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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 03-20-2017, 06:02 PM Thread Starter
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I've been trying to reteach Diesel to walk properly for me on a leash. My neighbor, who has helped me teach him before, was helping me. Diesel pulls terribly and got between his legs. He tried to make him calm down but instead he growled and lunges up at him attacking his arm. He has a few puncture marks but nothing horrible. I'm still very concerned about this and don't know how to handle it. Does anyone know what could have caused it? I've definitely learned that he doesn't like someone over him. But my biggest concern is would he be a threat to my son. ?
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So you were walking him while he went between your neighbor's legs? What was he doing to "make him calm down"? Can you elaborate?
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I'm sorry. My neighbor had him by his leash. Diesel went crazy because he saw another dog. I'm not 100% sure how he got between his legs but he grabbed his harness to try to stop him. That's when he growled and lunges on his back. Then came around his front and bit his arm numerous times. I'm pretty sure it has to do with being stranded but I'm worried about how he acted.
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It's very hard to tell what happened from your description. It's possible your dog was reacting to the other dog, and because he was restrained by your neighbor, he "redirected" his aggression to her (called, appropriately, redirected aggression). Basically, when prevented from attacking the object of their aggression they redirect to the nearest possible target. It's also possible he was aggressive toward her directly, as she was a stranger restraining him. It's pretty impossible to tell without having seen what happened. Either way, I strongly recommend you enlist the services of a qualified trainer to evaluate your dog. I hope you are also paying for you neighbor's medical bills. Right now you also need to do all you can to keep people safe, since he's had what sounds like at least a level 4 bite (The Bite Scale | Dog Star Daily). If he isn't used to a basket muzzle you may want to get him used to one, and have him wear it when out of the home while you wait for an evaluation, since this seemed to be an unpredictable occurrence. There may be legal implications, too. Please call a good trainer immediately. Certified Dog Trainer Directory - CCPDT
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Thank you for your reply. just want to clarify that he wasn't trying to agressively attack another dog. He heard the dog barking a few houses down the road and wanted to go to it. The way it had seems to me is when my dog went under his legs, he does not like being straddled he got angry. I will definitely look into a behavioralist and get him evaluated. He's never an aggressive dog towards anyone.
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He's never an aggressive dog towards anyone.
I'm not trying to stir the pot, but you've just witnessed some form of aggression and are legitimately concerned about possible future incidents. (Thread title: Aggression. First post: "he growled and lunges up at him attacking his arm... would he be a threat to my son?") Saying he's never aggressive is no longer accurate. Please don't try to "walk back" your report of your dog's incident or conflate finding a "reason" for his behavior with excusing it. Meadowcat is right that it's impossible for us to know what happened without having seen it and that your best bet for advice/direction is to see a qualified trainer.
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Thank you for your reply. just want to clarify that he wasn't trying to agressively attack another dog. He heard the dog barking a few houses down the road and wanted to go to it. The way it had seems to me is when my dog went under his legs, he does not like being straddled he got angry. I will definitely look into a behavioralist and get him evaluated. He's never an aggressive dog towards anyone.
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I'm not trying to stir the pot, but you've just witnessed some form of aggression and are legitimately concerned about possible future incidents. (Thread title: Aggression. First post: "he growled and lunges up at him attacking his arm... would he be a threat to my son?") Saying he's never aggressive is no longer accurate. Please don't try to "walk back" your report of your dog's incident or conflate finding a "reason" for his behavior with excusing it. Meadowcat is right that it's impossible for us to know what happened without having seen it and that your best bet for advice/direction is to see a qualified trainer.

Sorry I worded it incorrectly...He has never shown aggression towards anyone before this. I'm not backtracking my story. I did come here for some advice but obviously some people don't know how to do that without being critical.

thank you for making me realize this is not the forum for me.
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Sorry I worded it incorrectly...He has never shown aggression towards anyone before this. I'm not backtracking my story. I did come here for some advice but obviously some people don't know how to do that without being critical.

thank you for making me realize this is not the forum for me.
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I understand that, and I thank you for your advice.
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Hey dobie_newbie

Please don't run off. There are many of us here who have dealt with canine aggression in some form or another. Myself included.

Years ago, I had a boy who was terribly aggressive toward other dogs. I was bitten twice by him when I stupidly got between him and another dog. I was young and naive at the time. 35 years later, I still have the scars where my thumb was reattached to remind me. It has never happened again. After the damage he inflicted on me, some folks were amazed that I did not have him put down.My reasoning was that the majority of the onus was on me. This was a dog who never once exhibited aggression towards anybody. It occurred to me that it was my inept handling of a dog who was potentially deadly when around other animals that created this bad experience. He was carefully controlled for the rest of his life and with admittedly quite bit of inconvenience on our part, he remained a happy healthy member of our family.

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I think the reason he acted aggressively towards your neighbour was that exact reason. My dog lets me stick my hand down his mouth to fish out stuffing, if my neighbour tried that he'd get bit for sure.

You probably need a trainer, or depending how strong you are you can just hold the leash so that there's only slack if the dog matches your pace and stays in the right position. Then go for an easy walk and just get him used to walking correctly or getting restrained. If that's too tough you can try a prong or ecollar. And if he cuts in front of you tap his hamstring a bit, an alpha dog hamstrings prey / lower pack members to control them.
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