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Old 01-10-2013, 02:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A few basic commands w/14wk Kevin

Heres a short video link I shot for the breeder today of Kevin's progress. He's 14 weeks old right now and knows (in Russian) sit, down, focus (on my eyes), stand, stay, come, kennel, bite, out, jump, and target. This is one of the first times that he successfully made it through all those commands without being distracted and walking away. The last command, stand, he learned today. Im out of the shot, but all commands are associated with a hand gesture as well as a verbal and I use "YES" as my "clicker" to mark the correct action. clickers are great, but they are just one more thing to carry and phase out as you go.

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Old 01-10-2013, 11:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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What do you want to do with your future puppy? Personally I don't care for the level of pressure the puppy is showing in the down or the volume or tone used in commands. The level of praise is very good. I don't want this much in a young puppy. when my older puppies/young dog shows this much pressure then I have to worry about going back for a long time to bring the expression back. I have reached that level and I can tell you to bring expression into it takes more work than what it took for the dog to learn the stuff in the first place. If you are just training a pet its not a big deal. If you want an expressive working dog it is a very big deal.

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Old 01-10-2013, 12:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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What do you want to do with your future puppy? Personally I don't care for the level of pressure the puppy is showing in the down or the volume or tone used in commands. The level of praise is very good. I don't want this much in a young puppy. when my older puppies/young dog shows this much pressure then I have to worry about going back for a long time to bring the expression back. I have reached that level and I can tell you to bring expression into it takes more work than what it took for the dog to learn the stuff in the first place. If you are just training a pet its not a big deal. If you want an expressive working dog it is a very big deal.
He is going to be my PSD and mobility service dog when he is older. Im thinking of doing schutzhund with him and SAR if I can find a place to do the training with. The Tampa area doesnt seem to have any SAR clubs or real training facilities (if you search you will find a guy name Ingrahm but Ive met him and seen his dogs and its a joke).

Im not exactly sure what you mean by pressure and expressive. He loves training and working with me in public and everything we do together. He lets me know when he gets bored and wants to stop training too. So I dont think Im putting too much pressure on him.

This was one of the first times I have combined that many commands too. Usually he gets treated and praised after each task. Im also only out to 15 or so seconds on his focus command and the stay command. This is my first time really working with a dog though (my boxers are my pets and know tricks, but I never really did a regimine of training with them for a purpose). Im taking all the advice I can get and doing all the research I can on how to do this stuff right. If you could please explain what you mean, Id appreciate it. Thanks!
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I personally would want to see a bit more exuberance a tiny bit less "reluctance" - although with the down it might have been him being unsure vs pressure (hope that makes sense).

Also I stop training before they get bored or 'tell me' - always keep them wanting more.

I can't find a young good puppy video only an adult one, but I look for this kind of attitude
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He is going to be my PSD and mobility service dog when he is older. Im thinking of doing schutzhund with him and SAR if I can find a place to do the training with. The Tampa area doesnt seem to have any SAR clubs or real training facilities (if you search you will find a guy name Ingrahm but Ive met him and seen his dogs and its a joke).

Im not exactly sure what you mean by pressure and expressive. He loves training and working with me in public and everything we do together. He lets me know when he gets bored and wants to stop training too. So I dont think Im putting too much pressure on him.

This was one of the first times I have combined that many commands too. Usually he gets treated and praised after each task. Im also only out to 15 or so seconds on his focus command and the stay command. This is my first time really working with a dog though (my boxers are my pets and know tricks, but I never really did a regimine of training with them for a purpose). Im taking all the advice I can get and doing all the research I can on how to do this stuff right. If you could please explain what you mean, Id appreciate it. Thanks!
Like Adara stated you want to see exuberance in a puppy/future working dog, or at least intense anticipation in a puppy. This is especially true if you desire to do Schutzhund with him. In Schutzhund the dogs are scored on technique, speed of the exercise and expression (intensity, focus and happy look) as a final picture. If you want to do this kind of work in the future the bottom line is, at least in my opinion, you are asking him to do too much, too early. At this point the main rewards should be food and given often with the marker. Tone of voice should be calm, with a little excitement, which breeds anticipation. Asking him to do too much results in a bit of reluctance in the exercise. This is what I saw in the down. Your tone of voice is too commanding for a puppy this age. Be calmer, happier and more food. The tone should be closer (but not quite there) to when you verbally praised him. Remember a dog will willingly go from discomfort to comfort but will not willingly go from comfort to discomfort. At this point in training you want a puppy to want to work to get a reward not because you are making him do it. Otherwise you will get compliance only and the end picture is of a dog that looks dull in the work.
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