Fur saver or neck tech prong collars? - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums

dobelover123 · 03-22-2011, 11:49 AM

I currently use a regular Herm Sprenger prong collar. I like it, but have heard that the Neck Tech Prong may be better for short haired breeds. Also want some input on the Fur Saver training collars. Are they better then regular choke chain collars (I personally dont care for the choke collars) just want to know your opions and experiences with them? See attached photos. Thanks!

Steph82497 · 03-22-2011, 11:57 AM

I use the neck tech prong and I bought the nylon cover that goes over it. It easily controls a strong puller. I would prefer not to use a prong at all either but if you have a strong dog its really a must.

SoCalGirl · 03-22-2011, 06:22 PM

I'm interested to see what people say as well. Elke has a regular choke chain but she doesn't seem to notice it anymore, she will pull so hard it has to cut her breath off. I think it's time for a prong so she'll stop pulling. I am also planning on getting a fur saver for training and schutzhund (that's what they told me to get).

**sam&macksmom** · 03-22-2011, 06:33 PM

I have the Neck Tech collar. I like it but it doesn't provide the same correction as a regular prong.

here are more reviews:

Herm Sprenger Neck Tech?

SoCalGirl · 03-22-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sam&macksmom

I have the Neck Tech collar. I like it but it doesn't provide the same correction as a regular prong.

here are more reviews:

Herm Sprenger Neck Tech?

Thanks for the link. It sounds like a good one to use for walks to prevent pulling (and nasty comments). I'm going to ask my trainer about them.

**sam&macksmom** · 03-22-2011, 07:01 PM

Also check out Lola collars. Lots of DTers have these.

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Okie-dobie · 03-22-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dobelover123

I currently use a regular Herm Sprenger prong collar. I like it, but have heard that the Neck Tech Prong may be better for short haired breeds. Also want some input on the Fur Saver training collars. Are they better then regular choke chain collars (I personally dont care for the choke collars) just want to know your opions and experiences with them? See attached photos. Thanks!

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Very different collars.

I use the fur saver for everyday wear and also for Schutzhund training. I figure they have to trial in the fur saver, so might as well train in it whenever possible.

The neck tech is still considered a prong collar. And like someone said it's not got the same correction power as a regular prong. I use a regular prong for Schutzhund training also and regular walks. But my two are very body insensitive, especially Jasmine. A neck tech would not even fizz them. Some dogs this would be perfect, you have to know your dog.

I prefer the fur saver, it's a thicker collar than a regular choke. I find it doesn't "choke" them. And it does really save their hair.

**greenkouki** · 03-22-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sam&macksmom

I have the Neck Tech collar. I like it but it doesn't provide the same correction as a regular prong.

here are more reviews:

Herm Sprenger Neck Tech?

I have had the same experience; a regular prong is definitely more effective. I still like my neck tech though!

**sam&macksmom** · 03-22-2011, 07:10 PM

So far I've used the Neck Tech one time LOL Sam will self correct himself on a regular prong but with the Neck Tech, not so much...

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Originally Posted by greenkouki

I have had the same experience; a regular prong is definitely more effective. I still like my neck tech though!

alwayshadpets · 03-23-2011, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sam&macksmom

I have the Neck Tech collar. I like it but it doesn't provide the same correction as a regular prong.

Ditto

It is a heavier collar and I love it for Atlas, not sure if I would ever use one on my girl because of it being a heavier collar.

The Neck Tech I use on Atlas for going places, walks etc.
I still use the regular prong for training in OB classes with Atlas.

The links are hard to take out, but it can be done. It is very well made.

SoCalGirl · 03-23-2011, 10:19 AM

I talked to my trainer last night after class and he thinks Elke needs a regular prong so we are going to try that. I like the Lola collars on the link you shared, Sam&Macksmom, and I may get one of those. It's prettier for sure but looks like it has the same prongs.

dobelover123 · 03-23-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Okie-dobie

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Very different collars.

I use the fur saver for everyday wear and also for Schutzhund training. I figure they have to trial in the fur saver, so might as well train in it whenever possible.

The neck tech is still considered a prong collar. And like someone said it's not got the same correction power as a regular prong. I use a regular prong for Schutzhund training also and regular walks. But my two are very body insensitive, especially Jasmine. A neck tech would not even fizz them. Some dogs this would be perfect, you have to know your dog.

I prefer the fur saver, it's a thicker collar than a regular choke. I find it doesn't "choke" them. And it does really save their hair.

Thanks for the info! I wasn't actually trying to compare the prong and fur saver, just wanted to know how the fur saver comparied to a choke collar. I use prong for walks and training. I use a choke when we have him leashed in the house when guests come over, ect. Things I dont need as much control over. I was just trying to see if it was better then a choke. Thanks!

SoCalGirl · 03-23-2011, 11:46 AM

Dobelover -

I asked the trainer about the fur saver because I need one for Elke for her schutzhund training, and he told me it is not as good for training as prong.

sunshine010702 · 10-27-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dobelover123

I currently use a regular Herm Sprenger prong collar. I like it, but have heard that the Neck Tech Prong may be better for short haired breeds. Also want some input on the Fur Saver training collars. Are they better then regular choke chain collars (I personally dont care for the choke collars) just want to know your opions and experiences with them? See attached photos. Thanks!

I use the Herm Sprenger Neck Tech Prong....and I love it! I have 2 dobies and I think these prongs are great, they work very well and they look so much nicer on thier necks. They look like a fancy watch band. I was the 1st person to use them in our training class, now others are using them.

VZ-Doberman · 10-27-2012, 01:39 PM

I have the Herm Sprenger and get just the right amount of "hello" with Bacchus. I tried a regular prong but it had too much of "hello".

Matt Vandart · 10-27-2012, 08:00 PM

My next door neighbour uses a fur saver on his GSD, he loves it.
Personally I use a flat collar and martingale for walks and only use a prong for proofing stuff if I have to, I would never use one to walk a dog, check out some of the damage prong collars have done on a lunging dogs necks on google it's bad stuff.
Choke chains and aggressive/dominant dog collars are garbage and they damage your dogs trachea even if you cannot see evidence on the outside there will be trauma inside.
That is but my opinion.

Asmit · 10-29-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Vandart

My next door neighbour uses a fur saver on his GSD, he loves it.
Personally I use a flat collar and martingale for walks and only use a prong for proofing stuff if I have to, I would never use one to walk a dog, check out some of the damage prong collars have done on a lunging dogs necks on google it's bad stuff.
Choke chains and aggressive/dominant dog collars are garbage and they damage your dogs trachea even if you cannot see evidence on the outside there will be trauma inside.
That is but my opinion.

What damage from a prong exactly? I believe the choke chain stuff but I've seen some pretty reactive dogs wearing prong collars and still when used correctly are not having excessive pressure on their neck/spine

Matt Vandart · 10-29-2012, 10:37 AM

Damage caused by prong collar on lunging dog (probably from lack of education/knowledge):

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prong collars worn incorrectly sized and in the wrong place, chain part is far too loose, also why use a large size prong on a short haired dog? the smaller the prong size the more effective the collar IMO:

this one is even from a site selling prong collars and is fitted incorrectly:

Incorrectly fitted again:

correct fitting, as you are almost certainly aware is this:

with the rings behind the dogs right ear so the middle links are not either side of the trachea.

Nothing wrong with the tool when used properly, unfortunately prong collars are often used by absolute tools with no idea or even innocent enough dog owners that don't know any better.

dapple · 10-29-2012, 10:50 AM

I have both Herm S. neck tech and prong.
Prong is more effective. Neck tech looks better and I like it ....and it still works, just not as well.

The biggest downside to the necktech is that it breaks the hair on the neck. Honestly .....it looked like someone took little nail scissors and randomly and jaggedly cut hair on the neck. Not cute. Probably because the prongs are smaller and much sharper on the neck tech then the rounded blunt prong on the regular prong collar. But it does look like nice Italian jewelry on the dog.

tnh317 · 10-29-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Vandart

Damage caused by prong collar on lunging dog (probably from lack of education/knowledge):

Those photos are utilizing PETA / HSUS type scare tactics. It would take way more than a dog lunging at the end of a leash (even repeatedly) to put a regular prong through it's neck. Those sorts of injuries would be the result of a sharpened collar, a dog being kept tied out in the yard on one, or excessive correction from a human on the other end of the leash.

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Originally Posted by Matt Vandart

prong collars worn incorrectly sized and in the wrong place, chain part is far too loose, also why use a large size prong on a short haired dog? the smaller the prong size the more effective the collar IMO:

Regarding the highlighted portion, the size of the prong isn't just about the size of the dog or length of hair, but the level of correction. The smaller the prongs, the more of them there are, the stronger the correction, which not every dog needs. Placement on the neck also effects the level of correction.

Jazi · 10-29-2012, 11:06 AM

The one that is very bloody is from a shock collar, says the dog forum it was on, actually. I've seen the other images though and have been firm in my stance that I will not use a prong or shock collar on my dogs. Even Mocha's choke is not used for walking but for holding her tags... she pops the safety buckle of her flat collar off and then we lose that and tags. Been trying to convince parents to let me switch her to a martengale or one that does not have a safe release... would prefer THAT to get caught on something over a choker.

tnh317 · 10-29-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazi

The one that is very bloody is from a shock collar, says the dog forum it was on, actually. I've seen the other images though and have been firm in my stance that I will not use a prong or shock collar on my dogs. Even Mocha's choke is not used for walking but for holding her tags... she pops the safety buckle of her flat collar off and then we lose that and tags. Been trying to convince parents to let me switch her to a martengale or one that does not have a safe release... would prefer THAT to get caught on something over a choker.

For what it's worth, these sorts of injuries are not that different from those that can happen with any type of collar. Plain old flat collars can end up embedded in a dog's neck too -- the problem isn't the collars, it's the people using / abusing them.

Jazi · 10-29-2012, 01:28 PM

A flat collar doesn't get embedded in a dog's neck by spikes, nor does it do so via necrosis unless it is never once removed or resized, nor does it use pain or lack of oxygen to control a dog. Mocha keeps her flat collar on for weeks-months at a time now that she's fully grown and aside from the fur being squished (which, if we really wanted to, leaving it off when she blows her coat would fix) nothing else has happened to her neck. The only instance of a flat collar damaging a dog's neck outside of the three situations I just specified that I've ever heard of is chemical burns/allergic reactions. To me, a flat collar is the safest method out of all of them.

Those who use adverse/compulsion collars are fine to use them, but I do not plan to.

Matt Vandart · 10-29-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tnh317

For what it's worth, these sorts of injuries are not that different from those that can happen with any type of collar. Plain old flat collars can end up embedded in a dog's neck too -- the problem isn't the collars, it's the people using / abusing them.

Which is exactly what I said.

Fact of the matter is I would guess the vast majority of users do not know how to:
Introduce a prong collar
When it is best/necessary to introduce a prong collar
Use a prong collar properly
Or what a prong collar is actually for shich is not for walking your dog IMO.

Dog re activeness should be dealt with in controlled situations, a walk in the park is not one of these.
Dealing with dog reactivity with a prong collar should be done by training the dog first then proofing the dog with a prong if necessary.
I have treated numerous dog reactive dogs without the use of a prong, it can be done, but that is not to say I totally disagree with the use of prongs for this purpose.

What I disagree with is the way any old monkey can go and get one and just slap it on the dog and start yanking away, with no counter-conditioning, with no desensitisation just pure unadulterated aversion and positive punishment. It is just wrong.

tnh317 · 10-29-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazi

A flat collar doesn't get embedded in a dog's neck by spikes, nor does it do so via necrosis unless it is never once removed or resized, nor does it use pain or lack of oxygen to control a dog. Mocha keeps her flat collar on for weeks-months at a time now that she's fully grown and aside from the fur being squished (which, if we really wanted to, leaving it off when she blows her coat would fix) nothing else has happened to her neck. The only instance of a flat collar damaging a dog's neck outside of the three situations I just specified that I've ever heard of is chemical burns/allergic reactions. To me, a flat collar is the safest method out of all of them.

Those who use adverse/compulsion collars are fine to use them, but I do not plan to.

I don't see where I said that appropriate use of a flat collar results in injury, only that they too can result in similar injuries. Your examples of how that happens with a flat collar was the point of my post, collar injuries are the result of MISUSE or ABUSE, and that it's the person and not the collar that is responsible.

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Originally Posted by Matt Vandart

Which is exactly what I said.

Fact of the matter is I would guess the vast majority of users do not know how to:
Introduce a prong collar
When it is best/necessary to introduce a prong collar
Use a prong collar properly
Or what a prong collar is actually for shich is not for walking your dog IMO.

Dog re activeness should be dealt with in controlled situations, a walk in the park is not one of these.
Dealing with dog reactivity with a prong collar should be done by training the dog first then proofing the dog with a prong if necessary.
I have treated numerous dog reactive dogs without the use of a prong, it can be done, but that is not to say I totally disagree with the use of prongs for this purpose.

What I disagree with is the way any old monkey can go and get one and just slap it on the dog and start yanking away, with no counter-conditioning, with no desensitisation just pure unadulterated aversion and positive punishment. It is just wrong.

And you also said the images you posted were damage that was the result of a dog lunging while on a prong collar. Your statement implied that some poor unsuspecting soul taking his dog for a walk and using a prong collar is going to end up with a dog with puncture wounds at best, or a dog with his neck ripped apart at worst, should his dog lunge for a squirrel, another dog, etc.