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Olde English Bulldog

What the heck is this??? My neighbor has one but it sure doesn't look like an English Bulldog to me. It is more long legged and not so much of a smush nose.

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Olde English is an awesome breed. I am sure Wikipedia -- or others here -- will know more about its history. But they are great. To me they seem like a smaller, squarer and sillier American Bulldog. They are surprisingly athletic. My girl plays with a few, and they can hold their own with her ... for a little while anyway ;-)
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If I'm not mistaken, I think it is an attempt to recreate the type of bulldog that existed before the fad to breed towards more exaggerated (and impractical) physical features.

The bulldogs that were used in Engand to actually bait bulls looked nothing like the English Bulldogs we have come to accept. I believe the Olde English Bulldog is an effort to breed back towards that.
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Yea, what Working said. I don't know if the lines actually go back to them or not but its basically what those dogs were when they had a function and form to follow it.


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I have no idea whatsoever about the actual lineage, as I am not a "bulldog person". Actually, I can't help but wonder if it's even close, because if you ever look at any authentic engravings of bull baitings that were created during that era, the dogs pictured always look like staffordshires to me. I've never seen any era authentic pictorials of bull baitings that show a dog looking like an English Bulldog.
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Okay then that dog is beginning to make sense. The owner is my neighbor but I ran into his mom at the Electric Co when requesting them to cut down a tree in my yard. She said her son lived on my street and there you go. She was very specific that her son was specific that the dog was an Ole or Old English Bulldog. I looked it up on the internet but didn't see or read anything that told me what I wanted to know. Il guess I wasn't thorough or patient enough.
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yea im no expert either but I might be able to find some older pictures and more info.


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This may be of interest. Of course it's a wikipedia article, so it's not citable for a master's thesis or anything, but it appears to be credible.

Old English Bulldog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The attachment is supposed to be an authentic painting of two real dogs of the timeperiod, supposedly very well known for their perfect conformation.
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i know of someone on another board who collects old pictures of dogs of all breeds, I will see what she has.


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One of my managers has one, and several of my customers do as well. Lola is just about a year old and built very differently from an English bully. Longer legs, shoulders aren't quite as broad, nose isn't as short. She's also very athletic.

One of my customers does weight pulling with hers.

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I read an article some years back in Dog Fancy or Dog World a breeder in the South was trying to recreate the Bulldog of old the Bulldog now days has to turn his head almost upside down to smell something on the ground. They cannot have puppies naturally they have all kinds of breathing and skin problems around their faces my son has one its really sad to see what show people have done to the breed.Noway nohow could a Bulldog of today bait a bull.Of course that is against the law which it should be the price of a Bulldog puppy is way up there because most or all have to have C _ Sections because their heads & shoulders are too big.Do not think the Olde English Bulldogs are AKC recognized as yet.
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I read an article some years back in Dog Fancy or Dog World a breeder in the South was trying to recreate the Bulldog of old the Bulldog now days has to turn his head almost upside down to smell something on the ground. They cannot have puppies naturally they have all kinds of breathing and skin problems around their faces my son has one its really sad to see what show people have done to the breed.Noway nohow could a Bulldog of today bait a bull.Of course that is against the law which it should be the price of a Bulldog puppy is way up there because most or all have to have C _ Sections because their heads & shoulders are too big.Do not think the Olde English Bulldogs are AKC recognized as yet.
No, they are classified as a rare breed and not recognized by the AKC. It is my understanding that the true English Bulldogs are extinct as a result of England's Animal Cruelty Act of 1835. After bull baiting became illegal, the breed as it was basically faded into non-existence as they morphed into what became the Staffordshire terrier.

I don't think the Old English Bulldogs being bred today can actually trace lineage back to the original bulldogs of England. I almost get the same feeling about this breed that I do about the Shiloh Shepherd.
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Here is a good info site for Olde English Bulldogges

IOEBA Olde English Bulldogge History


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ok so I caved..
and I googled...
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at that FACE!
gotta admit he's a stunning looking dog!
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No, they are classified as a rare breed and not recognized by the AKC. It is my understanding that the true English Bulldogs are extinct as a result of England's Animal Cruelty Act of 1835. After bull baiting became illegal, the breed as it was basically faded into non-existence as they morphed into what became the Staffordshire terrier.

I don't think the Old English Bulldogs being bred today can actually trace lineage back to the original bulldogs of England. I almost get the same feeling about this breed that I do about the Shiloh Shepherd.
That has been my impression, too, sorta like some of the "foundation" horse breeding that is a fad too now.

I'm not bothered enough to go read the links, gotta run here in a minute, but I sincerely hope that folks doing this type of breeding are doing so with utmost care and ethics.

Anything that makes dogs healthier and more athletic is okay in my book, I just don't know that creating a "new breed" in the nostalgia of something gone is really necessary.

If the line is truly extinct, then it's extinct, and you're simply creating a new hybrid at this point. There's already hundreds of dog breeds here on the ground, so.

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Ew, tags on a choke chain, in a chain link fenced area? Can we say strangulation, waiting to happen?

He is a pretty dog.

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He does look nice. Look at the nostrils, I bet he can actually breath through them and the nice straight front legs.
I think he is a pretty dog too. I will have to get a better look at my neighbors dog now. Must go visit.

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