Calming an aggressive dobe on leash. - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums

General Training & Obedience All training and obedience questions, tips, articles go here

DobermanTalk.com is the premier Doberman Dog Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-06-2012, 02:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
Admiral's Dad
 
Posts: 2
Location: San Francisco
Dogs Name: Admiral
Dogs Age: 18 Months
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Admiral's Dad's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Admiral's Dad is on a distinguished road
Calming an aggressive dobe on leash.

Fellow Doberman Owners,

Our pup is just turning 18 months old and he is calming down a lot, but he still has a huge play drive. When we are walking on leash he is very bad about getting worked up when another dog is approaching. He will respond very well to my commands to sit and wait while the dog approaches, but once the dog is very near, Admiral will often lunge out towards the dog in a burst of Doberman energy and let out a bark or two, tail wiggling furiously.

It is very clear to me that this is aggressive but not at all vicious. He wants to greet and play with the other dog, but it often frightens the other dog owner (and usually sending their dog into a play frenzy even if the other dog was very calm before).

I respond by apologizing to the other owner controlling him with a hand on his muzzle, putting him back in a sit while speaking very firmly, then putting him in a down and making him wait. He is very good about all that.

I have considered keeping a bitter spray bottle on hand to spritz him on the back when he is in the act of lunging, but I was wondeing if anyone else had any advice for how to combat this behavior.

He can pass every other element of the AKC Canine Good Citizen test, but this one is quite a challenge.

Thank you!

A Frequently Embarrased Dober-Dad.
Admiral's Dad is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Dec 2012
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 12-06-2012, 02:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
Alpha
 
lestat1978's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,486
Location: Western PA
Dogs Name: DDR's Grand Prince of Rescue - "Ivan" & StoneFly's Great Expectations - "Maiya"
Titles: Ivan - AKC S.T.A.R. Puppy, CGC, CA : Maiya - AKC S.T.A.R. Puppy, CGC
Dogs Age: 3 years & 1 year
Gallery Pics: 82
Visit lestat1978's Gallery
Thanks: 428
Thanked 4,408 Times in 1,050 Posts
Images: 82
lestat1978 has a reputation beyond reputelestat1978 has a reputation beyond reputelestat1978 has a reputation beyond reputelestat1978 has a reputation beyond reputelestat1978 has a reputation beyond reputelestat1978 has a reputation beyond reputelestat1978 has a reputation beyond reputelestat1978 has a reputation beyond reputelestat1978 has a reputation beyond reputelestat1978 has a reputation beyond reputelestat1978 has a reputation beyond repute
Does your dog know "Leave It?"
__________________

Canine Aided Emergency Search and Rescue (CAESAR)
lestat1978 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Oct 2010
The Following User Says Thank You to lestat1978 For This Useful Post:
dobermama (12-06-2012)
Old 12-06-2012, 04:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
Admiral's Dad
 
Posts: 2
Location: San Francisco
Dogs Name: Admiral
Dogs Age: 18 Months
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Admiral's Dad's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Admiral's Dad is on a distinguished road
Leave it

Quote:
Originally Posted by lestat1978 View Post
Does your dog know "Leave It?"
Yes, he does.
Admiral's Dad is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Dec 2012
Old 12-06-2012, 04:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Adara's Avatar
 
Posts: 9,423
Location: Sacramento, CA
Dogs Name: Flirt Dobe; Gabby Havoc and Envy - Vizslas
Titles: Flirt, OA, NAJ, NF Gabby Ch JH NA OAJ NF NJP - Havoc, GCH, JH OA OAJ , Envy CH, JH, RN, CGC, TDI
Dogs Age: 7, 11, 5, 1.5
Gallery Pics: 6
Visit Adara's Gallery
Thanks: 18,337
Thanked 24,665 Times in 7,223 Posts
Images: 6
Adara has a reputation beyond reputeAdara has a reputation beyond reputeAdara has a reputation beyond reputeAdara has a reputation beyond reputeAdara has a reputation beyond reputeAdara has a reputation beyond reputeAdara has a reputation beyond reputeAdara has a reputation beyond reputeAdara has a reputation beyond reputeAdara has a reputation beyond reputeAdara has a reputation beyond repute
I would take an alternate approach vs correcting and show him what to do. I'd find a good trainer to show you how to desensitize, countercondition, work under threshold, maybe do control unleashed or behavior adjustment training. The correction may make him be quiet but it won't fix WHY he's doing the behavior. It won't necessarily make him any "calmer" inside his head so to speak.
__________________
Colleen
Flirt, ADAMAS All the Girls Do It, OA, NAJ, NF, CL2-F, CL2-H
Gabby, Ch Gold Run's Token of Rumor, JH, NA, OAJ, NF, NJP, CL2,CL3-H, CL3-F Vizsla
Havoc, BISS GCh HRQ Guess Who's In Trouble, JH, OA, OAJ, CL2-H, CL2-S, CL2-F Vizsla, National AOM winner
Envy, Ch Kizmar's Bailey HotShot of Adara, Vizsla, JH, RN, CGC, TDI National AOM winner
Adara is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: May 2009
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Adara For This Useful Post:
dobebug (12-16-2012), GingerGunlock (12-06-2012), MeadowCat (12-18-2012), RottenVonSpotten (12-16-2012)
Old 12-16-2012, 02:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Posts: 4,096

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit dobebug's Gallery
Thanks: 4,485
Thanked 9,098 Times in 2,569 Posts
dobebug has a reputation beyond reputedobebug has a reputation beyond reputedobebug has a reputation beyond reputedobebug has a reputation beyond reputedobebug has a reputation beyond reputedobebug has a reputation beyond reputedobebug has a reputation beyond reputedobebug has a reputation beyond reputedobebug has a reputation beyond reputedobebug has a reputation beyond reputedobebug has a reputation beyond repute
I see owners shoot themselves in the foot quite often on this specific issue.

In the name of developing a dog who is dog friendly (and I wouldn't describe your dogs behavior as "aggressive"--out of control perhaps but not aggressive if what he's indicating is tail wagging desire to PLAY with another dog) people allow their young dogs to "meet and greet" and play ON LEASH with every dog possible when they are very young. Then when they hit 12 or 15 or 18 months the same owner who encouraged behavior like this when the puppy was younger can't figure out how to get control of the dog now that it's older, heavier, stronger and wants to do the same thing.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, you get to go back to the beginning (and buy a copy of Control Unleashed before you start this) and retrain the dog and yourself while keeping the dog at a sufficient distance that he is still under control and NOT in a frenzy.

One of the things that helps is to make sure that the dog has a rock solid "sit" complete with a rock solid "stay". And that you know what his distance limitations are so that you keep him under threshhold while the retraining is in process.

You'll have to apologize less and won't have to explain that he is friendly and "just wants to play" (which is a phrase that usually causes me to start walking with my dog across the street because a big percentage of owners don't know if their dog "just wants to play" or if he is hoping to get close enough to tear the other dogs throat out).

It helps to have professional assistance while you are trying to rework the initial training but it is something you can do yourself.

For everyone else--teach your puppies that when on leash they are NOT going to be playing with other dogs--tell other owners what you are doing and why and suggest that you all find a nice fenced place (your yard or theirs or any place else suitable) turn the dogs loose and let them play. Don't do it while they are on leash at any age.

Last edited by dobebug; 12-16-2012 at 02:10 PM..
dobebug is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jul 2005
The Following User Says Thank You to dobebug For This Useful Post:
MeadowCat (12-18-2012)
Old 12-16-2012, 06:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
Alpha
 
LuvMyDobes's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,332
Location: Central Maryland
Dogs Name: Cara's Seize The Moment - Sweep
Titles: RN, CTL1, CGC,
Dogs Age: born 10/23/2007
Gallery Pics: 5
Visit LuvMyDobes's Gallery
Thanks: 1,057
Thanked 2,469 Times in 1,070 Posts
Images: 5
LuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond reputeLuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond reputeLuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond reputeLuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond reputeLuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond reputeLuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond reputeLuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond reputeLuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond reputeLuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond reputeLuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond reputeLuvMyDobes has a reputation beyond repute
I would suggest you get and read Control Unleashed as dobebug recommends but if possible, I would cross the street instead of making your dog come face to face with another dog. You start crossing at a distance where he sees it but is not yet reacting. As he learns he is not going to come face to face or be confronted by the other dog, he becomes more relaxed. You shorten the distance as your training progresses. Be sure to have high value treats ready to reward him for looking at you and not the other dog. I have been where you are now and used this method. It takes a lot of patience but works. I can now take my dog to an agility trial and walk by many dogs, granted she has a space issue, but she can maintain composure and that is what you want. Good luck!
__________________
Dragon Slaying Dobermans Incorporated member #44
LuvMyDobes is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Oct 2007
The Following User Says Thank You to LuvMyDobes For This Useful Post:
MeadowCat (12-18-2012)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Tags
aggression, lunging, obedience, training

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:16 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0 Beta 2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2 ©2009, Crawlability, Inc.
@2005 - 2008 DobermanTalk.com
PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com