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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-17-2017, 04:35 PM Thread Starter
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My girl is 4 years old and has always had issues with anyone taking things from her. Specifically, if she gets a hold of something like food, a napkin, something from the trash...pretty much anything she knows she is not suppose to have, you cannot take it from her without getting bit by her. so, last night she got a hold of some napkins that were used and I tried to pick one up that was in front of her saying, "no" and she growled and bit me on the arm. It's the front teeth sort of bite. She has never done this to me before, but has to my sons and husband. She is my love and so I was pretty upset that she did it to me and also afraid that if she got a hold of something dangerous or harmful to her I wouldn't be able to get it away from her. She is amazing in so many ways and I love her so much, but she is so stubborn, wants it her way, and gets so defensive.

So, is it too late to train her or break her of this behavior? any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated!
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Did you get your girl as a puppy, or full grown (history ?) ?

Re. - She has never done this to me before, but has to my sons and husband.
She is my love and so I was pretty upset that she did it to me...


^^ This dobe needed rules & boundaries training, 4 years ago / when problem was very easy to fix.
Now that Mom got bit, time to resolve issue.

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Sounds like resource guarding to me. Have you ever worked on trading?


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What Rosemary said ^^^^^.

The sounds (from the little info that you provided) like classic "resource guarding". Since I have absolutely no hands on experience with this, my only comment is to do some research and keep asking questions.

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Try trading items you want her to give you for a really good treat small piece of chicken, hot dog something she usually does not get. Then teach "Drop IT' and the " Leave It command" then Mom will not get bit . Of course this will not happen over night takes time for a dog to learn a new behavior just be consistent with her your new way of doing things will take a little while for her to understand what you are wanting from her. Good Luck.
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I'm no expert trainer or anything. But when we got Zuko as a puppy, I made sure I poked my fingers into his food bowl as he ate so he learned early. My in-laws have a dog very similar to yours with guarding whatever it finds (wrapper, tissue, food) and will bite if you try to take it from him. It is very unsafe, even though he's a poodle, his bites hurt. It needs to be corrected by a professional at this point (in my opinion) and should never have been allowed to escalate this far, especially if your dog was doing this already to your husband and sons. This is not acceptable behavior. Wishing you luck that you can find a resolution to this.

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Hello,
My girl is 4 years old and has always had issues with anyone taking things from her. Specifically, if she gets a hold of something like food, a napkin, something from the trash...pretty much anything she knows she is not suppose to have, you cannot take it from her without getting bit by her. so, last night she got a hold of some napkins that were used and I tried to pick one up that was in front of her saying, "no" and she growled and bit me on the arm. It's the front teeth sort of bite. She has never done this to me before, but has to my sons and husband. She is my love and so I was pretty upset that she did it to me and also afraid that if she got a hold of something dangerous or harmful to her I wouldn't be able to get it away from her. She is amazing in so many ways and I love her so much, but she is so stubborn, wants it her way, and gets so defensive.

So, is it too late to train her or break her of this behavior? any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated!
Classic resource guarding - I recommend picking up Jean Donaldson's book, "Mine! A Practical Guide to Resource Guarding in Dogs." I'd also suggest a good, positive reinforcement trainer to work with - NOT one that uses punishment methods for this!

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I'm no expert trainer or anything. But when we got Zuko as a puppy, I made sure I poked my fingers into his food bowl as he ate so he learned early. My in-laws have a dog very similar to yours with guarding whatever it finds (wrapper, tissue, food) and will bite if you try to take it from him. It is very unsafe, even though he's a poodle, his bites hurt. It needs to be corrected by a professional at this point (in my opinion) and should never have been allowed to escalate this far, especially if your dog was doing this already to your husband and sons. This is not acceptable behavior. Wishing you luck that you can find a resolution to this.
The "putting hands in their bowl" technique is actually not what I recommend with pups...it actually can backfire pretty badly and teach them that they need to be suspicious of hands near their bowl. What I recommend instead for puppies (and actually adults, if they don't come to you as a resource guarder) is to start by just reaching toward the bowl and dropping in something "extra" - something REALLY yummy - when they are eating. Do it every time, just a little extra yummy thing. Sometimes more than once. They learn VERY quickly that a hand towards the bowl means that something AWESOME is going to happen - YAY! If you do this really consistently, it means that if you DO have to reach for the bowl to take it your dog isn't going to have a reaction of guarding, because you've put a lot of "money in the bank", so to speak, that reaching towards their bowl is a really good thing. It works VERY well. I still drop in tidbits from time to time with my dogs - they LOVE when I come towards them if they are eating, and even better if I'm reaching towards their bowl! They get very excited.
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Can you teach her a drop it / leave it command with a tennis ball or other toy? Then work on expanding it to other items? It'll probably work for paper and other less tasty items (seems like dobies love to shred paper). And for the stuff it doesn't you should listen to everyone else on the guarding behavior / trading etc.
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Thanks so much...I will get the book. You seem to understand what happened and why, So appreciative for your advice!!!
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