddies, be it wrestling, hide n'seek or chase around the house or pool.
She is like his little shadow outside. She even gets our female Dobe, Eva ("stick-in-the-mud"), to play on occasion.
Lanah will let a loud squeal when Spock gets too rough, then he'll back off. Of course Lanah comes right back for more play!
Lanah always has her crate nearby as a "sanctuary" from the Dobe rough housing.

I think compatibility will depend strongly on the individual dog's temperaments. We had her visit many during dog sits for my daughter before adopting her.

Here are some previous related threads with embedded YouTube videos:
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Another Lanah & Spock Video Thread

Eva & Lanah "The Pirahna" At Play Videos

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Hey AllisonJ,

Welcome to DT, fellow San Antonian!

We got our firecracker, Lanah (a Chi-Cairn Terrier X), when she was 10 mo. and about 6 lbs.
She's put on some weight since growing up to full size about 10 lb. (not exactly "toy")
She and Spock are best play buddies, be it wrestling, hide n'seek or chase around the house or pool.
She is like his little shadow outside. She even gets our female Dobe, Eva ("stick-in-the-mud"), to play on occasion.
Lanah will let a loud squeal when Spock gets too rough, then he'll back off. Of course Lanah comes right back for more play!
Lanah always has her crate nearby as a "sanctuary" from the Dobe rough housing.

I think compatibility will depend strongly on the individual dog's temperaments. We had her visit many during dog sits for my daughter before adopting her.

Here are some previous related threads with embedded YouTube videos:
Who Da Alpha, Spock or Lanah?

Another Lanah & Spock Video Thread

Eva & Lanah "The Pirahna" At Play Videos

(Lanah) - Living With My Dobes

Well Hello!! How cute is Spock with Lanah. He is so patient love the videos! Since you are from SA, you will know what I mean when I say GSG!!!
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Zuko is our only dog. Several relatives that we visit often have smaller breeds -- Chinese Crested, Cockapoo, Maltese, Chihuahua. All except the Maltese mix puppy are rescues, and none of them like Zuko. Even the puppy, the first time Zuko walked by him about a month ago he made this horrible murderous cry and backed away under a couch to get away from him. Poor Zuko. I've found it's a combination of his size, his rough play and constant trotting (he's like a shark, can't sit still) that gets them all anxious, so it isn't too often that he sees them all. Oh well! Just my experience though. We will probably stick with the large breed dogs, just because they mingle better together.

I wouldn't deem it impossible though. Always supervised play of course.

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We have a Dachshund and they do great together. My Dobie bullies him a little sometimes, but it seems to be for fun because Dachshund's are fearless and Mojo just likes to piss him off and make him bark. LOL But he's never aggressive to the Dachshund. They're both males too, and both intact. Still no problems....
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We had a 3 yr. old female Min Pin and adopted a young male Dobe when he was about 11 months old. They lived a long time together but it was always clear, the Min Pin was in charge.
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We have our sons little Trevor and sometimes his sister Molly, when owners take holidays and usually see Mr T one day on weekend...they are YorkiePoo's.
- the litter mates were puppies and trained by our former good girl dobe Amy
- the puppy introduction was easy-peasy
- but both Trevor & Amy wanted to be the center of attention, and each would steel the others toys...lol
- little dogs were 100% safe, with our calm Doberman, but Amy was happiest without sharing dad's love with the "rug-Rats"

4.5 years ago, current puppy dobe Kelly meet adult little Trevor.
Kel was a high prey drive girl and Trevor was an alpha male.
- they both wanted to be the BOSS, T-man had it made in the shade, with our former Amy...Kelly never got the email
But little Molly was ignored, a 3 legged little dog...this was good, for her safety.
- took over a year of constant supervision & breaking up fights between Trevor &/or Kelly...they both started them
- the early days, was a tiring time but they finally accepted each other
- never did crate & rotate, and over time...problem solved without supervision now
Now their two peas in a pod and get along good now...sometimes they will even rest together.

PS - for a little guy, Trevor is really smart...I trained him off-leash in Toronto, when he was 1.5 yrs old, on a sidewalk
- he was also trained by our former dobe Amy & copied her mannerisms & learned a lot of words...we love our boy
- like our dobes, little Trevor is an attention seeker and he thinks the dobes prized toys, belong to him
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