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I have an adult doberman. I did not get him as a puppy. I got him when he was over a year old. I've only had him for a few weeks now. He gets along with everyone in the house but when it comes to training I've never seen such a stubborn dog! He knows what I want him to do but he just doesn't want to do it. I use treats and praise but he won't even come when I call him. Sometimes he'll sit if I give him a treat but not always. He just kinda does what he wants. I've tried being firm with him AND use treats. I don't want people thinking I'm a pushover. He will walk away from stuff when I get into him. He just won't do the other simple commands. Any advice would be helpful. I've only ever started out with puppies before. I have no idea how to do this with an adult dog Thanks


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Ugh. I mean he walks away when I get ON TO him. Into doesn't make sense. Lol


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are you certain he knows what you're asking of him? have you looked into training classes for both of you?
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Did you get him from a rescue or owner surrender? Have you had all medical tests and evaluations performed upon getting him a few weeks ago? Maybe he doesn't feel good and his dis-interest is health related?



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You may just be expecting too much from him after only having him a couple of weeks. It may take him a while to settle in and you don't really know how much training he has had. I would start as if he knows nothing. Try and get him into a training class and work on simple things right now like Sit, Down and Stay. Also, till his recall is better, keep him on leash so you can get him to come to you every time you call him. Lots of treats and maybe try clicker training.
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He is still very much a puppy with a puppy brain and I don't think he knows what you want of him. You haven't had him long enough. I would give him time to adjust, and sign up for a good obedience class. I use rewards in training but make sure you are using them properly. If you are getting a dog who ONLY works if they see the food, it's not being done right.

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Both of you should go to a training club. Many times the owner needs as much help as the dog.
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Ugh. I mean he walks away when I get ON TO him. Into doesn't make sense. Lol


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ON TO doesn't make sense to me either. Is this what you mean by being "firm"?
You should be positive and encouraging ONLY at this point in the relationship, or you will probably get nothing from him and have a lot of lost ground to cover.
Please get into a positive-method-based training class ASAP.
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A basic rule of thumb when it comes to dog training is that a dog will willingly move from discomfort to comfort and will not willingly move from comfort to discomfort. Meditate on this for a while.
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When I said I get onto him I didn't mean that I hit him or anything like that. I mean I tell him firmly NO when he does something like chewing on shoes or stealing food. He was surrendered to the breeder. And was checked out for health issues before I got him. I'll definitely try the leash idea. Thanks


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he should go to your vet anyway. i'd get him there soon.
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iveeinin - totally WRONG approach here, and you can forget the treats, no surprise their not working....(not the way I train anyway).

LOVE & BOND - from owners end/caregiver NEEDED...before ANY dober training can ever begin.
- cut him slack now, only then you can begin molding him / build FRIENDSHIP first, not using strong will

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- cut him slack now, only then you can begin molding him / build FRIENDSHIP first, not using strong will
I can't quite agree with this either. I would not hammer on the dog, but dogs do not think the way humans do. They need limits from the very beginning. The dog is not going to like you more because you are his buddy and let them get away with stuff, it is through getting comfort/pleasure/reward for doing things right and discomfort for doing things wrong. I would however really concentrate on the reward with direct play and physical reward. This is what will build a bond for the right reasons. What measure of discomfort depends on the dogs temperament. For some dogs this might mean a harsh word or look, for others a physical correction above their threshold is really the only way to get this across.

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You're both still getting to know each other. He's only been with you a few weeks. The first couple months with Jasmine after adopting her were exhausting lol. It took some trial and error to figure out what training methods she responded to the best.

Do you know if he's been to any training camps, puppy training classes, and the like prior to you adopting him? Jasmine had been through classes at a place by me prior to adopting her. Knowing what methods they used really helped my training with her.


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You two have not been together long enough to know each other much less work together the dog may have been taught some commands but dogs go by body language. Your body language is going to be different from the person the dog was with before the dog came to you.Need to start from scratch together learn together how do you know for sure he knows what you think he knows maybe the dog does not know.Good Luck
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You two have not been together long enough to know each other much less work together the dog may have been taught some commands but dogs go by body language. Your body language is going to be different from the person the dog was with before the dog came to you.Need to start from scratch together learn together how do you know for sure he knows what you think he knows maybe the dog does not know.Good Luck
Absolutely. Many people think their dog knows commands when often, actually they cue off telegraphing body signals. The sure way to find out is to make absolutely no movement 5 seconds before a command and then make the command. If the dog previously seemed to know the command stares at you like you are from Mars you know they were really cuing off the body language.
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You two have not been together long enough to know each other much less work together the dog may have been taught some commands but dogs go by body language. Your body language is going to be different from the person the dog was with before the dog came to you.Need to start from scratch together learn together how do you know for sure he knows what you think he knows maybe the dog does not know.Good Luck
My dobe basically goes by hand signals, and I didn't do it on purpose... it just so happens I do a different hand signal with everything I tell her. I can give her a command with no hand signal and sometimes she looks at me like "what?" (depends on the command), when I can give her a hand signal and she knows exactly what I want every time.

Anyone else can give her a command and if they say like "sit" but accidentally give the hand signal for "wave", she will wave... and then they think she is just not obeying them (or dumb lol). Then I can tell them how to do their hand and she does it perfect for them.

If I were you I would start from the beginning. This way you know that the dog does in fact know what to do, and knows your commands that go with it.
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A stubborn doberman... never... I could be mistaken, but it sounds like you are a stranger to the dog still, and you are having a hard time relating on his level.

If you've never been through handler training either in a formal class, or by a trainer you know, that is where I'd start. Some are better than others, but most of them are a very good start. It isn't perfect, but as a big box chain that you can find almost anywhere in the US (not sure where you are at), I can recommend petsmart puppy classes as being pretty good.

With a new dog, there is a time commitment for bonding before a dog will do something just out of mutual respect. I generally crate train for when I can't be home, but I try to be home as much as possible, and I literally live with new dogs and puppies on a 6 foot lead. Eat, sleep, shower, bathroom, you name it, the dog is with me. I show it where to do its business every 30 minutes at first then gradually less often, and I work on lots of petting and saying sit when the dog sits, down when the dog is down, etc. After a while, the dog will follow you anywhere you go and trust you without reservation. Then when you start teaching, the dog has a vested interest in it because of mutual respect.

Beyond that, patience. He may not understand yet, or you may just still be a stranger to him. And if you are hesitant to take a class, please just do it. It isn't a dog class, it's a handler class, and it will impact every dog you ever come in contact with for the rest of your life, not just his.
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alot of good advice has been given here. Start training with a leash in hand to stop the walking away. Got to cure that blowing you off routine. Guide a sit , treat a sit. same with downs. ok hes got it so then if he wants to eat, he earns it. if he wants to go out he earns it. You dont need physical correction this early. Make sure he knows the command and then expect it and nothing and i mean nothing happens until he gives it. set the rules , stick to them every time and make him do simple commands for everything HE wants. This is a good a good posative start
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