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Old 12-19-2012, 12:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My girl riot was purchased from a byb and while I met the parents and they were friendly and happy dogs riot has always been a shy reserved dog since a puppy.
I took her into the pet store at least 1-2x a week to socialize but she never really wanted attention. I figured she would kind of grow out of it. She is now 15 months old has completed 2 heat cycles and little has changed about her behaviour. I stopped taking her to the pet store because it diddnt seem to be making much of a difference and with her being so fearful of most people (and kids) and dogs I was afraid she would bite.
She also seems to be kind of unsettled I guess you could say or high strung?
If blocked off by herself she will stare and just stand there walk around and stare. She almost never lays down, she will just keep doing that. If she doesn't have something she likes to lay on (cushy dog bed or couch) she will do the state and just walk around like she doesn't know what to do with herself.
I'm not sure what to do with her, it a very long time for her to get used to one of my female friends but is still very wary around men. I think she could be fear aggressive but has not actually bitten. I do not want it to get any worse.
I have considered putting her to sleep as this kind of behaviour I do not tolerate...
I only know of one training club but it's just obedience so not much of a help there. What do you guys think?
I work nearly full time so I would only be able to take her and probably leave her at the facility..

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Old 12-19-2012, 02:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
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She needs obedience, needs to be spayed, needs to have exercise. Have had a trainer evaluate her a trainer use to working with working dogs not a crank & yank trainer. A trainer that uses positive training methods with treats and praise is best.Good Luck
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I'd be tempted (as long as the trainer agrees) to go to a beginner obedience course with her.

The one I took talked about behavior & did a lot more than just teach sit & stay. (I took the beginner course even though Chanel was an adult & had been trained - just to help me with commands & expectations.) One of the dogs in our course was fear reactive & the trainer ran a one day course for 5 dogs that she knew were having problems - it wasn't advertised, the only way to find out about it was to be in the loop.

It would also be good for her to have that one-on-one focus on you & the trainer might have suggestions about dealing with the shyness & possible fear aggression.
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Sorry to hear you are having this problems - My first question is what does the breeder say. They are usually your best resource if they are good.

Second it does not sound like normal behavior at all - it even sounds like she could have some neurological problems going on. I would have her check out first by your vet and then by a chiropractor just to cover all the basis.

The worse decisions is to stop the socializing - they can never get better if you are not persistent. If she does not have nuerologial problems then find a good trainer. If you talked to try to reasssure her it actually aggravated the problem. Take her to pet smart and just sit on the bench with her for a few days for at least a hour each time. Just sit there and make her sit there and let her just observe. Don't talk to her. She can get up and smell if she wants but if she tries anything just ask her to sit and calm down again. Don't talk to her except to give a one word command.

After a week of this then take her inside the store and just stand at the door - then walk back out. Take her in and out for a few days until she is calm with it. In other words train her in small increments.
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She is pretty decent on obedience. Not rally quality but knows commands. Just doesn't seem comfortable doing them. When she wants on the couch after she's been on it and I tell her off she will get off but do the routine I stated earlier. Stand there/ wonder around lay down then get up and try to get on the couch. It's like she forgets.
Breeder wasn't really of any help...
I used to do that, take her into the store. Sometimes she would react decent others just scared.. It wasn't changing and she wasnt getting any better by it. I actually met a trainer inthere and she offered to work with her inthere a little but. She would take the treat cause she is very food motivated(actually eats very fast and is crazy for food)
But she doesn't want contact with people. My GSD was like that as a pup so I went through that but it just doesn't seem to work with her...
The training class I figured would be pointless if it's the same as it was 10 years ago.. They have one day a week then you work on it at home. She knows basic ob already I dont know it would benefit...


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Also did the clicker route as well she knows it means treat but still very wary of poeple.
But she is completely stable around any noise/bang/crack. (fireworks/sirens)
She will run on treadmill as well.
Tried tiring her out before per store, still no difference. I've tried a lot of things...


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She should be spayed, PTS isnt really an option shes young she could just be going through an awkward stage. I would have her evaluated by a behaviorist and obedience. Is she getting positive reenforcement? Also I would t give up on trying to socialize her just make sure your doing it positively. I live in a house where I have three reactive dogs whom are reactive to three different things though ive worked with them numerous times to try and counter these behaviors they look like theyll be stuck in them for life. Just keep trying shes still young she will prolly break the phase unless a behaviorist says otherwise (neurological etc.)


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I have considered putting her to sleep as this kind of behaviour I do not tolerate...

Others who know more can chime in, but I think of fearful dogs almost more as that is their personality rather than a bad behavior. I think you can train some of it out of them, but I also think for many fearful dogs it will just be a matter of managing. I had a fear aggressive dog once (and I do mean aggressive) and we had to set up our environment totally different so he could be happy. We worked with trainers and got him as far along as we could, then we managed. Rather than putting her to sleep you might need to get her as good as you can with the help of professionals, then accept her for what she is and is not. My dog had to be crated when company came over, and he rode everywhere in the car but did not go in stores or pretty much around people. He loved playing with other dogs so I did set up playdates at our house to keep him happy. He was certainly not the dog I imagined I would get, but he was who I got.

Does she act aggressive toward people, or just tries to avoid them? I don't feel it is necessary for everybody to pet my dog if he doesn't want to be pet. In general Ruki loves attention if we are at my house, but when we walk through the pet store he totally ignores people, which doesn't bother me. That said, he isn't at all fearful, just typical GSD aloof.
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She has been this way since 14 weeks old. As a puppy she growled at the vet who cropped her ears. It sadly does to seem to be her temperament



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I live with a reactive, fearful dog. She's improved dramatically, but she is who she is. I've had to let go of some of my dreams and expectations, but in doing so we've found other ways that she can be successful and things that we can do together. It is certainly a challenge, sometimes, but the successes, to me, are even sweeter because I know how hard it is. I've also accepted her limitations. Much of our life is about management; managing my expectations of her, managing her environment to set her up to be successful. I also have a wonderful support system - we work with a veterinary behaviorist at the University of Minnesota, and a network of trainers. I couldn't do it without them.

I really, really recommend you connect with a veterinary behaviorist. They are best equipped to help you.
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I would find a trainer/behaviorist that can work with BAT or Control Unleashed.

Going to the pet store and hanging out, then finally going in does work with dogs who aren't quite that fearful

The BAT and CU techniques work with fearful dogs. For BAT, her reward is going AWAY from the scary person. It is an amazing technique. You do not do any forcing/flooding but work under her threshold. And maybe HER goal isn't to hang out IN a pet store, but learn to be more comfortable in general.
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