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Old 12-01-2012, 11:02 AM   #26 (permalink)
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You've received some outstanding advice here so I'll try not to belabor it too much.

Your lovley girl has what I refer to as a "low threshold for correction" so only the slightest tone of displeasure from you will be all it ever takes.

I just want to mention that when you call a child over to scold them for their behavior, they still remember what it was they just did that was "naughty". Your poor dog has no idea why she is being punished for coming to you. Her acting sorry when you use her full name likely has more to do with your tone and body language than any understanding of bad behavior she did 20 seconds ago.

Remember, dogs have excellent hearing. You can "Ah Ah!" her from across the yard. She'll get it. Sounds like she's very sensitive and wants to please.

The good news is you can have a do over. Dogs are pretty much "Go along to Get along". I rarely train with treats, but with these super sensitive guys it may be the best way to re-establish good associations.

Best of luck and keep us posted please.

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Quick update..... Ruby red is no longer submissive peeing! We continued training the way our vet told us to do and now she has stopped! (Even when called by full name) She is a great dog with us, other people and other dogs!

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Old 12-10-2012, 12:27 AM   #28 (permalink)
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This is in case someone reads this post first rule of dog training never call your dog for punishment of any kind verbal or otherwise. Always go to the dog for punishment verbal or other wise.
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This is in case someone reads this post first rule of dog training never call your dog for punishment of any kind verbal or otherwise. Always go to the dog for punishment verbal or other wise.
I just want to say this: just because I do things differently with my dog than you do with yours does NOT mean what I'm doing is wrong or that I'm a horrible person or know nothing about dogs! I've had dogs my entire life and never had issues! My Dobe is the FIRST dog I've had that did the submissive peeing and as I've said she no longer does it even when being scolded or "punished". You all need to stop being so judgmental and give support!!!!!!! That's why this site is here! Maybe some of you should do your own research on submissive peeing or go to vet school!!! we did what our VET said to do and it worked compared to what some of you said that didnt work! Just saying!

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Old 12-10-2012, 09:28 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I just want to say this: just because I do things differently with my dog than you do with yours does NOT mean what I'm doing is wrong or that I'm a horrible person or know nothing about dogs! I've had dogs my entire life and never had issues! My Dobe is the FIRST dog I've had that did the submissive peeing and as I've said she no longer does it even when being scolded or "punished". You all need to stop being so judgmental and give support!!!!!!! That's why this site is here! Maybe some of you should do your own research on submissive peeing or go to vet school!!! we did what our VET said to do and it worked compared to what some of you said that didnt work! Just saying!
Miss Red, I have been reading and checking out DT for quite a while now and do understand how you feel this way.

The biggest thing to remember with some posters on here is the fact they really are truly trying to help, but sometimes it just does not come out the right way.

My personal view on your OP is this:

My Dachshund growing up constantly submissively peed, and she never really broke out of it.

Sometimes it is fear, sometimes it is a way of showing they are submitting, and sometimes it is just an excited reaction.

Biggest thing to remember with puppies and especially Dobes, they function and strive off of confidence. I am not accusing you of being to harsh or not doing the right thing, just do keep in mind, some are more fragile minded than other, and I've noticed especially females are that way.

Maybe just cut off "Ruby Red" all together for a while and establish that confidence/trust level with her again, and it also may be a fact of age as well.

Either way, dogs will be dogs, and every dog is different, so just keep working and trying something, and usually something will end up working!

Good luck
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:50 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Miss Red, I have been reading and checking out DT for quite a while now and do understand how you feel this way.

The biggest thing to remember with some posters on here is the fact they really are truly trying to help, but sometimes it just does not come out the right way.

My personal view on your OP is this:

My Dachshund growing up constantly submissively peed, and she never really broke out of it.

Sometimes it is fear, sometimes it is a way of showing they are submitting, and sometimes it is just an excited reaction.

Biggest thing to remember with puppies and especially Dobes, they function and strive off of confidence. I am not accusing you of being to harsh or not doing the right thing, just do keep in mind, some are more fragile minded than other, and I've noticed especially females are that way.

Maybe just cut off "Ruby Red" all together for a while and establish that confidence/trust level with her again, and it also may be a fact of age as well.

Either way, dogs will be dogs, and every dog is different, so just keep working and trying something, and usually something will end up working!

Good luck


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Her confidence level is good and she trusts us just fine. It was never out of fear (as our vet has said it wasnt, it was to appease show of submission) some people may "try" to be helping but they come off as judgmental (using caps and !) I came here for advice and to talk with other Dobe lovers/owners NOT to be judged. Just because you own a Dobe doesn't mean you're a know it all. Just saying. Again just because I do things differently does not mean its wrong. My Dobe is a well behaved girl. She doesn't beg, she doesnt get on furniture,
She doesn't take food from my kids, she doesn't dig, she doesnt bark unless theres something wrong, she knows all the commands (sit, stay, drop it, come, her name, no, leave it, lock up, etc.....) all you have to do is tap on her crate and she gets in. She gives and gets lots of kisses, attention, love.
I couldn't have asked for a better dog.
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Her confidence level is good and she trusts us just fine. It was never out of fear (as our vet has said it wasnt, it was to appease show of submission) some people may "try" to be helping but they come off as judgmental (using caps and !) I came here for advice and to talk with other Dobe lovers/owners NOT to be judged. Just because you own a Dobe doesn't mean you're a know it all. Just saying. Again just because I do things differently does not mean its wrong. My Dobe is a well behaved girl. She doesn't beg, she doesnt get on furniture,
She doesn't take food from my kids, she doesn't dig, she doesnt bark unless theres something wrong, she knows all the commands (sit, stay, drop it, come, her name, no, leave it, lock up, etc.....) all you have to do is tap on her crate and she gets in. She gives and gets lots of kisses, attention, love.
I couldn't have asked for a better dog.
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Sounds to me as if its just a normal puppy phase. Puppy phases come in many different ways, and your right, just because it is different, does not mean its wrong or need to be judged.

As I've read a few times though from a few different vets on the site, some of the responses you get will be the response your looking for, while others won't. That is just something I have come to live by while being on this site, especially so because most of the people who come off that way, really don't mean too, there are many different types of culture on here (Canada, UK, US, Etc) so there are bound to be different ways of responding and taking things in. Either way, just enjoy yourself and take it for what it is worth
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I just want to say this: just because I do things differently with my dog than you do with yours does NOT mean what I'm doing is wrong or that I'm a horrible person or know nothing about dogs! I've had dogs my entire life and never had issues! My Dobe is the FIRST dog I've had that did the submissive peeing and as I've said she no longer does it even when being scolded or "punished". You all need to stop being so judgmental and give support!!!!!!! That's why this site is here! Maybe some of you should do your own research on submissive peeing or go to vet school!!! we did what our VET said to do and it worked compared to what some of you said that didnt work! Just saying!
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Just read through this full post and I find your attitude to help unbelievable.
You really can't be helped or advised in anyway can you?

Having experience (27 years) and coming across rescues with submissive peeing I would love to know what your VET said that was so different from the help and advise that many knowledgeable people choose to give you.

Please enlighten me




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