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Old 01-24-2013, 05:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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When is rough play too rough

It's been a bit of a long cold snap here in MN for about a week and the dobes are very restless. I have an oversized 9 month old boy, he has to be 85 lbs now and a normal size dainty 20 month old girl about 70 lbs, but she can hold her own quite well. They have always played a bit rough especially since the girl seems to be a bit impervious to pain and we didn't figure that out until it was probably too late. If she yelps out then we know it must have hurt. The boy is a big whimp, you can look at him the wrong way and he yelps!

I know they have to be getting tired of each other by now, we usually exercise them separately but because of the weather they have only had each other. Lately it seems the playing has been rougher (or maybe they are getting on my nerves also) and I'm curious if there is a way to describe what is too rough?

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To me, you know it when you see it. For Odin it depends on the other dog he is playing with. With my sister in laws GSD they can play quite rough, but it is ok, they know when to stop. With my in-laws Labradoodle, I need to monitor it when it gets to get rough.


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It took me 2 solid months, to train Kelly pup...soft bite / muzzle control.
- I directed her to bite Dad's hand only, while MOM was off limits..and never any arms/ankles/legs
Then I woke up one morning (with cut hands), so Kelly's biting days was finally over...LOL...and it worked.
A month later, she was soft biting me, but now very play gentle....just starts with a foundation.
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when Chuck starts bouncing off the couch and roughhousing with Pearl I let em go wild...............until I have had enough of it.

Then I let them know that roughhousing is over for now.

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When is rough play too rough

So is lip curling, teeth clanging and vocalization okay?

This poor quality video is last night...late..it had been going on non stop for several minutes. I would then stop it (especially when the curtains were torn down - accidentally). I couldn't get laundry done and this is when they are usually sleeping, but breaking them up and calming them seems to get harder. They continued off and on until I finally separated them mainly because my SO was trying o sleep and they were ignoring me.




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I don't worry as long as they aren't hurting each other, and both want to continue the play. If they are annoying you, though, it's fine to teach them "enough" or "settle" so they know playtime is over. Mine play very rough; people I know who haven't seen Dobes play think they are trying to murder each other
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Only watched the first one but it looks like totally normal play to me...two energetic young dogs.
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Yes it looks like normal play to me. Coco and her bestie Scarlet play rough. Scarlet is a cute little, dainty red female that sounds like a demon when she plays with Coco. Scar constantly runs around with permanent bitey face to get Coco wherever and whenever she can. When Coco lies down to take a break Scar playbows and barks in her face or jumps on her head lol. What lovely ladies we have!
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when Chuck starts bouncing off the couch and roughhousing with Pearl I let em go wild...............until I have had enough of it.

Then I let them know that roughhousing is over for now.

See, mine do the same thing, they ping pong off the couch!


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I don't worry as long as they aren't hurting each other, and both want to continue the play. If they are annoying you, though, it's fine to teach them "enough" or "settle" so they know playtime is over. Mine play very rough; people I know who haven't seen Dobes play think they are trying to murder each other
First time I've had a male and first time I've had two Dobes at once. Do you think they will always get along?


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I personally think a male/female pair is best. The female rules and the male gets bossed around My Simon and Shanoa were a great pair, and so far Shanoa and Richter do fantastic. I love having two. I think all multi-dog households probably have an occasional tiff, but nothing to worry about.
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Yes it looks like normal play to me. Coco and her bestie Scarlet play rough. Scarlet is a cute little, dainty red female that sounds like a demon when she plays with Coco. Scar constantly runs around with permanent bitey face to get Coco wherever and whenever she can. When Coco lies down to take a break Scar playbows and barks in her face or jumps on her head lol. What lovely ladies we have!
I swear the girls are the worse! Huckleberry will stop,lay down, go to sleep and Calamity will stalk him from across the house and then smack him with both feet full force out of his sleep. But put her outside in the cold or wet and she tip toes like she is going to melt, SMDH.

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I completely agree. Tessa dominates Ben and that's evident in their play as well. She curls her lip, shows teeth, growls, puts her head over his back, mounts him, etc and they're fine.

There are occasions when her vocalizations change a bit and I've learned over time that she's ramping up, but a sharp "Hey!" always does the trick. I can yell it from across the house or yard and she snaps out of it.

They've only fought once and that was over Ben's Kong (even though she had her own right in front of her but because she's an alpha, she takes whatever she wants from him) and I was able to break them up with that voice command.

It might have been a bit harder to break up if they were two of the same sex as those combinations seem to be more hormonally charged.

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Ohhh yea!! Now if I could just find a secluded field so they can run together!

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I agree looks normal. When Kyrah was playing too rough it was more her pinning the other dog down by the neck. Seems yours are giving and taking. When Kyrah & Dexter play I watch closely b/c of the size difference. I can tell when Kyrah is getting too rough just by her focus on him now. When one of them is not in the mood to play or is done and the other is trying seems they come to me like telling on each other. S/he wont leave me alone. Personally I would practice teaching them "enough" that it stops when you say or can only start when you say. Dont get me wrong I do let them initiate their own play and stop when they want but I can also control it if I want to.
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I was thinking about advertising on Craigslist. There has to be someone with an old pasture they don't use anymore that we could rent, borrow, or trade a couple days a week. I just don't know what section and if it would be worth asking.


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I agree looks normal. When Kyrah was playing too rough it was more her pinning the other dog down by the neck. Seems yours are giving and taking. When Kyrah & Dexter play I watch closely b/c of the size difference. I can tell when Kyrah is getting too rough just by her focus on him now. When one of them is not in the mood to play or is done and the other is trying seems they come to me like telling on each other. S/he wont leave me alone. Personally I would practice teaching them "enough" that it stops when you say or can only start when you say. Dont get me wrong I do let them initiate their own play and stop when they want but I can also control it if I want to.
Getting their attention to break it up has been tough lately, "enough" isn't working like it use to. Guess I need to go back to the basics and get the treats back out. Thanks Herb!


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Yep! After I posted this. Little terds, Kyrah & Dexter, this morning were outside and Kyrah was getting to rough and Dexer giving it his all! I knew they needed a break. They blew me off! Jumped up out of the first break up sit and took off!! It did cross my mind to just let it go but remembered what I had just advised you. So I didnt stop till I had them both sitting and walking away with me in my robe and rubber boots! So thank you for keeping me consistent!
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I've thought about that With Shanoa, it HAS to be securely fenced with no other animals, so it's tougher. I was super lucky to find a fenced area up here that isn't locked and isn't used, so I do take her there occasionally. It's easier now that she's a bit older, and doesn't need as much intense exercise as she used to.
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I was hoping to find some sort of out of business farm or something, big hopes! Living in the city, grrr. I don't think Calamity needs as much but when she gets it, it's still pretty intense.


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