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Smaller breed suggestions for a doberman lover?

In my current apartment/health situation I can't take on the responsibility of a dobie. I've got an awesome yard and access to a big meadow/trails but the apartment is tiny and I don't have stamina for a big dog. :/

However a smaller (and healthier) breed I could work with just fine. After researching and researching for the past few weeks, I'm considering a standard Rat Terrier, but i couldn't find a forum for them or anything so I figured I'd post here.
Does anyone have any other breeds to recommend that are under 45 lbs or so? I grew up with dobermans and I've mostly been around big dogs all my life XD
anyone know how much a small/medium breed puppy will cost? is it about the same as a doberman puppy? more expensive? I'm worried I'll research and wait and then get surprised by the price...
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My wife's best friend has a French Bulldog and a Scottie. Both are females. The Frenchie is a about 2 1/2. The Scottie is a senior. Bothe are spayed females. The get along famously and are very good with guests and children.

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I know of a few Doberman people who have Rat Terriers - they do agility with them. I've considered them myself as I'm getting older - but like you, just don't know enough about them.

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I am a huge fan of Miniature Pinscher. My Shortie is a black and tan min pin x Chihuahua and thinks she is the queen of the whole house (cause she pretty much is now). She is amazing, smart and will stand her ground with Dobershark. She is also very smart and will learn anything you wanna teach, but would be just as happy under a blanket on the couch.
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another idea may be to go check out some small to medium sized young adult dogs at an all breed rescue.

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I considered a Boston Terrier. I've heard good things about them, but can't speak to personal experience. I did personally own a mini dachshund and wouldn't get another (no offense meant to anyone who haves them or loves them, but they aren't for me). Several in my family own miniature schnauzers and really enjoy them.
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Always heard Scotties are one of the most self-willed (stubborn) of the terriers and can be difficult to train.

This site seems to be a good resource for all kinds of breeds--

Scottish Terriers: What's Good About 'Em? What's Bad About 'Em?

at least they’ve got their description of dobermans down pretty well.
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Just consider the Group they come from in your search. Terriers will be boisterous, active and the will bark and undoubtedly they will dig up your garden etc. Their very name means 'to go to ground'
Most terriers, not all of course require diligent grooming.
Toy breeds can have their health problem, so be sure and go to a reputable breeder.
Pra, cataracts, slipping patellas, to name a few. They are so popular that most people don't care about the health checks.

Make a list of things that are important to you - barking, hyperactivity, shedding, grooming. If you like hiking, make sure you get a dog that can keep up. A brachcephalic type would probably not do for you in that instance.

Whippets are gorgeous, but being in the hound group, they would have to be watched closely off leash. Plus, they can be very aloof, especailly around strangers. My friend owns several and she loves that about them, but they are difficult to train, as they live to please themselves.
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thank you so much for all the responses!

I'm familiar with dachshunds and mini schnauzers, but I don't think they're right for me. whippets/iggys are adorable, but they're kind of delicate, right? Our neighbors share a yard with us and they're dogs are very big and playful, and I've heard whippets/iggys can break legs easily. I've met a few mini pins too, but there aren't any in my area, I think. Brachy dogs aren't for me. I hadn't thought of scotties, I'll take a look at them.

A little background: This whole search was inspired by my friend's rescue dog. she's a border collie mix, a very sweet tempered and intelligent dog. I looked after her for a week and she stuck to me like glue and adjusted to the house rules quickly. However, she's very low energy in comparison to the average BC.

I've searched through the rescues in my area and haven't found a dog that was a good fit for me. I'm wary of taking a risk on a young puppy from a rescue and I've only seen large breed puppies anyway. I'm still keeping an eye on listings, though, since I probably won't get a dog until the spring. Several of the all-breed rescues in the area aren't reputable and frequently lie about the health and temperament of their dogs, so I'm a little wary, but there is one that I'd probably trust.

Since posting I've done some more research on RTs. They're biggest health issues are certain eye problems, but testing can rule it out as an issue. They also are prone to allergies, but I'm willing to get picky about food and shampoo, if needed. Otherwise, they're healthy and have great longevity. They aren't as intense as most terrier breeds, and tend to have an 'off' switch. They're velcro dogs! And there appears to be a really reputable breeder in my area who does all health testing...but they breed rarely, so i might have to wait a while. Until then, I'm going to keep researching and considering other breeds and checking rescues.
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A member here Wmratz breeds and shows rat terriers. They haven’t been on here for a while, so I don’t know what is going on in their lives, but maybe you could try PMing or emailing them with our forum messaging system and get more info about the breed. Like I said, her last post was quite a while ago, but it did say she lived in VERMONT!!

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Might try a Papillon single coated breed easy to groom stick in the sink to give a bath I always used a small wet/vac that blows air to dry them cheaper than a dog dryer. They are usually super smart can be trained to do about anything if taught fetch great exercise. Had one for 14 & 1/2 years.
In my opinion Rat Terriers can be stubborn terrier breed, Min Pin's also terrier both have very high energy.
Also have had big dogs most of the time know what you mean. Good Luck in your quest.
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A member here Wmratz breeds and shows rat terriers. They haven’t been on here for a while, so I don’t know what is going on in their lives, but maybe you could try PMing or emailing them with our forum messaging system and get more info about the breed. Like I said, her last post was quite a while ago, but it did say she lived in VERMONT!!
Yes, I think I know who you mean, I'm following her page on FB! She has a beautiful KettleCove dobie and mostly mini rat terriers I think. I'm hoping for a standard. If I don't find one, I might contact her, but imo she had a lot of litters recently and went ahead with them even though she hadn't placed all the puppies. Now, I don't know the circumstances, maybe she had buyers back out, but I was kind of surprised at the number of litters, so she's not my first choice. There's also something sort of chihuahua about her dogs faces, but maybe that's typical of smaller RTs?

I'm really liking what I see from Dogs of Steel Rat Terriers. They titled some of the first grand champions in the breed and they don't breed often. They're also just down the interstate from me. I'm hoping they have a litter planned for the spring or summer. If not, I'll check out 3Bear Farm, who breeds standards for agility and appears to be really dedicated to educating people about health testing the breed. And if that doesn't work out, I might check out WMRats.
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Might try a Papillon single coated breed easy to groom stick in the sink to give a bath I always used a small wet/vac that blows air to dry them cheaper than a dog dryer. They are usually super smart can be trained to do about anything if taught fetch great exercise. Had one for 14 & 1/2 years.
In my opinion Rat Terriers can be stubborn terrier breed, Min Pin's also terrier both have very high energy.
Also have had big dogs most of the time know what you mean. Good Luck in your quest.
I've seen papillons and dobermans together before XD they look fun. I've never owned a dog that had a longer coat, but i had an angora rabbit in high school, so i could probably handle it.
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There is a "terriost" in every terrier. Remember that. Rat Terriers (Fox Terriers) are a very hard wired breed. You better have a job for them and you better be smarter than they are, or your life will be pure hell. They make very good agility dogs and barn hunt dogs. Seen them excel at Nose Work too. My experience has been that 90% are smarter than their owners and they push it to the limit.
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I had a Standard Rattie, and one day, I'd like to have another.

Have you considered a pittie?


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German Pinschers have the look of the Doberman and several of their wonderful qualities. I have a 10 month old female who is currently a UKC champion. She has her CGC and 2 barn hunt titles. She is doing very well in the AKC breed ring with both her majors. She is Smart and a little sassy.

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I'd probably get a German Pinscher if I could find one in my area.

Terrier "terrorists" LOL that's a good description. I think they're hard wired for things that I'm excited about though. Barn Hunt is a cool sport, I've been researching it.
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I haven't considered a pittie because of BSL :/
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My mom was always fostering smaller dogs if needed a smaller breed my vote would go to a Frenchy or a bichon frise. They don't shed and they are goofy . mine was 25lbs witch is very big for that breed.

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You run into that with a lot of breeds, unfortunately, including Dobes.
Yeah. When I raised a doberman (I got her when I was twelve and trained her all by myself, I can't believe that now) my parents owned a home, and most of our neighbors were dog people, so it was fine. but I never knew how people would react to her on walks. Some people were terrified, some people were aggressive, some people wanted to give opinions, one day this stranger came up to me in tears bc she missed her dobie and it was raining and she wanted to give us her umbrella....anyway, it was kind of a whole extra responsibility that I was surprised by. I'm going to have more dobies someday but right now I need a less controversial dog.
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Yeah. When I raised a doberman (I got her when I was twelve and trained her all by myself, I can't believe that now) my parents owned a home, and most of our neighbors were dog people, so it was fine. but I never knew how people would react to her on walks. Some people were terrified, some people were aggressive, some people wanted to give opinions, one day this stranger came up to me in tears bc she missed her dobie and it was raining and she wanted to give us her umbrella....anyway, it was kind of a whole extra responsibility that I was surprised by. I'm going to have more dobies someday but right now I need a less controversial dog.
I can usually tell who a dog person is and who isn't.. I get dirty looks when i walk any of my pups. Usually people who are more accepting of a breed has grown up around that breed or has owned one. If i see a pit or dobbie rottie out in public I'll walk up ask if I can pet them. They look at me like I'm crazy lol.

Its a shame.. That you always have to defend your breed.

Have you though about a heeler. ? They are fun mid sized dogs

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