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Old 02-16-2011, 08:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone

I am new to the forum, have had at least 8 dobies in the past and I was wondering if anyone has bought a dog from Tori Rei/Marcie Boyd. If so, have you had any problems with her dogs.
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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sorry, not familiar with those names. hope your pup is ok.
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No actually he isn't ok, everyone that bought from her 2007 litter has had problems, they have either had to have them put down because of severe aggression, Von Willibrands and Wobblers. We recently had to have ours put down because he attacked me then my husband and we were afraid he would go after our grandchildren. I also believe he had wobblers as he couldn't walk on a floor without carpeting without his rear legs going out from under him. I thought if someone else had a problem with her dogs from a different litter that it could be her breeding.
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No actually he isn't ok, everyone that bought from her 2007 litter has had problems, they have either had to have them put down because of severe aggression, Von Willibrands and Wobblers. We recently had to have ours put down because he attacked me then my husband and we were afraid he would go after our grandchildren. I also believe he had wobblers as he couldn't walk on a floor without carpeting without his rear legs going out from under him. I thought if someone else had a problem with her dogs from a different litter that it could be her breeding.
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Looks like a BYB to me, I can't find her lines on dobequest, also there no mention of pedigree or health testing what so ever, just that they looked into it. Seems she is just breeding family pets in the backyard whelping shed. I may be wrong, but, my bet would be it is her breeding.
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Holy crud! That website made me want to puke. Lucy has had 5 litters all by the same sire - they brag that their first bitch had 45 puppies! I just don't understand what is wrong with people who seem to think that their dogs owe them a living. I'm betting that dogs from them show up in rescues and shelters. JMHO
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I am very sorry to hear about your problems with your baby as well as the problems others have had. For that many problems to arise out of one litter I would say there is a major problem going on somewhere.

Looking at the web site I would say the problem is on going.
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We purchased a Doberman from the same 2007 liter from the breeder and we had to put him down in December 2010. He was Diagnosed with Juvenile Renal Failure Stage 3, VwD, Wobblers. He was only 3 1/2 yrs old it is sad to be down such a young pup. The breeder Tory Rei denied any claims that it was their fault or due to Genetics. I had an Ecropsy (Biopsy of Kidney) done showing the Renal Failure was when he was in utero (born). They will NOT stand by the contract and give us our money back nor even help with the bills. I rushed the dog to Cornell University ($3,500) to say he was dying of Kidney Disease. The breeder blamed us. They DO NOT and will not stand by their dogs.
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this thread makes me so sad, their website really says nothing, so nice they have a 12 year old bitch, but there was nothing to show that she should have ever been bred and looks like it always to the same dog.
there are good breeders out there, you just have to look around and use the resources available to you.
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Hi, I am also new to this forum. I joined because of some of the things I just read online about Marcie Boyd. I have one of her Dobs, a red male from the 2005 litter of her Sunshine Rose and a Euro male imported from Latvia, a Baltic country. I purchased from her because I wanted the healthiest dog available. The Breeder from Latvia was and is still one of the top breeders in E Europe. The Euro dobs also have less health issues than the US breed. I have become personally friendly with that breeder over the past several years. I purchased my dob at 10 weeks old and he was shipped to my then home in Massachusetts. My transaction with Marcie was without problems.
She was always friendly and helpful. I have talked to her several dozen times over the past 5 years and I consider her an extended friend. She has always been available and very helpful.
Today I read a comment that she was the worst breeder ever. I tried to follow the link, but it was not avaiable. And another condemning her because one of her female had 45 puppies....... I am no a breeder or a vet, I have had 5 dobermans in my life, but I believe these puppies were the outcome of 4 litters.... Is that too many litters for one female? Don't know ...... Expecially if the female is owned by a breeder .... That's what they do ......
Of course I'll be contacting Marcia about this. I had not heard of any problems with the 2007 litter ... If in fact these problems are true, I wish the best to the folks involved ....
Does anyone know or have any of the puppies from the 2005 litter? I'd be interested to know if they are having any problems. As for my red Tori Rey Dob. He is in perfect health. Please contact me if you know of or are involved with this situation.
Thanks ......

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Old 06-21-2011, 09:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I have a dog from the Casey/Lucy 2007 litter, and while in many ways he is an awesome working dog, he has some issues with aggression, unprovoked. hasn't hurt anyone, but has nipped several people. not happy with his temperament
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What is with the funky chest markings?

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oh goodness those chest markings, oh goodness! Good luck everyone, no reputable breeder would breed dobes with those markings and thats the first thing I'll say.
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I'm sorry, but those are some very sad looking dobermans. Seem to be way too wide in the front, you could park a Mac truck between those front legs, poor toplines and the markings...yuck. Makes me cry to think this breeder actually thinks they are producing nice dogs.....
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We were looking for a dobe and found my baby in the D&C, Jan. 2011. The older couple had purchased her from Tory-Rei and after 4 months couldn't handle her. When we went to her house to pick this little girl up, she would not come out from under the table. I thought with lots of love and work she would get beyond her fear. This breeder has unstable litters. After much research I have found that mixing European with American lines creates and unstable dobe. As for my girl coming from Tory-Rei - they BUTCHERED her ear when they cropped her, it now flops. Which I find adorable, but not the point. She is afraid of everything and shows aggression both in equal amounts. As I am trying to get to some root causes and trying to get her some help for her severe anxiety and aggression I have found that she came from that final litter of Casey/Lucy on Sept. 19, 2010. I would be interested to know if anyone else has a puppy from that same litter and has had the same behavioral issues. At this point, we haven't found any serious physical issues as I have heard from other posts regarding these litters - and god I hope not. She is Just 2 1/2 now so I guess we wait and see. I cannot imagine losing her at such a young age.
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oh goodness those chest markings, oh goodness! Good luck everyone, no reputable breeder would breed dobes with those markings and thats the first thing I'll say.
After initially being told by numerous people on this forum that my dog, Zora, was "not a doberman" despite having the epitome of the Doberman stance/shape/build etc. (27.5" @ whithers & 73.5 lbs no fat female) because of her markings I did some research. The MSPCA I adopted her from had lost some of her original paperwork when she came in, and I think that was by design because her front left leg was busted. Anyhow they did give me a DNA test that showed Doberman breed, as she grew into her body and lightened up some in color around the face and chest, I was curious if she had something else in her - so I went to a Vet and had another DNA test done, same thing - Doberman. Fast forward she is now 2 years 7 months old fully grown and looks/acts Doberman aside from the light markings on chest/and the tan creeps up further on he legs.

My wife was looking through some photos of dobermans on the internet and came by the tory reid site, some of their pics look nearly identical to Zora, so she called them and inquired about them. She said she bred red and black/tans together and mixed euro/american dobies together and the result was some were "miss-marked" and that was less desireable but that the dogs were fine.

Zora has no health problems thus far (knock on wood), but in regards to her having bad markings, I think as much fault goes to the bad breeders as it does to the breed snobs who would look at a dog that is an anomaly and say "that's not a doberman" despite the fact that genetically it is, and regardless of breed is a wonderful dog. The people who will only buy dogs from breeders or "reputable" breeders basically perpetuate the problems as well.

ANyhow, I hope after reading this about tory-reid that she doesn't have any health problems, but like I said she seems fine. And the SPCA did confirm that is where she originated, and the reason the information wasn't initially disclosed was they were worried that whomever adopted zora would have ill-will to the people who dropped her off at the SPCA w/ a busted leg, so they wanted to remain anonymous.
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I'm confused by your post Zora-owner.
What "problems" are being perpetuated by people who only buy from a reputable breeder?
What you were told about Euro/American breeding producing "miss-marked" Dobes is nonsense.
And I looked back on the comments made to you about Zora. They were all very nice.
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I'm confused by your post Zora-owner.
What "problems" are being perpetuated by people who only buy from a reputable breeder?
What you were told about Euro/American breeding producing "miss-marked" Dobes is nonsense.
And I looked back on the comments made to you about Zora. They were all very nice.
Then what is it that caused the dobermans bred by tory reid, for example, to be miss-marked? How is that nonsense exactly? Are you saying that genetic abnormalities do not occur w/ poor breeding?

"Problems" being that if a dog is not of perfect proportions, coloring, markings, etc. it is not a "purebred" or is worthless, therefore being discarded and/or never given a proper home because it is not seen as worthy. Then you continually breed within certain stringent parameters resulting in dogs that have narrow gene pools escalating the chances of health problems. Obviously you're aware this is why "cross breeds" like schnoodles, labradoodles etc. come about.

Anyhow, what bothered me about it was how people would turn their nose up at a dog that, despite being a "Purebred" may be a runt, poorly marked, etc. and is then neglected and ends up in a shelter rather than a good home.

This may come off as more confrontational than I really am being due to text vs. actual verbage.
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ah, no, the "doodles" came from people wanting hypoallergenic versions of popular dog breeds. they're still mutts and none (or very, very few) are actually hypoallergenic.

idiot buyers perpetuated the perceived need.
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...She said she bred red and black/tans together and mixed euro/american dobies together and the result was some were "miss-marked" and that was less desireable but that the dogs were fine....
Breeding a red to a black, or a Euro to an American, or both, does not guaranteed miss-marked puppies if the two dogs being bred both fit in the breed standard. Sure, it will happen from time to time but that's just genetics. Again, it's not a guarantee.

Now, if you're breeding miss-marked and poorly bred dogs to miss-marked and poorly bred dogs than you are very likely to see that in puppies.
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Please excuse my ignorance...what do you mean by mis-marked? Too light, too dark tan...too much tan etc? I have only had dobes for pet so have never really paid any attention to markings as such...is that bad?!


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