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Old 12-10-2012, 08:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello,

My name is Jenell. I have 2 doberman pups which are sisters. They are 10 weeks old. They just got thier ears cropped today and I was wonder if they need that elizabeth colar on. I have done lots a research before getting them cropped but this is one that seems to have mixed reviews on. I was thinking maybe they need it on cuz thier is two of them in case they try to play.

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Old 12-10-2012, 08:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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In my experiences with the cones, it really all depends on how they react to their ears... maybe keep them on for a few days and when they are not being supervised, but as long as they are not trying to tear them off or biting each other's ears, which is a very common trait of Dobermans, you should be fine.

Make sure if/when you do take the cone of to keep a close eye on both, they ears are fragile and still a bit painful for them, so the less things that will keep their minds on their newly cut ears, the better.


Also very beautiful babies! Keep an eye on same sex aggression as well since they are both females and liter mates.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Congratulations and good luck on the hardship ahead lol
Not one but two dobergirl pups! Theyre beautiful
The nails look a bit long to me though?
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Welcome and the girls are adorable.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Not just on same-sex aggression but, OP, you should also look into littermate syndrome. I'll try to find you some links on it.


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I think the collars would be more for them not to bother the ears themselves? When they can't be supervised I would have them apart just in case. They are beautiful! Also as others have said read up on littermates being raised together.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:36 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Not just on same-sex aggression but, OP, you should also look into littermate syndrome. I'll try to find you some links on it.


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Old 12-10-2012, 10:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Oh thank you for the info, I will keep them on for now, I have noticed since I have posted this they are occasionally trying to scratch at thiers ears, and I certanly don't want that. Also thanks for the info on litter mates/ same sex I will research that. I have never thought of that. I hope it is not an issue. By the way I forgot to mention thier names are Jetta (black/tan) and Brandie (Red/tan).
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Oh thank you for the info, I will keep them on for now, I have noticed since I have posted this they are occasionally trying to scratch at thiers ears, and I certanly don't want that. Also thanks for the info on litter mates/ same sex I will research that. I have never thought of that. I hope it is not an issue. By the way I forgot to mention thier names are Jetta (black/tan) and Brandie (Red/tan).
Most likely it will not be an issue with the same sex aggression, just keep a good eye on it!


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Welcome to the forum. I hate to be a downer, but I'd give some very, very serious thought to whether you should keep both girls. Littermate syndrome is pretty serious. I work in rescue and we've had several dogs surrendered because of it. Also, *one* Doberman puppy is a huge amount of work. Raising two of them is more than most people could handle, especially if you're working diligently to avoid littermate syndrome. I would seriously consider returning one of the pups to the breeder.
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I agree 100% with meadowcat! I personally will not take in a second puppy until my first is completely trained- at least 6 months, with a year+ being even better. I think there are very few people who are truly capable of handling 2 puppies at the same time, and no good breeder would ever allow it. Especially a strong willed breed like a Doberman..

And littermate syndrome is VERY real, and VERY serious. IF I were ever crazy enough to have 2 pups at once, they would NOT be related to eachother.
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And littermate syndrome is VERY real, and VERY serious. IF I were ever crazy enough to have 2 pups at once, they would NOT be related to eachother.
Just for information's sake, littermate syndrome really applies to any puppies of about the same age raised together, whether actually related or not.
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Just for information's sake, littermate syndrome really applies to any puppies of about the same age raised together, whether actually related or not.
Thank you- I really should have clarified that. While I do think that actual littermates may have more issues (at least that has been my experience with both cats and dogs) it really is the age that is the most important problem.
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Your babies are adorable and cute names. I haven't used e collar in the past but i haven't had two pups at once. They should be supervised at all times and not allowed to chew on each other. & it bears repeating that raising two puppies is not a good idea, for their own sake. When you raise 2, what happens is one dog ends up being "the bossy bully" & one the shy, wimp. That's not good. Each should be able to develop their own personality and be strong and confident. Also, issues with separation anxiety form bc they depend on each other so much. There are lots of other negative outcomes oflittermate syndrome that are devastating. Please re think this, for what's best fur the pups.
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We have never had to use the Eliz. collars on pups that were cropped. If they are scratching their ears so that they are injured, you more than likely have an infection. In rare cases would we use them and haven't ever to date. Take them off and see what happens. If they are playing too hard, seperate them. I've never had one hurt themselves. I think that is better than the collar.

For the first few days, we take tube socks and make a bonnet. Cutting the sock so it slips over the cup and ties under the chin. That protects the ear for a few days. After that we let them air and heal. They should be healed in no more than 10 days.

A big problem in having two pups is that they bond to each other instead of you and then, you have the problem of playing too rough with their posts. Always better to train one at a time and let the trained doberman help you if you want two.
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