robinb

You being the alpha has little to do with two male dobermans co-existing peacefully in a household. Like I said in a previous post you got real lucky with your other two males. It's sure not something I would ever do and all the good breeder's I know wouldn't even place two littermates, much less two male littermates, in the same household! I'm not a breeder, I have no axe to grind here, just 35 years of experience with the breed. One other point for you to ponder is Dobe rescues all over the country have dogs in rescue from people trying to do the samething you are. Chances are that the pups will be fine for the first 18-24 months, then watch out.

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I heard the same warning with my first pair many times. I couldn't understand it because I never had a single problem.

Here is where a pic of the pups are: http://www.dobermantalk.com/gallery/...hp?i=8182&c=19

DLS

WOW, that is a big ltter! Nice healthy looking pups. Mom looks to have lots of milk for them. I would LOVE to know more about the litter. A passion of mine is studying pedigrees.

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Beautiful healthy looking pups.
Good luck with your decision.
Post some pics when the boys come home.
Are you getting one of each colour or both the same, and have you picked names yet?
Welcome to DT
Okay lets not beat the newcomer down, he didn't ask for the info he was saying hi.
Point made on our beliefs no need to ram it in any further.
We know nothing of his past with dogs or titles etc.
I also find it interesting how breeders think they are the only ones entitled to two males and or think they can do it.
I personally would not have two pups male or females together I don't have the time.
Nor would I have two males I don't have the experience.
There are other members who have more than one male and more than one pup or just shy of a few months. They are experienced and have the house set up to do so.
Let's not assume the man knows nothing. John also has a back up plan if it doesn't work out. That has also happened on DT with other members.

JohnMH

One Black and one Blue

I don't know about the names yet, I can't think what would be good yet without holding them first. These dogs will not be for show, just nice dogs that get to enjoy life. Like my last two.

velmadobe

well you know that the eons of experience that are talking to you here are not just blowing hot air, but I can see that once again we will get blown off. I can't tell you how pissed off I get when I hear of breeders/greeders that will sell two littermates to someone - and two males to boot.

I've been involved in Doberman rescue for about 7 years now, and have had Dobermans for 16 years .... can't tell you how many male Dobermans have been dumped because of the scenero you are bound and determined to do.

I and others are well acquanted with the heartache of someone who has to either rehome one of their males or bury one after a fight to the death. But you know, we just don't know anything.

My advice to you would to make sure you have a back up plan because there is a 75% chance that at some point you will end up with two males that will hate each other..... it may not be till they are well into maturity. It is just the nature of our breed.

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This is a litter advertised on Garrett's Doberman puppies web site. She is the one who had the litter a year or so ago with the off colored fawns. AKC took their registration away till further testing could be done. Nothing else was ever said but the dam of that litter was retired from breeding. Laura Garrett (of Texas) is a puppy broker. She finds other "breeders" and sells their puppies on her website and makes a little money on the side by doing this. She started out with a bitch from Kimbertall, bred her 3 times, kept Scarlett from the last litter and bred her a couple times (with more to come). The sire of these puppies is from one of her litters. The dam is from another "breeder" she helps sell puppies for. You can look at their website and see all of the photos etc of their dogs. She does no health testing, doesn't x-ray hips. She brags about how well her dogs get along with kids and thats what they breed for. She sold two males a while back to a family with two young boys. Each boy got a puppy. I hope and pray that nothing ever happens and those boys don't get hurt. She has been warned time and time again about selling two males together. She just says "well I guess your dobermans don't have temperaments like ours". She herself does not own a male so I don't know how she knows how two adult males get along. The male she bred everything to for a while dropped dead last year. Now they are going on with their pet breeding. They do not require new owners to spay or neuter. She also sells her dilutes for a much higher price than her blacks and reds. Blacks are cheapest, then reds. Blues and fawns are $1,600 I believe. Because they are rare, the demand is great and they don't get them often so she charges more for these dogs who will more than likely be bald in a few years. She just doesn't get it. She contacted us about breeding one of her bitches a few years ago. Yeah right...... My cropping vet does ears for her.
And it all started with her bitch from Kimbertall.......

waiting

Thanks for the information on this BYB, good to know for future puppy buyers to stay away from. John it seems you have even more in the package deal to contend with. If past information can't steer you away from two males which is obviously your decision, how about at least considering a different breeder. I know you didn't ask that either but oh my she is a corker this one.

robinb

Thanks Jana, I was wondering who the breeder was, no surprise there!

John, if you become involved in the breed you will find it's the responsible breeder's and even just people like myself that either do the work or contribute financially, or both, to make rescue work. So when idiot breeders do things like this it hits pretty close to home for some of us.

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Hi John, welcome to the forum.

I'm sure you have got more than you bargained for in your intro thread, but please know that these members are very experienced Doberman owners and breeders, and are only trying to help you avoid a potentially disasterous situation down the road. We are not trying to rain on your parade or anything like that - just trying to provide you with crucial informaiton that may save you a lot of heartache later.

Please consider what these people have told you - and by all means, please do your own research on Doberman male on male aggression. You will find a lot of info about it - its a commonly discussed topic in which many people like yourself think they are the exception to the rule, only to come home and discover a dead dog one day out of the blue. It can and does happen - even when the males live together peacefully for years and years. Add in the fact that they are unneutered and littermates, and that is upping the probability of having a problem. It's good you have a back up plan, but sometimes all it takes it one fight to result in serious or fatal injury.

No one can tell you what to do, but please stick around and do some reading. Our members are very knowledgeable and genuinely care about the breed and the people that own and love them

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