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For rainy days, I hide treats around the house and have the dog find them. Using their nose and searching uses a good amount of brain power, which in turn makes a tired/relaxed dog!

You have to start out easy, with treats that are clearly visible, and then move on to the more challenging hiding spots. Make sure you count how many treats you put out - I've found them a couple days later, yuck.
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Hiding treats inside is my go to indoor activity. LOVE IT!! I actually do that every morning before I leave for work. I hide treats throughout the house and Ivan's got an activity to keep him busy.
You can also save some old boxes/egg cartons/plastic containers and etc.. and do some nose works games. Mabel see's me getting boxes out and runs to her crate to wait all while barking lol, I think it's a favorite game.

We've also named most of her toys and I'll hide them around the house too, it's a bit harder than finding stinky food
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Since Ivan has always been a fan of destruction, anytime I get an empty box I'll put the kibble portion of his dinner in it, close it up, and then let him go at it. I'll need to find sturdier containers, but this would be something right up our alley to help with getting him to alert when he finds something. I did briefly do this once before, but now that it gets dark so quickly and we spend more time indoors, this would be a good thing to do.
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Fantastic blog post today from one of my trainers (from here: http://paws4udogs.wordpress.com/2012...eyre-raised/):

“It’s all in how they’re raised.”
Posted on December 10, 2012 | 3 Comments

“All puppies are blank slates.” “If you do everything right with your puppy, you’ll have a great adult dog.” “If dogs have behavioral issues, we should blame the handle end of the leash.”

These are common misconceptions I hear as a trainer, and they make me so very sad. Behavior is a combination of nature and nurture, and if we could just take a moment to look logically at these myths, we would see just how silly they are.
Photo by Tavallai

Photo by Tavallai

Genetics influence behavior. This is part of the reason we have breeds: if you want a dog to work your sheep, you’re going to choose a Border Collie, not a Brittany Spaniel. Even though the two dogs have the same basic size and shape, one is more likely to have the instinctive motor patterns to do the work than the other. Getting a Border Collie whose parents successfully work sheep further increases the likelihood of your dog having the necessary genetic ability to be a great sheepherder.

In the 1970′s, Murphree and colleagues began to study the difference between normal and fearful lines of Pointers. In cross-fostering experiments, puppies from fearful parents were raised by normal mothers. These puppies still turned out fearful, in spite of proper socialization and a confident role model.

Interestingly, puppies from normal parents who were raised by fearful mothers also turned out fearful. Environment also influences behavior, and the best genetics in the world can’t create the perfect dog without a supportive upbringing.

If we believe that the way a dog is raised is solely responsible for his adult behavior, how can the tremendous success of the Pit Bulls from Michael Vick’s kennel and many other fighting operations be explained? With their neglectful and abusive upbringing, we would expect these dogs to be vicious and unsalvageable. Yet many of them have gone on to become wonderful pets. Some compete in agility or work as certified therapy dogs. Many Pit Bull enthusiasts are adamant that it’s all in how the dogs are raised, yet the success of many former fighting dogs tells us that it’s more than just that. These amazing, resilient dogs also have to have a sound genetic basis to explain their ability to overcome adversity.

On the other end of the spectrum, many of my clients have done everything right, yet continue to struggle with anxiety or aggression issues in their dogs. Certain lines of Golden Retrievers are known for severe resource guarding issues that often show up even in tiny puppies. Most of my German Shepherd behavioral consults occur when these dogs hit 12-18 months and growl at or bite a stranger. Miniature Australian Shepherds are likely to come to me due to extreme fear issues at 6-10 months of age. Terrier owners often call me when their dog hits social maturity and begins fighting with housemate dogs. While these traits may be common in my area, trainers in other areas of the country report completely different issues in the same breeds due to different lines of dogs with different genetic potentials living and being bred near them. I also see hundreds of friendly, stable, solid Goldens, German Shepherds, mini Aussies, and terriers in our Beginning Obedience and Puppy Kindergarten classes.

The truth is that dogs are born with a certain genetic potential that will influence which behavioral traits they display. This could include a dog’s sociability towards people, dogs, or other animals; their level of boldness or fearfulness; their likelihood to display anxious or compulsive behaviors; whether they are calm and confident or nervous and neurotic; and many other behavioral factors.

Let’s look at one trait to make this more clear. We know that dogs born from fearful parents are more likely to be fearful and that dogs with bold parents are more likely to be bold. There is a behavioral continuum, with boldness on one end and fearfulness on the other. Here’s what that spectrum would look like. A dog on the left end of the spectrum would be incredibly fearful, while a dog on the right end would be exceedingly confident. Most dogs wind up somewhere in the middle, and dogs on both ends of the spectrum present challenges for their owners.

naturevsnurture

A dog with bold parents is born with the potential to be quite bold. He is physically capable of bold behavior. However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that he will become a bold dog. If his experiences as a puppy and young adult are very limited or if he has negative, scary experiences, he may develop into a fearful adult due to environmental influence. His genetic potential gave him the ability to be bold, but his environment did not nurture that ability.

naturevsnurture_bold

On the other hand, consider a dog who is born from fearful parents. This dog does not have the genetic potential to be bold. Even given an incredibly supportive and nurturing environment as a puppy and young adult, this dog will always be somewhat fearful because the physical ability to be bold is just not there.

naturevsnurture_fearful

These dogs may present identically when we look at their behavior, in spite of the very different levels of dedication their owners had to socializing and supporting their puppies. However, the genetically bold dog may make a lot of progress with appropriate behavioral interventions, while the genetically fearful dog makes little or none. This has nothing to do with the skill level of each dog’s owner, but rather with the raw material each dog started with. (This is also, by the way, why ethical trainers do not make guarantees: without knowing what genetic package a dog starts with, there’s no way to know how much progress that dog can make until we try.)

Do you see how very unfair statements about how “it’s all in how they’re raised” are to committed, wonderful dog owners who have dogs with more difficult baselines? Just because your dog flew through a behavior mod program doesn’t mean every dog can or will, and assuming that it’s all because of the owner is unrealistic and downright cruel. I regularly work with wonderful people who do the best they can with difficult dogs, and that adage about walking a mile in someone’s shoes is applicable to their situation. As if living with and training a more difficult dog weren’t enough, these people are often subjected to comments and insinuations that if they were just a better handler, a better trainer, or a better leader, their dog would be perfectly fine. This is untrue and incredibly hurtful, and it needs to stop.
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Fantastic blog post today from one of my trainers (from here: http://paws4udogs.wordpress.com/2012...eyre-raised/):

“It’s all in how they’re raised.”
Posted on December 10, 2012 | 3 Comments

“All puppies are blank slates.” “If you do everything right with your puppy, you’ll have a great adult dog.” “If dogs have behavioral issues, we should blame the handle end of the leash.”

These are common misconceptions I hear as a trainer, and they make me so very sad. Behavior is a combination of nature and nurture, and if we could just take a moment to look logically at these myths, we would see just how silly they are.
Photo by Tavallai

Photo by Tavallai

Genetics influence behavior. This is part of the reason we have breeds: if you want a dog to work your sheep, you’re going to choose a Border Collie, not a Brittany Spaniel. Even though the two dogs have the same basic size and shape, one is more likely to have the instinctive motor patterns to do the work than the other. Getting a Border Collie whose parents successfully work sheep further increases the likelihood of your dog having the necessary genetic ability to be a great sheepherder.

In the 1970′s, Murphree and colleagues began to study the difference between normal and fearful lines of Pointers. In cross-fostering experiments, puppies from fearful parents were raised by normal mothers. These puppies still turned out fearful, in spite of proper socialization and a confident role model.

Interestingly, puppies from normal parents who were raised by fearful mothers also turned out fearful. Environment also influences behavior, and the best genetics in the world can’t create the perfect dog without a supportive upbringing.

If we believe that the way a dog is raised is solely responsible for his adult behavior, how can the tremendous success of the Pit Bulls from Michael Vick’s kennel and many other fighting operations be explained? With their neglectful and abusive upbringing, we would expect these dogs to be vicious and unsalvageable. Yet many of them have gone on to become wonderful pets. Some compete in agility or work as certified therapy dogs. Many Pit Bull enthusiasts are adamant that it’s all in how the dogs are raised, yet the success of many former fighting dogs tells us that it’s more than just that. These amazing, resilient dogs also have to have a sound genetic basis to explain their ability to overcome adversity.

On the other end of the spectrum, many of my clients have done everything right, yet continue to struggle with anxiety or aggression issues in their dogs. Certain lines of Golden Retrievers are known for severe resource guarding issues that often show up even in tiny puppies. Most of my German Shepherd behavioral consults occur when these dogs hit 12-18 months and growl at or bite a stranger. Miniature Australian Shepherds are likely to come to me due to extreme fear issues at 6-10 months of age. Terrier owners often call me when their dog hits social maturity and begins fighting with housemate dogs. While these traits may be common in my area, trainers in other areas of the country report completely different issues in the same breeds due to different lines of dogs with different genetic potentials living and being bred near them. I also see hundreds of friendly, stable, solid Goldens, German Shepherds, mini Aussies, and terriers in our Beginning Obedience and Puppy Kindergarten classes.

The truth is that dogs are born with a certain genetic potential that will influence which behavioral traits they display. This could include a dog’s sociability towards people, dogs, or other animals; their level of boldness or fearfulness; their likelihood to display anxious or compulsive behaviors; whether they are calm and confident or nervous and neurotic; and many other behavioral factors.

Let’s look at one trait to make this more clear. We know that dogs born from fearful parents are more likely to be fearful and that dogs with bold parents are more likely to be bold. There is a behavioral continuum, with boldness on one end and fearfulness on the other. Here’s what that spectrum would look like. A dog on the left end of the spectrum would be incredibly fearful, while a dog on the right end would be exceedingly confident. Most dogs wind up somewhere in the middle, and dogs on both ends of the spectrum present challenges for their owners.

naturevsnurture

A dog with bold parents is born with the potential to be quite bold. He is physically capable of bold behavior. However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that he will become a bold dog. If his experiences as a puppy and young adult are very limited or if he has negative, scary experiences, he may develop into a fearful adult due to environmental influence. His genetic potential gave him the ability to be bold, but his environment did not nurture that ability.

naturevsnurture_bold

On the other hand, consider a dog who is born from fearful parents. This dog does not have the genetic potential to be bold. Even given an incredibly supportive and nurturing environment as a puppy and young adult, this dog will always be somewhat fearful because the physical ability to be bold is just not there.

naturevsnurture_fearful

These dogs may present identically when we look at their behavior, in spite of the very different levels of dedication their owners had to socializing and supporting their puppies. However, the genetically bold dog may make a lot of progress with appropriate behavioral interventions, while the genetically fearful dog makes little or none. This has nothing to do with the skill level of each dog’s owner, but rather with the raw material each dog started with. (This is also, by the way, why ethical trainers do not make guarantees: without knowing what genetic package a dog starts with, there’s no way to know how much progress that dog can make until we try.)

Do you see how very unfair statements about how “it’s all in how they’re raised” are to committed, wonderful dog owners who have dogs with more difficult baselines? Just because your dog flew through a behavior mod program doesn’t mean every dog can or will, and assuming that it’s all because of the owner is unrealistic and downright cruel. I regularly work with wonderful people who do the best they can with difficult dogs, and that adage about walking a mile in someone’s shoes is applicable to their situation. As if living with and training a more difficult dog weren’t enough, these people are often subjected to comments and insinuations that if they were just a better handler, a better trainer, or a better leader, their dog would be perfectly fine. This is untrue and incredibly hurtful, and it needs to stop.
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We were very! excited for class....


IMG_20121210_161253 by Mabel9114, on Flickr

It went really! well, unfortunately I had to help tape ears on a red male (you'll see pictures closer to christmas! ) and ended up getting stuck talking for awhile so mabel was in the car more than she trained but when we did finally get there for the last 15-20 minutes of class the rally drop in was showing up and there were A LOT of people so instead of a long class with minimal people we had a quick session surrounded by a ton of distraction.
Her watch me was a bit well crappy at some points but we only low grumbled once at the owner of a golden practicing near by who she thought was coming a tad close, but it was short. No large reactions and boy am I rusty, i haven't had her out in so long I was correcting/redirecting her focused staring wrongly a few times and then yelling at myself, note to self get out get out get out! In fact we're going back tonight since my mom is teaching conformation. I may put her in...not that she gets the point lol, or just work outside.

She is still on gabapentin 100mg BID and has 10mg diazepam for when I need it (we did not use it last night) she's back to her regular self with my dad and seems evened out again so yay!
I did find she broke another tooth (she chipped a very tiny piece of the tip off the one right behind her left canine last year) and now she took the tip and a sliver off the inside of her right canine...a little bit of the inside is visible but it doesn't seem to bug her (anymore? maybe it's old and that's why she was upset a few weeks back) the edge is wicked sharp though so my treat vulture is a treat gator now! ow ow ow

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look mom i can ignore that golden!


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IMAG0964 by Mabel9114, on Flickr

The biggest thing that sucks about her reactivity is she loves!!!! to work but I can't take her to any shows if it wasn't for the exam in obed. she'd be in open or utility by now! Obed and weaves are this dogs most favorite things to do, and some noseworks i've done at home.

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Sometimes short sessions are much better for a reactive dog. Glad you had a good class!
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It was crowded and very intensive for her so definitely! That golden was a bit of a hitch since for a while I wasn't sure she was catching my obvious give us space cues...she just kept shifting closer hence mabel's one grumble.
I had to wait to get that pile of our stuff from by the broad jump at one point since she was right next to it...
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Happy to hear class went well! Mabel is a beautiful Dobergirl and she looks great in that jacket. She looks pretty relaxed, too.
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Happy to hear class went well! Mabel is a beautiful Dobergirl and she looks great in that jacket. She looks pretty relaxed, too.
She was pretty good, she ended up getting a long nap in the car so she was a bit more anxious and shaky at first than if i'd gotten there right away (we played and tired her out beforehand) it took 10 min or so to get to her i'm happy and i'll actually tug stage and stop shaking/pacing/worrying. I took all the pics at the end lol.
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Carson has gone off for a weekend boarding, it really helps with the stress around here, both dobes are so relaxed (read likely because I am). It's not as if he's aggressive with them, but threatening and I think it's just that his energy is exhausting to all.

It might be the last time though. It costs a lot and Carson doesn't seem to like going any more.
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Carson has gone off for a weekend boarding, it really helps with the stress around here, both dobes are so relaxed (read likely because I am). It's not as if he's aggressive with them, but threatening and I think it's just that his energy is exhausting to all.

It might be the last time though. It costs a lot and Carson doesn't seem to like going any more.
Breaks can be a great asset. I've sent Mabel away but I also try and make sure I leave her home and go away myself so she learns to function and trust others not just me.

Enjoy your stress free time, is there any way someone you know could take him for a few days in the future? Instead of paying boarding fees and etc..
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Just what I need, another kid teasing the dogs. The kids from a couple of houses down were out "playing" with their puppy, but were in my next-door neighbors driveway, right next to my fence. The kid was BARKING at them (Lucky and Ilka). I yelled something along the lines of "Are you really that stupid?" One of the other kids said that the dogs had scared them. I told her that was no reason to stand there and bark at them, and they needed to get their puppy and go home.

That puppy is another thing. Cute, looks like a black Lab mix, maybe 3 ot 4 months old. They let it run loose. Trouble has gone after it when it's come onto his porch, and I swear it nearly got run over last night.
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We will probably have my daughter fly out and look after him for a bit this summer, she is his favorite person! However, that will cost even more, lol.

It's hard because people don't realize how fast he can lose it, and there are so few we could trust to keep him away from other people and dogs. And those that do won't board him because of the hair.......

Ah, it's always worse in the winter because it's often too cold to get the dogs out for more than a couple minutes.
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We will probably have my daughter fly out and look after him for a bit this summer, she is his favorite person! However, that will cost even more, lol.

It's hard because people don't realize how fast he can lose it, and there are so few we could trust to keep him away from other people and dogs. And those that do won't board him because of the hair.......

Ah, it's always worse in the winter because it's often too cold to get the dogs out for more than a couple minutes.
I feel your pain, hopefully something pops up for the future!
Now that I quit I'm not sure where I can board Mabel....ever :/ and few non family can even be with her uncrated.

Winter for Mabel is thankfully her favorite season, she'll play in the snow for hours.Summer she gets hot and cranky lol
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I know exactly what you mean! We are actually taking a real vacation in February (the first one in years and years) and I am stressing about the dog arrangements. Normally, my sister-in-law and her husband watch the dogs, but they are going on the trip! My sister will be staying at the house with super strict instructions about Shanoa. Richter is actually going to be boarded. I'm trying really hard not to worry, but trusting someone to follow the "Shanoa rules" is hard!
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I know exactly what you mean! We are actually taking a real vacation in February (the first one in years and years) and I am stressing about the dog arrangements. Normally, my sister-in-law and her husband watch the dogs, but they are going on the trip! My sister will be staying at the house with super strict instructions about Shanoa. Richter is actually going to be boarded. I'm trying really hard not to worry, but trusting someone to follow the "Shanoa rules" is hard!
I can empathise so much with y'all! Alice hasn't been away from me in a year now. I can't just find a good kennel for her or leave her with a friend. I am going away for a few days in January and I am so, so stressed about her safety. My sister is also staying in the house with super strict "Alice rules"!!
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So, I haven't been very active on DT since my last thread, where I was having pretty much a genuine meltdown. I needed time to calm down and analyze everything that had happened. And I did come to the conclusion that, having reached adolescence, Rai has become more bold in how he handles his reactiveness, and I needed to change some things about our routines and training.

After several weeks of avoiding anything that would trigger him, not going for walks on the roads, keeping him away from the windows, etc., I noticed him relax a lot more in general, as well as become more playful and willing to do things he normally didn't care to do. He seems to have a lot more energy now for doing fun things, like he isn't as tired (from lack of stress perhaps).

We worked on counter-conditioning at the windows every day, and I've noticed a huge improvement with that. He no longer is afraid of our cars in the driveway, instead he gets "excited" and wags his tail and runs to the door when he sees someone come home. When he sees the neighbors, he is fine after a quick "It's okay, that's enough, let's go!" and he'll follow me away, or we'll work with treats some more. He still gets upset with strange vehicles we don't see often (FedEx trucks, school bus, etc.,) but I don't blame him for that and we're working on the school bus now... he totally ignores regular cars!

We've been working on clicker training, loose-leash walking, and it has been extremely slow, but we're improving and that's all that matters. I got him used to the idea of it indoors first, then moved into the back yard, which, first day, was horrible, he was too distracted. After a couple more days he became comfortable loose leash walking, turning, stopping, and focusing on me no problem, but OUTSIDE of the fenced area, it was a nightmare... It has taken us a couple of weeks just to get him to the point where he will focus on me even "half" of the time in a small 10x10 foot area on the side of the house. But now we can go up and down the sides of the house, even out front, and he isn't as tense and distracted. Still have a long way to go, I can tell he is "looking for something" where ever we go, but he sits most of the time on command even when he sees a distraction now (under threshold), which is excellent. And most of the time he looks to me as soon as he hears a click for doing something good, as well as after he sits, or he realizes I've stopped or turned.

Since we haven't been walking "for real" in quite a while, he has gotten really good at walking on the treadmill, and we do a lot of play after his walk, as well as more play in-between training sessions which seems to help. I also let him run around the woods out back on the long lead sometimes and work on his recall. Over all he doesn't seem to be "lacking" that energy outlet, all things considered.

For mental stimulation, I've been using more puzzle toys, giving him at least one meal in the KONG Wobbler, training sessions, playing hide and seek, been making new toys by altering old ones or combining them, we still do NILIF during play, etc.. Any other ideas welcome.

Oh yeah, I think we're finally done ear posting as well, hehe.

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SNOW, SNOW, SNOW! SO MUCH SNOW! I'm not sure how this will affect our leash training? It can really pile up here sometimes. I hope it melts a bit soon. Otherwise I might even have to shovel or plow around the house just so we can continue!

Rai has started to nip at me when he wants something again. He hasn't done that in quite a while, but now he is. I've begun leashing him when we play fetch out back again, so I can quickly stop him, but my biggest "whhhhhhy" moment is when he nips at me while I am just sitting at my computer, or I'm laying down, and all he seems to want is attention (I know he has enough exercise at this point). I've had to start giving him the ol' time-outs again. He's very pushy. But after a few time-outs (short ones) he seems to stop trying. Just hope he truly quits trying that for good eventually. I'm guessing he's testing me? He's still fine about getting off things when I tell him to.

The whining has returned. He used to be fine in his kennel/in my room with the door shut when I was busy with something, eating dinner, etc., but he has started to complain again. I am home 24/7 right now, so I'm sure being around me so much has something to do with it. Hoping if I just keep ignoring the whining when I need my alone time, eventually he will stop that again.

Actually, been wanting to ask, what's a "normal" amount of time to kennel your dog when you are someone who is home 24/7? To prevent them from becoming too dependent and getting separation anxiety? I feel bad kenneling him when I am home, but I know I should do it. Just don't know how long is appropriate. He used to be kenneled 3 hours in the afternoon while I was at work.

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Glad to hear all the progress!

As for the nipping the time outs are an awesome asset coupled with an "oww" versus a no, if you aren't already. Mabel nips when overexcited in play and oww means "oh god I hurt mom" no means well whatever i'm to excited.

As for crating it depends on the day but when I'm home all day...like now, mabel may never be crated or it could be roughly 2-3 hours all at once or in chunks, it depends on her pain in my butt? crated for awhile, being good not bugging me and lounging without me, you can stay out. This applies always, even when i'm busy, sometimes she's in my way other times she keeps a respectable distance and just watches. She also will get a 50/50 rotation with hannah when they seem to be having a "day", i feel bad crating mabel more so I swap them evenly and then they both get quite and out time

*this is all after I make sure I get the appropriate amount of energy out of her and she is just being a straight pain *
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Thanks, Sam!

Yes, there are times where I feel like I'm spending way too much time paying attention to my dog, and not doing enough "human things". He really can't stand it when I'm not paying attention to him, which is why, since I am not going to be working for a bit, I figure I should start crating him again a couple hours a day at least when he's really bothering me and has no real reason to (fed/exercised/stimulated/has plenty of other chews and toys and things to occupy him).

I always heard "they need a lot of attention", and I think I've actually been going overboard with that, as a worried and attentive mother hen, lol!
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Yes, there are times where I feel like I'm spending way too much time paying attention to my dog, and not doing enough "human things". He really can't stand it when I'm not paying attention to him, which is why, since I am not going to be working for a bit, I figure I should start crating him again a couple hours a day at least when he's really bothering me and has no real reason to (fed/exercised/stimulated/has plenty of other chews and toys and things to occupy him).

I always heard "they need a lot of attention", and I think I've actually been going overboard with that, as a worried and attentive mother hen, lol!
This is easily possible, I have to give mabel breaks sometimes so she is forced to learn I can't always pay attention to her. With their velcro habits I can see mabel or any dobe easily swaying into the over needy almost borderline separation anxiety area. There are some days I can tell she's been spending to much time with me lately.

Also, it's always a good idea (at least to me) to crate them or give them a bone/toy in a specific spot for 15/20 min after a training session or play session so you can both relax and cool down. I have to do this with mabel to get her out of "work/play" mode or it remains on and gets pent up and then eventually released in a less than wonderful way.

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