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Old 05-13-2008, 11:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation Caution for mushrooms

I got this from a Blue Doberman Yahoo Group

> ***PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST TO YOUR RESPECTIVE DOG LISTS & BEYOND****
>
> I'm not sure how I should start this off, but suffice to say that
> I hope
> that everyone learns from it, and that it NEVER happens to them.
>
> On Thursday this week, I came home as usual, put the 3 puppies I
> have here
> (Trace/Hannah/ Smartie) into their puppy pen so I could let the big
> dogs out
> to do their thing. As usual, after the big dogs were done, they all
> came
> into the house and I let the puppies out into the big yard to play and
> explore with me as I go around picking up poopies and sticks and
> stones
> before the lawn got cut. At 5:30pm as usual, I tell the puppies
> that it's
> supper time, and in I go to make up their dinner and they all
> follow me to
> the gate. I quickly answered (an OK typed) email to a prospective
> puppy
> client while the dinner is warming up, look out to the side yard,
> rap on the
> window and tell them to leave it (I thought it was white plastic)
> and come
> for dinner. This was a space in time of under 10 minutes. I go out
> to the
> gate, and as usual, Trace is sitting at the top of the stairs
> waiting for me
> and Smartie comes along staggering and whimpering and can't get up the
> stairs. I'm thinking sh*t, what is going on here, grab the 'phone,
> call my
> veterinarian, screaming at the gals that it was me and I was coming
> in, that
> I have a puppy crashing and putting Smartie into one kennel and
> Trace (who's
> fine by the way) into the other. I'm running around looking and
> calling for
> Hannah and I can't find her and not thinking that she was in
> trouble, I kept
> thinking she's escaped (although there is no open holes or anywhere to
> escape from). My clinic fones to tell me that the 'phones are being
> put onto
> pager, and I'm just screaming that I can't find the bitch and ask
> (I think
> it should be I told her ) to get Gywnne, my vet tech friend to wait
> by her
> cell and I'll 'phone when I hit the road. It took me what seem like
> hours,
> but only minutes to find Hannah, under the porch in a very dark
> place behind
> the lattice work and I just ripped the lattice work off, pulled her
> out and
> put her on the bed inside my truck, and hit the road. What usually
> takes me
> 40-45 minutes to drive, took me 16 minutes with my flashers on,
> high beams
> blinking at those stupid people that insist on driving in the
> passing lane,
> and horn blaring.
>
> I hit the back door of the clinic with a seizuring Hannah and Gwynne
> grabbed Smartie and we (I was helper only) prepped them for IV's
> with a
> quick assessement by my beloved veterinarian Al. This clinic is
> emergency
> trained and there was 3 techs, 1 runner, Al, and myself scrambling
> to get
> these puppies stablized. They were crashing and crashing fast.
> Protocol
> warrants Valium for seizuring dogs, so after a quick weigh on them,
> Valium
> was given to Hannah through the IV and whatever the prescribed
> amount was
> for her weight, a lesser amount of 0.5mgs (?) was given, and as
> they are
> working on Smartie, I'm with Hannah & Cathy (vet tech), and
> IMMEDIATELY she
> stops seizuring and her heartrate is going down fast and stops. Out
> comes
> the emerg kit, she's tubed and atrophine is administerd to bring
> her back
> and after a few minutes she comes back and appears to stabilize
> again. It is
> a given that her stomach needs pumping however at that moment in
> time it was
> impossible as they were trying to keep her alive. Smartie at that
> moment, is
> still with us and then I bring Trace in for assessment and he is
> fine (thank
> god for his food hound attributes, cause food is his life and
> thanks to his
> sire is probably why he is still alive)...... ..and then
>
> ......Smartie crashes..... ...
>
> When it finally appeared that things were settling down (a matter of
> minutes, not hours), Al wanted us (Gwynne & me) to go home, look
> for the
> cause and of course, Gwynne was to monitor the other dogs vitals,
> just in
> case. We looked around in the area where I had seen them playing
> for that
> brief moment and found mushrooms... .Gwynne called Al.......
>
> The pieces we found explained the small piece (the size of an
> eraser on
> the top of your pencil) that was pumped from Hannah's stomach. At
> that time,
> they were being monitored and appeared stable and much the same as
> when we
> left them. Within the hour (although my sense of timing by this
> time was
> gone), Al 'phoned and told me what was going on and that all his
> training,
> all his experience, all his energy, could not save these puppies
> and that
> the best thing would be to let them go. The decision was made to
> let them go
> as they were in a coma and being kept alive by machine and human
> hands.
> There was nothing else that could be done......they were just 4 months
> old........and so I let them go.
>
> So, from my tragedy, I hope you learn about these mushrooms. Of
> course, we
> can't have our dogs living in glass houses and not be allowed to be
> just......dogs. .....I have almost 6 acres of property and 1-1/2 is
> fenced
> for the dogs and the dogs DO NOT access the rest of the property. I
> clean up
> poop daily and pick up anything that looks or could look to be
> offensive to
> the dogs. What else can I do? I have never, in the 24 years of
> living on
> this property with puppies and/or adults, lost dogs to this. Of
> course, when
> poop scooping, like all of us, we get rid of mushrooms as we find
> them, as a
> precaution, but to have this happen is a shock.
>
> These particular mushrooms are not prevalent in this area. There
> is one
> school of thought that they appeared on Vancouver Island in
> '98....others
> say there are not on the Island. There is at least 2 species from
> what I
> learned in my research and it is not certain if these are the
> mushrooms I
> have found or not. When Gwynne and I were searching for the cause
> we found
> more and they were taken to the clinic for evaluation. I found 6 or
> 7 on the
> Friday, none on Saturday, and one today (Sunday). They are not
> dangerous in
> their button stage as juveniles as they haven't developed the
> spores to
> reproduce, but they will kill if ingested! Mushroom fanatics have died
> simply by touching them, cross contaminating them to their edible
> mushrooms
> and cooking those.
>
> When in the juvenile stage, they are pretty much white and level
> with the
> ground and they hide under vegetation which makes it difficult to
> find them.
> I have had to rake the area north to south and south to north, then
> east to
> west and west to east morning and late afternoon to try and find
> them. I
> have not found many more. They were in one general area where lots of
> sunlight hits the ground but with some low growing vegetation that
> keeps the
> ground moist. Every one I have found, save one, since the incident
> has been
> in it's juvenile stage so they won't be reproducing. Given time,
> they will
> be gone, but they could crop up again from the adults that had
> spores that I
> did find or that the puppies had eaten. When the Summer hits, they
> will go
> dormant and sometimes not always, reappear in the Fall.
>
> I have been in contact with a mushroom expert and I am awaiting his
> instructions. The pictures I have sent to him appear to be of one
> species
> and their odour is nauseating. The link I am providing
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Amanita_phalloid es is one of many. You
> may
> cross post to any dog lists or friends that you think may benefit
> from this
> or if any of you are involved in a dog magazine, you have
> permission to use
> this article along with my name.
>
> Finally, I would like to send out a HUGE THANKYOU to my clinic,
> Prevost
> Veterinary Clinic in Duncan, B.C. Canada, specifically Dr. Allan
> Longair,
> Cathy, Gwynne, & Erin (all 3 are Veterinary Techs) and Karen who
> was a big
> help in trying to keep me calm. They went above and beyond to save
> Hannah
> and Smartie.
>
> May the shamrocks fall softly you two......Darkenwald 's Lit'l Miss
> Sunshine (Hannah) and Darkenwald's Smartie Jones (Smartie); January
> 4th,
> 2008 to May 8th, 2008, exactly 4 months and almost to the hour when
> they
> came into this world, they left it. Someone said 'God musta wanted
> Hannah &
> Smartie back. When I figure out the reason why, I'll let you all
> know......
>
> Leslie Anne Davey
> Darkenwald Setters (1968) & K9 Clips(1988)
> Ladysmith on Vancouver Island
> Beautiful British Columbia, Canada setters@shaw. ca
>
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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WOW!! That is sooo sad!! Thanks for sharing and making us aware.... Dont know what we have up here in Washington but I am always on the lookout in my yard for things that my dogs should NOT be eating!! Just proves that you can never be too careful I guess....
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Here is a link that shows you a picture and description of the mushroom.
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Old 05-13-2008, 04:34 PM   #5 (permalink)
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toxic mushrooms are known to not be a good thing.just off subject,but at least on topic,of toxic plants,my moms dog runs had some goofy vining plant with purple flowers that produced green berries,turns red at maturity.the berries were aprox the size of a pea. they smelled like old vomit.dad jokingly called them ''dingleberries''(they are not tho,thats something else entirely.lol)rascal (collie) ate them,once,and seizured. i have no idea what they were, but made the dog very ill for at least a week.we then weeded them out and kept a look for them,so no one else ate them. does anyone know what they are. we are in central pa,in a valley area,with alot of leaf-baring/conifer mix forest.kinda look like they may be in the tomatoe family????
as for fungi/mushrooms,we get one that looks like a soccer ball. its mostly white-cream coloured,about grapefriut sized or a tad larger,looks like a ball,(round with no real stem)and turns to dust when kicked.no clue what it is or if toxic,but i steer clear with pets.we get a few of the toxic ones here also.we also had some lichen that is not good.it wont kill dog but your dog will most definatly puke.
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Thank you for sharing and educating all of us here on DT. It is a very scary thing to see a dog in this situation. I am always on the lookout for mushrooms on my 12 or so acres.
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toxic mushrooms are known to not be a good thing.just off subject,but at least on topic,of toxic plants,my moms dog runs had some goofy vining plant with purple flowers that produced green berries,turns red at maturity.the berries were aprox the size of a pea. they smelled like old vomit.dad jokingly called them ''dingleberries''(they are not tho,thats something else entirely.lol)rascal (collie) ate them,once,and seizured. i have no idea what they were, but made the dog very ill for at least a week.we then weeded them out and kept a look for them,so no one else ate them. does anyone know what they are. we are in central pa,in a valley area,with alot of leaf-baring/conifer mix forest.kinda look like they may be in the tomatoe family????
as for fungi/mushrooms,we get one that looks like a soccer ball. its mostly white-cream coloured,about grapefriut sized or a tad larger,looks like a ball,(round with no real stem)and turns to dust when kicked.no clue what it is or if toxic,but i steer clear with pets.we get a few of the toxic ones here also.we also had some lichen that is not good.it wont kill dog but your dog will most definatly puke.
I'm in Michigan and the vine you describe is nightshade. That stuff is a PITA to get rid of. Our neighbor has it rife within her yew bushes which are pushed right up against our chain link fence and I war w/it every year, particularly now since we have Nina(aka the goat).
If you can catch it before it turns to berries that is best. I've found that when the soil is dry straight vinegar is capable of frying it.
There are articles about nightshade having 100% germination from seed, and some frozen samples from decades past still have high germination rates!
I had to put weed block under a pine to keep from spending my whole life pulling that *hit up.


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