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"15 breeds new dog owners should avoid"

Has anyone seen this? 15 Dog Breeds New Pet Owners Should Avoid | Pets - Yahoo Shine


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I saw it on Yahoo news. While there is some truth that a lot of new and even some experienced owners shouldn't have these breeds, I don't think it's true for everyone. Dogs and people individuals and I don't like blanket articles like this.
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I don't think there is such a thing as a breed that isn't for newbies. I think the actual message behind this applies to all breeds: You need to do your research on the breed before you bring it home and you need to be prepared to train and exercise your dog. Period. Regardless of whether it is a Chihuahua, Poodle, Doberman, German Shepherd or Saint Bernard. You need to raise and care for your dog appropriately, and you need to make sure the breed is a good fit for you. I had to laugh at where it said (I think for the Akita) that it needs a 30 to 40 minute walk every day. Um, it's a dog. Every dog should be exercised for that at a minimum. If you want a pet to cuddle a bit but not exercise every day and which doesn't require a whole bunch of attention all of the time then get a cat instead.

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Well, the list wasn't as "bad" as I thought it was going to be. I think it's meant to be light hearted?

But I think people and dogs are all very different, individually speaking. For some people, a Doberman is not a good "starter" dog. For others, things end up just fine. It has to do with preparedness, I think, and adaptability! (also, perhaps, a place like DT )

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I don't think most first time owners should get a Doberman .just my opinion.
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I don't think most first time owners should get a Doberman .just my opinion.
I agree if we're talking about those people that are like "Oh hey, we should get a puppy" or pick a Doberman because of the look or reputation.

As for those people who choose a Doberman after doing their research because they feel it is the right breed for them I disagree. Maybe not a puppy, but an older rescue. I never had a dog before Scarlet and she was the best dog I could have ever imagined. I purposefully chose a Doberman. I never wanted any other kind of dog, so I don't think if I had gotten any random dog it would have worked out as well.

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Catahoula and border collie should be on there imo. More so than English Bulldog, anyway.

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It all comes down to doing your research before you get any dog. There are some breeds that are not appropriate for first time dog owners... at least, not for first timers who haven't done their homework and have no plan in place. Someone who has support from their breeder or rescue, trainers, forums like this one, and time to put into training the dog and meeting its needs would do just fine with most dogs. A doberman might be fine for a first dog, if the potential owner had their homework done and was ready to jump in headfirst with training.

It's when you get the impulse buyers and the OMG so cute buyers that there's a problem. You all know I worked at a pet store that sold puppies. I'll never forget one lady I talked to who came in with her two kids. They were maybe 4 and 6 years old. She fell in love with the fluffy black and white Border Collie, and had to have it. I talked her out of it and into going to the shelter to find a kid-friendly older dog who was already housebroken. And then there was the lady in the pet store I buy griff's food from, who had her three young kids and their first dog ever, a Presa. She was shocked when I said nobody's going to touch your kids with that dog around, he'll guard them. "What do you mean, he's so friendly!" Well yeah sure, he's 12 weeks old. She didn't know they were protective and aloof, because she'd done no research.

Lists like this are valuable though, because they do curb some of the impulse buyers. Most of the breeds on that list are not for a novice owner who isn't 100% prepared. If reading an article on Yahoo keeps someone from impulse buying a Cattle Dog or a Rottie, then more power to Yahoo.

I also read the companion article "18 best breeds." Three or four of them were poodle mixes, and while Yahoo was careful to say "As with the other designer mixes, it's important to keep in mind that his traits are not fixed," they didn't mention the high energy poodles have. Most of the golden/poodle and Lab/poodle mixes I see have very high amounts of energy, especially as puppies.

So long story short, if people would just do their research before getting a dog, we'd be a lot better off. And yeah, I know I'm preaching to the choir here.

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And then there was the lady in the pet store I buy griff's food from, who had her three young kids and their first dog ever, a Presa. She was shocked when I said nobody's going to touch your kids with that dog around, he'll guard them. "What do you mean, he's so friendly!" Well yeah sure, he's 12 weeks old. She didn't know they were protective and aloof, because she'd done no research.
I hope this woman is working with a trainer if she still has the dog. Someone getting a Presa without doing the proper research is definitely scary. I'm pretty sure she didn't get the dog from a reputable breeder.
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Well, I admit that I didn't do as much research as I should have before getting a Doberman. However, I did rule out what I didn't want.
The fit has worked out great for me. Again though, since getting my dog I have learned the difference between a person/family that has a dog and a RESPONSIBLE dog owner.
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My riding instructor who was also my buddy rider's instructor had enough sense and experience to put me in the middle of the herd of horses with experience and experienced riders and we did fine. But yeah, I'm sure I wouldn't have even thought about getting into a parade in the first place, but thank goodness someone with experience and training took me under their wing. I said all that to say if you have never owned a Doberman before there has to be a first time. I truly believe in all the helpful information I've gleened from this forum. I'm also sure that if I had found it before I already had my dog that I would have been deemed unfit as a Dobie owner. I do not regret getting my dog and I've felt really blessed by finding this site and learning so much more then all the books on the actual breed can give. Either that, or I haven't found that Doberman breed specific book yet on the market.
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I hope this woman is working with a trainer if she still has the dog. Someone getting a Presa without doing the proper research is definitely scary. I'm pretty sure she didn't get the dog from a reputable breeder.
I'm sure she didn't. Selling a presa to a family with young kids, who have no knowledge of the breed? Not real bright. The store's owner and I talked to them about the breed and about socialization and training. I gave them the trainer's number that I've taken my dogs to, including dog-aggressive Logan. She knows her stuff, she's one of the people that the difficult dogs go to, and she'll know how to help them out with this Presa. I hope it did some good. Presas are a terrible choice for uninformed owners.
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I'm sure she didn't. Selling a presa to a family with young kids, who have no knowledge of the breed? Not real bright. The store's owner and I talked to them about the breed and about socialization and training. I gave them the trainer's number that I've taken my dogs to, including dog-aggressive Logan. She knows her stuff, she's one of the people that the difficult dogs go to, and she'll know how to help them out with this Presa. I hope it did some good. Presas are a terrible choice for uninformed owners.
Are you two talking about a Presa Canario? If so, sweet Jeebus!

I would never, ever adopt or (impulse) buy such a large, powerful breed without doing boatloads of research first. Heck, I didn't even adopt my beagle mix until I had assimilated as much info as I could on the breed.

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I don't think there is such a thing as a breed that isn't for newbies...
While I'll strongly agree with--and grant--your point about preparedness, I also have to strongly disagree with your above statement I pulled out.

I don't care how many books you read, how many DVDs you watch, how many internet forums you lurk on, or participate in...it's NOT ever going to be the same as personal experience and practice in the field.

You can read about timing in training, but you cannot gain impeccable timing, without lots of coaching and practice. You can read about learning dog body language, but you have to put it into practice and evaluate how you did.

There are certain breed traits and puppy behaviors that happen so fast, and can escalate so quickly, that a total novice is going to be completely out of their depth. Learning how to cope with that, and up your game, is NOT something newbs should be doing, with some breeds.

So, to sum up--I absolutely totally agree that there are some breeds that do not lend well to being "first dogs."

That article was the typical fluff piece that gets published in that type of venue, but it also was not the worst done one I've seen. And at least they gave a shout out for positive press on bully breeds, although I wish they'd placed a few more caveats and a bit more guidance, in regards to choosing individual dogs from those breeds.

And, Wes, I'd agree with you that Catahoulas and BCs should have made the list.

I'd also add a lot of the area guard heritage type breeds, lots of the Molosser breeds.

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I think a better list would be "15 breeds suited to new dog owners", as I can certainly think of WAY more than 15 that are not the easiest for first time owners.


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I think a better list would be "15 breeds suited to new dog owners", as I can certainly think of WAY more than 15 that are not the easiest for first time owners.
What Are The Best Dogs for First-Time Owners? Vets Place Their Votes

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Wow...That list is based on vet recommendations? I would have figured vets could understand what a breed of dog is yet there are 4 mutts that make the list.

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I can see both sides of the argument on this one. While a breed does have innate characteristics that may or may not make them an easy first pet, individual dogs are all different. As with any big decision in life, as dogs are meant to have forever homes, people need to do their research before jumping in. You wouldn't buy a car without knowing how to drive it. I think the "right" dog for each person is dependent on the amount of time and commitment they want to put into it. If you've never been around dogs, I would think a good start would be one that's smart enough to train, but not smart enough to train you , medium size (easier to handle), and low to mid maintenance until you learn how to care for a dog.
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I'm sure that some breeds are easier to manage and are flexible enough to suit multiple lifestyles, but for the most part I think that regardless of the dog breed many new owners are just too unprepared for a dog, period. They get them for the wrong reasons, without much forethought: birthday present for their loved one, wants a puppy and is unprepared for puppy development, wants a puppy and is unprepared for adult size and energy level, wants to get two puppies so they will play together/be less lonely, wants an intimidating guard dog and encourages dangerous behaviors, wants a nice family dog without realizing that training is required even of "nice" breeds like labs/goldens, wants a pocket-dog because it will always be small and cute, "rescues" a dog from the shelter because they "fall in love" without considering their work schedule/yard size/children.

Too many people never do any research on what is best for the dog, out of ignorance or arrogance, and they fail to follow through with positive types of training. Training doesn't usually come into the vernacular until the dog does something "bad" and needs to be "taught a lesson."

Apologies, I am in a bit of a downer mood this morning and this is a bit of a rant. Beau is my first dog, first puppy, first Doberman. I did tons of research and planning prior to his arrival and am still learning new things all the time. Even after Beau I cannot imagine simply getting another dog without equal amounts of research and planning, regardless of the breed. When I talk to some other dog owners about it, particularly men, they tend to treat me like I should relax and "let them be dogs." That is the problem. Not the breed, not new owners, but the lack of acknowledgement that letting dogs "just be dogs" will probably not result in what is best for the dog, what is best for your household, and if you really want to take it there, what is best for the breed and the community as a whole. That's how we end up with fearful little yapping dogs, aggressive incidents, and unplanned litters. When I hear someone tell me to just "let them be dogs" I feel like they're really saying "I have no responsibilities as a dog owner." Okay, now that's off my chest. Time to give the monster her caffeine.
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I both agree and disagree that there are breeds that wouldn't be good for a first time owner.

It really depends on that owner's experience. If someone has an interest in say, Mals, and starts their research by going to an IPO club and is out there every weekend or more watching, helping set up, gaining knowledge and earning trust, maybe even helping work some dogs... well... maybe that's a first time owner that's prepared for a Mal.

I mean, even an "easy" first time breed can be, and ARE, majorly messed up by owners who are just not prepared for them. I can't tell you how many labs, goldens, and spaniels I know that are rude, bratty, and obnoxious. I can't tell you how many times I see someone with a FAT greyhound that never does more than walk around the block once a week, because they "feel bad for the poor dear" and wanted a low-maintenance dog that didn't bark or need walks or training. And there are soooooo many bratty little dogs, even breeds that were meant soley for companionship and no work.

Whenever someone asks what a good first dog would be if they're not sure how much work they're willing to put into a dog, I always recommend a calm senior heinz57 from the shelter, and if they want a particular breed I recommend they volunteer at a rescue or mentor under a breeder to find out if they really like that breed.


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