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Old 11-06-2012, 09:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dominance/Agression in 3y/o Male

Hey guys, Ive visited the site numerous times for tips on raising my dobe right, but this is my first time posting on the site and I need to ask a question so apologize if I am posting this in the wrong section.
I have a 3 year old male (Not Neutered) who seemingly out of nowhere has started to show what I think are some dominace related aggression issues over the past month. He has never showed any real aggression towards dogs or people since I have had him,(since 8weeks old) and the fact that these incidences are becoming more frequent is forcing me to take action. He started with something like being pet when all of a sudden he lets out a very low growl with his hair up and slinks out of the room to the basement where he sleeps. Ok, I understand maybe hes tired..so I let it slide a couple of times. But then about a little over a month ago my Mother was petting him when he backed off, with his hair up on his whole back and lips curled barking at her. He then had a similar instance with my sister. The next time he did this (slinking to the basement) i calmly follwed him downstairs and had him come to me and pet his head on my lap. As soon as my hand touched his back he took a jump back,barking hair up etc. I then put him in his cage immediately. As the main caregiver to him in my house I was shocked that he would do that to me. About a week goes by and my younger sister has friends over. As one of her friends is petting him without any warning he lets out a loud continuous bark and nips her hand. At the point i got downstairs, he was in another room with his tail down and ears back, and my sisters friend was obviously a little shaken up. Although she only had a tiny cut on her hand, its nothing to take lightly when my guy is about 110lbs and 31" at the withers. He was again taken to his cage. That was YESTERDAY and now today we have started to take every effort in correctly training him, like when he was a puppy. Have him leashed in the house, sit,stay etc. TONIGHT after we had him quietly laying throughout the day and praising him when he deserved it, my mother took him into the den where her and my dad were. My mom was sitting on the floor with him when out of nowhere he turned barking at my mother and nipped her arm(no damage to her at all thank God). My dad then yelled at him and brought him into his cage.
I know I have made numerous points here, but around me I have nothing to worry about and he has never done this around me or to me, with the exception of that one time. It seems like from what I have read that it may be some dominance issues (fact that he persistantly puts his bodyweight into you and will not leave you alone until he is pet) I just find it strange that he would start acting out like this out of nowhere at 3 years old.Unless its just that time where he shoukd be showing dominance. And he has never done anything aggressive towards dogs, people or anything OUTSIDE of my house.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Id take him to the vets. This is odd behaviour
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Definitely take him to the vet for a thorough workup, including a full thyroid panel. Even if he's not showing any obvious symptoms, he could be hypothryoid.
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It sounds odd - from your description I wondered if he had a sore or otherwise painful spot. (It's sounding as if he's reacting to something, maybe a touch or pat that hurts him?)
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Firstly, I would not trust this dog right now, nor would I hold him accountable for his behavior.

Full physical, full thyroid panel, tick panel and if nothing shows then a neurologist. This sounds just a wee bit like a brain thing...
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Hey Thanks for this info guys. I will certainly take him to the vet as soon as I can. Do you think that him not being neutered has something to do with this? And also im sure my mom has read about it but im new to this Thyroid problem..is it specific towards dobes? And what are some things that may show this problem? Because it almost seems as if something is triggering this, I cant seem to find any similarities between these incidents.
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Any dog can developed hypothyroidism (I have a Rat Terrier), but Dobes, as a breed, seem to especially prone to low thryoid. There have been a couple of threads recently about dogs who were discovered to be hypothyroid at a young age, and the only real sign was a personality change. Ivan is Hypothyroid Hypothyroid at 15 months old You want to make sure your vet does a full thyroid panel, which is normally sent off to an outside lab.
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I agree with a vet check being needed. I would like to add that males dobes are slow to mature so behavior problems showing up at 3 doesn't surprise me if he gets an all clear from the vet. While I do think he should be neutered I don't think his behavior is from being intact.
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Hey Thanks for this info guys. I will certainly take him to the vet as soon as I can. Do you think that him not being neutered has something to do with this? And also im sure my mom has read about it but im new to this Thyroid problem..is it specific towards dobes? And what are some things that may show this problem? Because it almost seems as if something is triggering this, I cant seem to find any similarities between these incidents.
This IMO is not a behavioural issue but rather a health issue.
All those incidents are almost identical as far as I can see, petting, there's your trigger even if it is not the root issue.

Apart from thyroid problems your dog could have skin sensitivity from some other illness.
I think people often jump straight to 'pack/dominance' ideas before looking at the other aspects of how dogs operate.
This vid will give you a wee bit of insight into how to address such issues in a structured way:

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I don't completely agree with all aspects of these guys theory but it is a very good system for 'fault finding'

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For sure a Vet check to rule out anything medically is wrong. Ask for a Full Thyroid Panel. A Six Panel Thyroid Test examines your dogs Thyroid feedback system.
It measures T4, T3, Free T4, Free T3, T4 anti-bodies and T3 anti-
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My dog has been experiencing the same behavior. I have a one year old Doberman P. Yesterday when my cousin was petting him and touching him behind his ears, he had a low growl, barked and snapped at her. No more than 10 minutes later my sister was petting him and he did the same thing but jumped, to bite her. An hour later I laid down next to him (the owner) and he barked and attempted to bite me. I immediately slapped him on his snout and told him "no". Why is my bog begging to snap at people and become aggressive. He has always been playful and loveable.

Have you been able to come up on new information?
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My reactive bitch, Enid, will not tolerate a person touching her on the top of head or neck. This developed over time. In fact, it is the result of poor spine alignment. If I get her adjusted really well, she will come home and sleep for about 12-14 hours and the next few days she will tolerate and enjoy anyone patting her on the top of the head, rubbing her ears and massaging her neck - loves it.

But give her a week of playing rough with the puppies and she will start being more tentative. I can always pat her anywhere but I always start under the chin and slowly work my way around to her trouble areas and very gently massage her neck and try to free her up a bit. She is happy to let me do this. If a person who doesn't live here tries to touch her she will definitely bark and once snapped at a person she knows very well. This is not behavior, it is purely physical. When she starts acting up, I run my hand down her back and I can feel the hot spots. I get her adjusted and we are good for a while. Enid used to be my performance dog for agility but her poor structure could not support the activity and her chronic back issues caused me to retire her from the sport 18 months ago.
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My dog has been experiencing the same behavior. I have a one year old Doberman P. Yesterday when my cousin was petting him and touching him behind his ears, he had a low growl, barked and snapped at her. No more than 10 minutes later my sister was petting him and he did the same thing but jumped, to bite her. An hour later I laid down next to him (the owner) and he barked and attempted to bite me. I immediately slapped him on his snout and told him "no". Why is my bog begging to snap at people and become aggressive. He has always been playful and loveable.

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Thank U everyone for the info... ii'll be sure to tell my vet to check for those problem areas..... And @ CaponesMama24.... I hav'nt really got any other information besides the help ive recieved on this page. Although I will certainly bring all of these points up to my vet, I have also been much stricter with the big guy. Not in an agressive manner but having him know his place in the house. We tie him to the railing for a couple hours(he has room to walk around and lay down) but no more treats for no reason, food from table etc. My mom now feeds him from her hands and everyone in the house takes turns feeding him letting him off the leash and so on. He has not only calmed down significantly, but is more attentive and obidient than ever. Im not sure if this was the reason he would suddenly act out but it is helping somewhat for now. Today was the first day he got his free roam of the house for most of the day and hasnt had any problems. Im gonna check on him now but from what you were explaining, it seems like a similar problem...get a vet check as well.
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Did you take him to the vet yet? It's been 9 days since the first 'take him to the vet' response.
Not nagging, just saying it's serious stuff when a doberman has potential biting issues, both for the humans and the dog involved.
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